Sumo deads input

[perp69]

I am thinking of switching to sumo deads from conventional. They seem to be a little easier so I am thinking I may be able to improve my numbers some. They seem easier on the back and harder on the legs so I was worried about loosing some back developement if I do. Any thoughts on this is appreciated if you have experience with them.

Perp

 

[Scotsman]

The biggest gain you get from switching to sumo is the decreased range of motion. Depending on your form they won't be any easier on the back or harder on the legs than conventional. If you pull conventional with a straight back and relaly drive your hips under then you use more leg than people who do more of a straight leg dead. Conversely if you aren't really flexible you can't get into a good starting position for doing sumos and you end up still levering up with your back and not engaging your legs more. A big factor in determining whether you should do conventional or sumo is the ration of your legs. People with long femurs tend to have difficulty doing conventional pulls without levering up to clear their knees. Long femured peeps might look into sumo pulls.

Basically give them a try and see how it goes. I tried sumo for a while but am much stronger pulling conventional.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[H_T_]

i never got into them. never cared for the idea of doing less or easier work. i'd stick with the standard DL, but maybe approach them differently. i feel ill while i'm doing them, but the instant after a big pull, i never feel better....

 

[silver_shadow]

The biggest gain you get from switching to sumo is the decreased range of motion. Depending on your form they won't be any easier on the back or harder on the legs than conventional. If you pull conventional with a straight back and relaly drive your hips under then you use more leg than people who do more of a straight leg dead. Conversely if you aren't really flexible you can't get into a good starting position for doing sumos and you end up still levering up with your back and not engaging your legs more. A big factor in determining whether you should do conventional or sumo is the ration of your legs. People with long femurs tend to have difficulty doing conventional pulls without levering up to clear their knees. Long femured peeps might look into sumo pulls.

Basically give them a try and see how it goes. I tried sumo for a while but am much stronger pulling conventional.

Cheers,
Scotsman

awesome info right here.

i pull sumo style and it's really been good for me... maybe as scotsman puts it, my femurs are long relative to the other bones in my body. i feel i still get a good back workout and my hams are much stronger now. the best part for me is the lack of shearing forces on my lower back and the fact that it just feels more natural for me.

 

[st8grad]

How about snatch grip deads?

I am thinking of switching to sumo deads from conventional. They seem to be a little easier so I am thinking I may be able to improve my numbers some. They seem easier on the back and harder on the legs so I was worried about loosing some back developement if I do. Any thoughts on this is appreciated if you have experience with them.

Perp

 

[silver_shadow]

snatch grip deads will increase the ROM because he'll have to bend down more.

 

[perp69]

The biggest gain you get from switching to sumo is the decreased range of motion. Depending on your form they won't be any easier on the back or harder on the legs than conventional. If you pull conventional with a straight back and relaly drive your hips under then you use more leg than people who do more of a straight leg dead. Conversely if you aren't really flexible you can't get into a good starting position for doing sumos and you end up still levering up with your back and not engaging your legs more. A big factor in determining whether you should do conventional or sumo is the ration of your legs. People with long femurs tend to have difficulty doing conventional pulls without levering up to clear their knees. Long femured peeps might look into sumo pulls.

Basically give them a try and see how it goes. I tried sumo for a while but am much stronger pulling conventional.

Cheers,
Scotsman

I think I have enough flexibility from squatting oly style. At least that part seems easy. The only thing that seemed weird was the hands breaking over my thighs but now it is not that bad. Oh and my shins are taking a beating. Sumo does seem easier with the same weight that I pull conventional. I guess the proof in the pudding will be when I max. I am hoping sumo will help me break 600.

Perp

 

[H_T_]

snatch grip deads will increase the ROM because he'll have to bend down more.

those helped me immensely. i did them off of 100lb. plates, using 35lb. plates to load the bar. i was pulling off of the top of my foot and in an ATF SQ at the beginning.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I am thinking of switching to sumo deads from conventional. They seem to be a little easier so I am thinking I may be able to improve my numbers some. They seem easier on the back and harder on the legs so I was worried about loosing some back developement if I do. Any thoughts on this is appreciated if you have experience with them.

Perp

I don't like sumo style beacause I have relativewly weak and narrow hips, and I don't like dragging my hands across my thighs to reach lock out. I think you'll feel the movement in your hips more than if you stayed with coventional. I also think you get better back development by sticking with conventional.

 

[Scotsman]

I think I have enough flexibility from squatting oly style. At least that part seems easy. The only thing that seemed weird was the hands breaking over my thighs but now it is not that bad. Oh and my shins are taking a beating. Sumo does seem easier with the same weight that I pull conventional. I guess the proof in the pudding will be when I max. I am hoping sumo will help me break 600.

Perp

If you get a good hip drive it will sort of push the weight forward and metigate much of the hand drag. When I do sumo I only have hands in contact with my body on the lockout. Try moving your hands in as close as possible, I place mine right in the inside edge of the knurling next to the center smooth part.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Tweakle]

sumo is easier only if you've the body structure for it, as has been pointed out some leverages are better than others.

personally I find it harder, and the mental aspect of not being able to 'grunt' a lift up if your leverage isn't perfect makes it quite intimidating for max pulls.

try them see whatcha think