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I'm hoping I can post here without being flamed. I'm a member of the Thin Forum, but am not really underweight. I used to be, but I gained over 100 pounds while pregnant. I've lost a great deal of the weight I put on, but am stuck at a plateau. I'm interested in trying some type of supplement, but I'm clueless as to which kind and how much. I'm currently 5'11 and about 137 pounds, and I'm trying to get down to around 120. I stick to a low-carb high-protein diet(no sugar/white flour), and do 45 min of Pilates per day with a half hour to 45 min of cardio, usually Tae Bo or something similar. I'm also trying to incorporate free weights into my program.

If any of you have recommendations, I'd appreciate it - I've heard that a lot of supplements decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills, and I'd like to avoid that at all costs!

Thanks in advance for any advice you may have!
 
diamonddiceclay said:
lift more and do a bit less cardio
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He's got a good point there. Muscle burns fat while at rest. So if you were to start building some muscle with free weights, it would be easier to burn off fat.

I'd just like to say that 5'11" and 137 seems like a great weight ratio to me. I think you'd be much happier if you stayed in the upper 130 range but just replace fat weight with muscle weight. Get a personal trainer to monitor your body fat and weight, without letting you see your weight.
 
I currently work out at home. I don't really have many weights other than wussy little hand weights, but I'm hoping Santa will be kind this year. :D That's why I've mainly been limited to cardio.
 
I have experience in over-the-counter supplements but not AS steroids - "supplements" as they're sometimes referred to. I think MRP (meal replacement) supplements are great. Of course real food is always better, but MRP drinks are very convenient. Also, having had an eating disorder myself I know it's hard sometimes to deal with real food - the thought of preparing it and touching used to give me the willies, but I'm ok with it now.

The shakes are easy, I think they taste good, and really stay with me. I usually have one for breakfast or as a snack. A mixture I like is 1/2 envelope of Myoplex lite mixed with 1 scoop of ProLab Pure Whey protein, a squirt of flaxseed oil, water and ice cubes. It makes a big thick shake. I like the vanilla flavor because I can add other things like blueberries to change the flavor. (Blueberries/fruit etc add to the carb count.) Calorie breakdown (does not include flaxseed oil - this does have calories, I'm not sure how many, but it's the "good" EFA fat you need that helps burn body fat)

Cal - 225 fat - 2.75g carb - 16g protein - 32g

Like the other folks said, concentrate more on weights and less on cardio. As you build muscle and burn fat (building muscle makes this easier), your measurements will decrease because muscle is harder and denser than fat. You may find you don't need to lose as many pounds as you think! Find someone to bodyfat test you and gauge your progress by that (or a currently tight pair of pants), not the scale.
 
Thanks! I've tried the Myoplex bars but never the shakes - will have to give those a go. I sometimes have the Carb Solution shakes, which have 3g carbs, 12g fat, and 20g protein. They're not bad. I really appreciate the tips!
 
Actually, I meant a supplement (diet pill, etc.) that would help me burn fat, like a thermogenic or something. I do want to increase my muscle tone, but not add mass.
 
I phrased that wrong. I meant that I'd like to add muscle, decrease fat, and yet not become bulky or "ripped". I'd like to keep a lean look. I find that I've reached a plateau as far as fat loss, which is why I've been thinking about supplements.
 
No clue. I don't currently go to a gym - I work out at home, so I've had no opportunity to get it tested. I'm thinkin' it's fairly high, though. I'm not really flabby, but I have way too much junk in the trunk for my taste. I have a tiny frame (4 inch wrists), and carry all my weight in my butt. Begone, butt!

So fat loss is my main goal, I suppose.
 
Trance said:
I will definitely look into that. I've certainly been wondering.
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NO! Listen, I don't know your past, but if you've ever had any kind of disorder, then this talk of "body fat", "thermogenics", etcetera is not good. I believe eating disorders are like alcoholism: you don't want to put yourself in a place where the old habits might return.

So, forget what your bf is, please??

Anyway, see their advice for adding muscle? Less cardio, more weights. That's what I was sayin'! Muslce burns calories when you're at rest, giving you the coveted "lean look."

As far as "thermogenic supplements"--I've started a few flameapaloozas with my views on them. Any kind of "short cut" or "magic bullet" that sends your heart a-zooming strikes me as dangerous. Outside of cardio, I wouldn't artificially tinker with the heart's speedometer.
 
Trance said:
I phrased that wrong. I meant that I'd like to add muscle, decrease fat, and yet not become bulky or "ripped". I'd like to keep a lean look. I find that I've reached a plateau as far as fat loss, which is why I've been thinking about supplements.
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Um - just to let you know - you don't have to worry about "accidently" becoming "bulky" or "ripped". I have been lifting hard for 4 years and am 5'6 and size 4. And far from "bulky"....so, it's not as easy as you think to become big...

You need to lift weights and I would recommend ANY ECA stack (Stackers, Hydroxycuts, ThermogenII, Ripped Fuel, etc.....)
 
JLo said:


Um - just to let you know - you don't have to worry about "accidently" becoming "bulky" or "ripped". I have been lifting hard for 4 years and am 5'6 and size 4. And far from "bulky"....so, it's not as easy as you think to become big...

You need to lift weights and I would recommend ANY ECA stack (Stackers, Hydroxycuts, ThermogenII, Ripped Fuel, etc.....)
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Trance, the first part of that is correct. Girl, you couldn't become "bulky" if you ACTUALLY TRIED. I've been lifting my ASS OFF FOR ALMOST A YEAR and can't move from a size 2 (sometimes zero). I'm not bulky, just hard. (That's your goal, right?)

Our bodies don't produce sufficient testerone to bulk. The women you see who have managed to become "bulky" are quite often on ... well, what is this board devoted to?

The second part of her post? Yeah, like I said: The consensus here is that thermogenics are you friend. I seem to be the lone voice of dissent, but like I said: tinkering with the heart's speedometer doesn't so kosher to me. (I've had isolated experiences, years ago. VERY, VERY BAD.)

Edited to add: too many damn syllables in "testosterone" and they all sound alike. I give up trying to type that word correctly. It's testerone from now on!
 
spatterson said:
I don't use, or condone the use of, thermogenics. I would personally use AS before an ECA, in terms of safety.

I'm afraid I don't see your point on her not knowing her body fat %.
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Jeez, I could direct you to the ECA thread on the Diet Board and you can see me getting called out for my "ignorance" --what else is new?

As far as the body fat -- the mark on an eating disorder is obsession, right? Must be perfect, must be in control.

Seeking out one's bf for a person who is not prone to such things (and again I believe, these things are hard to "cure" as they are more matters of "temperament") is okay. But for one who is, next thing you know ... they're going to be checking it daily, etc.

Better she asks herself how she feels. Better she not have actual numeric statitics on her body at her disposal. Stats can be another mark of obsession. They tell anoretics: get rid of the damn scale.
 
Damn... I guess I'M obsessed.....

There are other ways to more subtly control bodyfat via supplementation besides thermos. Trance, I'll get you those links.

buksoon..... :)
 
Trance said:
I phrased that wrong. I meant that I'd like to add muscle, decrease fat, and yet not become bulky or "ripped". I'd like to keep a lean look. I find that I've reached a plateau as far as fat loss, which is why I've been thinking about supplements.
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I think she wants the Janet Jackson look;)
 
WTF!!!! YOu are that tall and you want to weigh 120lbs...thats sick!! I am 5'10 and I weigh 160...healthy and NO i am not fat..weighing 120 is way UNDER weight and not healthy for you height at all...why are you so fuckin concerned about the number on your scale??? WHO CARES!! I guarantee you have twice the amount of bodyfat that i do and I weigh almost 30lbs more than you..WOMEN seem to have no clue when it comes to this shit..being skinny is not attractive. Lean mass is attractive...it increases your metabolism and burns fat!!! DO you even eat? You are going to end up really hurting yourself in the end....osteoporosis is going to be a real concern for you. Why do you want to be 120lbs? What is the great thing about this weight? My heart really goes out to you cause if you continue in this way it can lead to serious problems for you.
 
new@gettinbig said:
WTF!!!! YOu are that tall and you want to weigh 120lbs...thats sick!! I am 5'10 and I weigh 160...healthy and NO i am not fat..weighing 120 is way UNDER weight and not healthy for you height at all...why are you so fuckin concerned about the number on your scale??? WHO CARES!! I guarantee you have twice the amount of bodyfat that i do and I weigh almost 30lbs more than you..WOMEN seem to have no clue when it comes to this shit..being skinny is not attractive. Lean mass is attractive...it increases your metabolism and burns fat!!! DO you even eat? You are going to end up really hurting yourself in the end....osteoporosis is going to be a real concern for you. Why do you want to be 120lbs? What is the great thing about this weight? My heart really goes out to you cause if you continue in this way it can lead to serious problems for you.
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I've made myself clear all along that I don't want her looking at scales, I don't want her measuring her bodyfat, I don't want her to want to lose weight. She's fine.

So I'm on the same page with you, just to make that clear.

But why shift into attack mode? Why go all "WTF" and whip out the exclamation points?

Realize that if you went out in the "real world" and said:

"I want muscles bulging outta me that can only be achieved thru manipulating my hormones with illegal substances!", most people would give you the same: "WTF" speech you gave her, would totally think you were crazy.

You even tell her what is and what is not attractive. I happen to agree with you completely, but I also know that it's opinion and subjective. A zillion guys will tell you that a muscular woman isn't attractive. Fuck 'em, right? Well isn't it then her prerogative to say: "Fuck you"????

And the health thing: yeah, if she gets thin enough for menstruation to become less, osteoporosis will be a problem. AS is not without its long-term problems either.
 
That's why I was very reluctant to post here, because I knew I'd get flamed.

New@gettinbig - I am here looking for sound advice regarding workouts and supplements. I am not here to be told how I should eat or how I should look. As an adult, I think I'm capable of deciding that for myself.

I have an extremely small frame with four inch wrists, and even though you're going to think I'm full of shit, I honestly look my best at a low weight.

It would be nice to feel that I could post here without being attacked for not wanting to be ripped. Some people are just looking for a lean look. I find excess muscle to be unattractive on me, but that's just me. I'm sure that you look fine. Everyone has their preferences, and it's unfair of you to assume that mine are "bad" or "sick" just beacause they're different, or because you caught the last Oprah.

And yes, I do eat. I also take added calcium and vitamins, and see a dcotor regularly. Thanks for your concern.

Buksoon, thanks for understanding. I'll be in touch.
 
In the same boat

I'm also dealing with an ed. I've been on a relapse for about 4-5 months...prior to that I was living a fairly ed-recovered life for around a year.

I want to move in a positive direction. I used to lift and I used to love it. I'm damn stubborn and I really want to be good to my body. It's a gift and it's the only one I'll ever have...so I want to take care of it.

I'm currently 5'7 135. I have some flab on my tummy and butt but am otherwise pretty trim. At this point I just want to toss my scale out the window and just go by how I look. I don't care if I gain weight...as long as it's muscle weight. I remember when I was swimming in high school I'd often gain 10 pounds and drop at least 1-2 jean sizes.

My body doesn't like ECAs. My heart flies and they make me kinda nervous. Not all that fun. I'm REALLY wanting to pursue a healthier lifestyle. I'd rather be coping with stress a healthy way (like lifting, running, whatever) rather than starving and hating my body all the time. Thanks for listening to me vent. Any advice on where to start in general would be appreciated. Also any articles, websites, or books that anyone would recommend would be appreciated.

Wanting to love my body again,
Katie
 
wow katie!!!!!! good for u girl!! awesome post and welcome to the boards!! its looks like ur on th track .... u know the basics........ my best advice would be to read read read the boards........ go through the threads and do searches on particular topics of interest and whatever ?'s u still have ask away. thats what we're all here for... to learn from each other. congrats on ur recovery!! visiting the forum more often will help keep u motivated!! noooo "triggers" here..... just some solid healthy bodies and attitudes. glad ur here! :)
 
Buksoon giving advice..........LOL

Now, I've seen it all. :)

I suggest you go back to the chat board before
someone tramples over you

Fonz
 
Fonz said:
Buksoon giving advice..........LOL

Now, I've seen it all. :)

I suggest you go back to the chat board before
someone tramples over you

Fonz
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And what was wrong with the advice, hmm? What waw wrong with it, ye stupidest person in cyber-space?

Was I talking to you? Did this have ANYTHING to do with you? So in other words, your ONLY contribution to this otherwise valid thread is to flame me.

GOOD JOB!
 
i'm 5'5" and between 105-110 lbs... this is my natural weight, and yes i'm underweight. i don't gain easily at all.. i was up to 112 but now i've stopped working out and i'm smaller. next week i get back on my high protein kick... i'm very much looking forward to leaning out and growing some more muscle...

i still look skinny and i'm not looking to look bodybuilding big, just much more defined and athletic... and i know when i do that by eating a more than crapload again and stuff it'll happen.

you probably won't believe it, but i still wear the same size clothes as i did then (4). and that's me in my avatar.

trance i started lifting again in feb... this is me last december when i was stressed at school and dropped 10 lbs.

and this is me more recently. i'm perhaps not the best example because i'm not as dedicated and i eat a lot of fast food... but take it for what you will.

this is me last december **bah, it's not showing up and i don't know why** maybe i'll get scrappy to post it for me tomorrow
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this is me recently (in the past couple of months)
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sickgirl.jpg
 
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Wow. Smallmovesal, you might not be where you want to be but you look so good!! That's what I want-- I want definintion. I don't want to look emaciated and skeletal....I want to look like a kick-ass diva.

I spent yesterday on this site and some of the sites posted under the sticky on this page. lol I was taking notes. It's going to be very challenging for me to start eating again...espcially as much as I need to. I've searched out cutting diet advise here and have gotten a lot of info. I think my body is going to be delighted that it's actually 1) being fed and 2) being fed healthy stuff. I have always been one to eat junk when I actually do eat.

Off to research the boards some more. I feel like a little kid as it's like I've completely forgotten what it was like to really eat normally/healthy. Pretty excited about the idea of looking like I used to when I lifted. I feel like I can probably bench like 60 right now. Oh well. Gotta start somewhere. Thanks for listening.

~Katie
 
First of all you can be lean...but being lean does not consist of eating small quanities of food and being skinny....that is being skinny NOT lean. I am not trying to attack you but if you come to this board for advice you are going to get this type of advice. I didnt say she had to be muscular and ripped...never said that. That is not easy to acheive obviously so she is not going to end up looking like a fitness chick over night. Why are you asking a bodybuilding board about supplements when you are not even providing your body w/ the proper nutrition. SUpplements are pointless if you are not even feeding your body quality food..so dont waste your money. I just get sick of seeing shit about being thin and so on...it is NOT healthy and this is not a board that supports that type of lifestyle. If you dont like it dont post on a bodybuilding board!
 
Trance,

I think it's good you are asking questions here. I think buksoon makes some good points regarding ED.

Scales and numbers can confuse you. They confuse the heck out of me- so I try not to look at them. It's really weird when the number on the scale goes up- but I'm actually smaller and my clothes are loose.

What kind of look do you like??

starfish :)
 
raina,

and experts feel free to jump in... but before you cut, build your muscle! i probably won't even need to cut because the muscle i built started to get rid of fat.... SO eat eat eat and lift lift lift... and i suspect you'll get where you want to be. :)

and thanks... i have a bit to go... damn school and training layoffs :)
 
Raina said:
Thanks. My question right now is about carb intake. Any opinions would be appreciated. :)

Kate
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check put lafunks thread..... some good info in there!

ur pretty slim so i wouldnt worry about carb rotating and such right now. read the thread and see if it helps u........

:)
 
Has anyone used Hydroxycut and had good results?

I'm a little worried about decreasing the effectiveness of my birth control pills, and I've heard that products with ephedra can do that.
 
Trance said:
Has anyone used Hydroxycut and had good results?

I'm a little worried about decreasing the effectiveness of my birth control pills, and I've heard that products with ephedra can do that.
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Trance,

Not sure if I've already mentioned this to you specifically (I know I have to others)...
If you're wanting to shed bodyfat, have you considered a non-hormonal method of birth control? The BC pill turned me into a bodyfat magnet. I gained weight in my butt and hips, where I'd never had a problem before. No matter how much I changed my diet and exercise to compensate, I could not lose bf on the Pill, and I tried various low-dose pills. Once I switched to the IUD (copper T non-hormonal IUD), that butt and hip fat went away.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. Not all women gain weight on the pill, but to some it can be a real roadblock to fat loss.
 
There is a new birth control pill out called Yasmin.

It is not supposed to cause weight gain. You might want to research it.

starfish
 
I'm a little nervous about non-hormonal birth control. I feel much safer with something that is *supposedly* 99% effective...lol...

To me, it's worth a little bloat to feel safe. But I will look into the new pill.
 
trance........ i never heard that ephedra based products effect the BC .. but that could very well be the case...... i dont know. if its any consulation i was on BC for a yr and was taking eca's .... no babies for me:) . since then i stop taking bc cause i gained 10 freakin lbs..... alllllll went to ass and hips. it took me for ever to get rid of it so never again for me!! im with u though on sticking the pill..... i would chose the pill over an IUD anyday. maybe u want to consider staying on ur pill...... taking eca but just not having sex when ur ovulating. i think thats an excellent plan and this way ur still safe ya know:)
 
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