Superdrol for 1st cycle?

[JayCT]

hey guys - new to the forums here.

I'm 26, 6'1" and 160lbs with around 8-10% bodyfat roughly.

I'm what you call a hard gainer. I'm lean and cut, yet looking to bulk this winter. Due to lack of resources (tes, d-bol) I have decided that superdrol may be the best available intro cycle for me.

I'm looking to see if anyone else has experience with superdrol.

I am somewhat worried about the side-effects and not so sure about the post-cycle therapy. The way that drol lowers HDL cholesterol levels and raises LDL levels somewhat worries me.

I hate to be vague in nature, yet I felt I had to make a starter post and take it from there after a few replies come in.

thank you in advance, Jay

 

[jacked clown]

In the words of arnold "Come with me if you want to live"....

This has nothing to do with anything but yea thats a stupid decision superdrol=bad news

 

[eliteforce]

why is superdrol bad?

 

[JohnnyWest]

do a google search for its "profile", lots and lots of information

 

[hankes64]

Superdrol is not bad. You can almost completely evade the side effects of it through a few means. You think SD is bad? Dbol is 6 times worse. SD also doesnt make you bloat or cause gyno. Superdrol is a great first cycle. I would do a 4 week cycle starting at 10mg for the first week and increase by 10mg every week until you max at 30mg. You want to use Red Rice Yeast and Celery Seed Extract for your cholesterol (celery seed extra is also in a bunch of prescriptions drugs for cholest). Also it has a low liver toxicity but you still want to run NAC with it. Superdrol will massively increase Protein synthesis so you need to consume atleast 40-60grams of protein every 60-90 minutes. SD will cause some lower back pumps but 3 grams of Taurine will do the trick. I would also use all the ancilleries I mentioned on cycle and PCT as well and perhaps 4 weeks after PCT (use RYR and Celery Seed Extract). PCT should last 4 weeks (on a 4 week cycle) and should include Rebound XT (start off at 100mg ED for week 1, then 75mg ED for week 2, 50mg ED for week 3 and 25mg ED for week four). I would also run Leane Xtreme to keep cortisol at bay. Run it ED, 1 cap upon waking and 2 pre-workout. Since LXT is a cortisol binder and not inhibitor it will only work when cortisol levels are at their highest (half life of LXT is around 3 hours). LXT isnt going to be available until january so I would suggest oral 7 OXO, it has poor bioavailability so I suggest you take 300mg if not more at the same times as LXT. Glucophase...since SD increases Protein synthesis and when you come off your synthesis isnt their anymore so glucophase will provide a major insulin spike to help ram nutrients through your muscles. I would take 2 caps post workout with 100 grams of simple sugar and about 80grams of protein NO FAT! If you have fat with gluco, you will get fat. Glucophase is ran the same as Insulin. Also if you are worried about Free Testosterone Levels you could run Activate with it also to uncouple SHGB from test but its up to you. I think thats all for now, PM me if you have any questions at all.

 

[alcibiades]

Superdrol is not bad. You can almost completely evade the side effects of it through a few means. You think SD is bad? Dbol is 6 times worse. SD also doesnt make you bloat or cause gyno. Superdrol is a great first cycle. I would do a 4 week cycle starting at 10mg for the first week and increase by 10mg every week until you max at 30mg. You want to use Red Rice Yeast and Celery Seed Extract for your cholesterol (celery seed extra is also in a bunch of prescriptions drugs for cholest). Also it has a low liver toxicity but you still want to run NAC with it. Superdrol will massively increase Protein synthesis so you need to consume atleast 40-60grams of protein every 60-90 minutes. SD will cause some lower back pumps but 3 grams of Taurine will do the trick. I would also use all the ancilleries I mentioned on cycle and PCT as well and perhaps 4 weeks after PCT (use RYR and Celery Seed Extract). PCT should last 4 weeks (on a 4 week cycle) and should include Rebound XT (start off at 100mg ED for week 1, then 75mg ED for week 2, 50mg ED for week 3 and 25mg ED for week four). I would also run Leane Xtreme to keep cortisol at bay. Run it ED, 1 cap upon waking and 2 pre-workout. Since LXT is a cortisol binder and not inhibitor it will only work when cortisol levels are at their highest (half life of LXT is around 3 hours). LXT isnt going to be available until january so I would suggest oral 7 OXO, it has poor bioavailability so I suggest you take 300mg if not more at the same times as LXT. Glucophase...since SD increases Protein synthesis and when you come off your synthesis isnt their anymore so glucophase will provide a major insulin spike to help ram nutrients through your muscles. I would take 2 caps post workout with 100 grams of simple sugar and about 80grams of protein NO FAT! If you have fat with gluco, you will get fat. Glucophase is ran the same as Insulin. Also if you are worried about Free Testosterone Levels you could run Activate with it also to uncouple SHGB from test but its up to you. I think thats all for now, PM me if you have any questions at all.

wow, that was the biggest load of crap i've heard in quite a while.

 

[hankes64]

wow, that was the biggest load of crap i've heard in quite a while.

Care to elaborate?

 

[eliteforce]

yea really, if you ruubbish someones argument/experiences at least say why

 

[shoestring]

Superdrol is not bad. You can almost completely evade the side effects of it through a few means. You think SD is bad? Dbol is 6 times worse. SD also doesnt make you bloat or cause gyno. Superdrol is a great first cycle. I would do a 4 week cycle starting at 10mg for the first week and increase by 10mg every week until you max at 30mg. You want to use Red Rice Yeast and Celery Seed Extract for your cholesterol (celery seed extra is also in a bunch of prescriptions drugs for cholest). Also it has a low liver toxicity but you still want to run NAC with it. Superdrol will massively increase Protein synthesis so you need to consume atleast 40-60grams of protein every 60-90 minutes. SD will cause some lower back pumps but 3 grams of Taurine will do the trick. I would also use all the ancilleries I mentioned on cycle and PCT as well and perhaps 4 weeks after PCT (use RYR and Celery Seed Extract). PCT should last 4 weeks (on a 4 week cycle) and should include Rebound XT (start off at 100mg ED for week 1, then 75mg ED for week 2, 50mg ED for week 3 and 25mg ED for week four). I would also run Leane Xtreme to keep cortisol at bay. Run it ED, 1 cap upon waking and 2 pre-workout. Since LXT is a cortisol binder and not inhibitor it will only work when cortisol levels are at their highest (half life of LXT is around 3 hours). LXT isnt going to be available until january so I would suggest oral 7 OXO, it has poor bioavailability so I suggest you take 300mg if not more at the same times as LXT. Glucophase...since SD increases Protein synthesis and when you come off your synthesis isnt their anymore so glucophase will provide a major insulin spike to help ram nutrients through your muscles. I would take 2 caps post workout with 100 grams of simple sugar and about 80grams of protein NO FAT! If you have fat with gluco, you will get fat. Glucophase is ran the same as Insulin. Also if you are worried about Free Testosterone Levels you could run Activate with it also to uncouple SHGB from test but its up to you. I think thats all for now, PM me if you have any questions at all.

hanke you have done your homework regarding sd. I would also say that a lot of users say 3 weeks is best for an sd cycle, as most gains happen then and the 4th week is not worth it. SD does ruin your lipid profile but the cycle is so short that it is not that big of a deal imo. Anabolic xtreme makes a liver protection product called "perfect cycle" that I would run on cycle and pct. I would also take a few grams of fish oil and flax oil on cycle and pct as well with the red rice yeast. Drink a ton of water too. I am not sure about the statement that dbol is 6 times worse than sd . SD is prolly pretty safe but the problem is we don't have any long term data on it. While on the other hand, there is a ton of long term data regarding things like test & dbol. Most people here will say that a 10 week cycle of test e 300-500mg ew (split into 2 doses) would be safer. The other point I need to make here is that you could prolly put on another 40lbs or so 100% natty. I dunno who long you have been lifting. You said you are a hard gainer, but I think you need to get your diet and training in check before using juice so you can get the most out of it. If I was you I would work hard for a couple years and get close to your genetic potential before using anything. This is the mistake most users make ( using aas before they have a good natural foundation). Just my opinion. Good luck what ever you decide to do bro. Good that you are researching first...

 

[hankes64]

I like SD for the fact it is a safer Dbol and does well with priming the body for a test cycle. Use SD or PP in the place of Dbol makes for a good cycle.

 

[shoestring]

One thing I forgot to add is that if you decide to use sd, at 160lbs I would not use any more than 20mg ed. A first cycle would look like this; week 1 @ 10mg & weeks 2-3 @ 20 mg. In fact, at 160 lbs you may not even need to go above 10mg on your first cycle. Good luck..

 

[shoestring]

I like SD for the fact it is a safer Dbol and does well with priming the body for a test cycle. Use SD or PP in the place of Dbol makes for a good cycle.

I think you need to say that sd may be safer than dbol. Or seems to be safer. We just don't know for sure. And we know even less about pp. These new compounds just don't have a long track record. It will be interesting to see how long sd is stays around UG after it is no longer availible otc. I think a lot of bros like it.

 

[pdaddy]

From what I have heard sd would be a good first cycle if you're looking to ease into the game so to speak. It would be a good way to see how you react to it. Good information Hankes, you have def. done your research. I do agree w/ showstring as well though in regards to not really knowing long term effects of this compound due to it still being so new and little studies done on it. My .02

 

[hankes64]

Yes, I do agree with you guys. All my research comes from bloodwork 4 weeks after PCT and then again a few months later (some lab rats on AM). It was typical to see your lipid and test levels recover around 3 months after the cycle. In some subjects this may be dangerous (to keep the levels this low for that amount of time) due to some pre-existing problems. Its a new compound and needs to be studied definately but from what I have gathered, it SEEMS to be safer than Dbol.

 

[JayCT]

Thanks to those with civil replies, another forum yielded far too many trolls (omg you noob wtf you'll kill your liver dumbass eat more!!!!!one)...

Hankes, I appreciate the shared knowlege, I will PM you after I have finished some further research on the PCT you advised.

My main concern is the liver damage. I do not drink at all, haven't had alcohol in the liver for 2 years, so I consider that a plus.

I am also considering having bloodwork done pre-cycle and then again post or during. Even though I am lean and eat healthy, I am aware that people are predisposed to different levels of high-density lipoprotiens. I want to my sure my HDL levels stay high enough, and my LDL levels are kept at a safe low.

I am aware that my natural potential has not yet been achieved. Please note that I am not anxious to jump into this, I am more so planning far in advance. I currently document my workouts and diet. I am currently upping my caloric intake with cytogainer, hopefully to 4k+/day. In addition to the kcal increase, I am going to start increasing the weight and lowering my reps. I traditonally enjoy body-weight training such as pullups/dips/pushups and moderate weight for 10 rep sets.

Besides the liver concern, I have read that some have experience lethargy, feeling tired with effects compared to a hangover. This worries me because feeling crappy for 3 weeks, or longer if it carries onto PCT is not worth it to me. I live a healthy lifestyle to look my best, yet also to feel great every day.

I am trying to pack on pounds before I start a cycle. A friend at my gym (who is an identical body type) just started a SD cycle and is reporting rave results. This said friend has not done his research and I am not sure if he has purchased supplements for PCT. I need to make a note of asking him next time I see him, just out of concern for his health. I do want to put muscle on naturally, yet also want to try a SD cycle just to see how my body reacts to it, hoping it can help me pack on that extra 10lbs of lean mass in certain places (shoulders) that will really help my compound movements and help me progress naturally after PCT is finished.

keep the comments coming, even if you think I should -not- do this cycle. I am open to all suggestions.

I have attempted to attach a picture to give people an idea of my body type and why I am looking for some help in packing on some mass.

thanks, Jay

 

[hankes64]

You should be fine liver wise, just use NAC ED on cycle and PCT. Your liver is very quickly regenerated after atrophy, matter of fact its the only organ that regens this fast. You will be fine, you wont get jaundice or anything. Alcohol causes more damage than SD will and most likely even Dbol will cause. As long as you take the proper precautions for Lipid levels, you will also be fine, it will even out and return to normal in about 12 weeks. Bloodwork before cycle and and again after PCT is suggestion and wise.