Suggestion for Cyclist

[deputycag]

I was referred to this forum from a cycling buddy. Basically what I am looking for is to increase my power, reduce recovery time and cut down on some body fat. Any suggestions? I have two in mind but seems impossible to find.

My Specs - 157 lbs
Body fat - 9.5% Goal of 7-8
Eat very well (6 meals a day) 60% carbs, 20% protein and 20% fat
Training approx 15-30 hours a week on the bike. Depends on training load for the week. Harder weeks is when I can use something to enhance recovery.
Current power (FTP 315 watts) looking to improve to 340 by end of year.

Hope some of you can help me reach my goals and I can contribute to your forums.

 

[nutshairy]

epogen bro

 

[deputycag]

If I could get it I would. I actually sleep in Altitude Tent (9,000-10,000'), drink lots of water to keep kidneys clean and eat lots of iron rich foods to naturally boost my Hemo.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

epo would definitely help and Equipoise would help too ,cause eq increases RBC


peace

 

[jumpmaster82]

IMO test prop and anavar is all a cyclist should need. Or even test suspension

 

[deputycag]

How about Andriol for recovering? If I can recover faster that would assist me in strength gains from more hard training and hours. Plus I prefer to not take injectable. Only oral for now.

 

[jumpmaster82]

IMO test prop and anavar is all a cyclist should need. Or even test suspension. Or eq to raise rbc

 

[Big A]

anadrol would be a terrible choice for you, you said you wanted to lose body fat, Anadrol will get you super bloated, is very harsh on the liver and is more of a strength drug more used with power lifters were excess fat doesnt matter

 

[Cal_21]

Lance is that you bro?

 

[Cal_21]

How about Andriol for recovering? If I can recover faster that would assist me in strength gains from more hard training and hours. Plus I prefer to not take injectable. Only oral for now.

Why?

I can understand why you wouldn't want to do quad or glut shots seeing as you're a cyclist. But there's plenty of options out there.

 

[billfred]

Have you tried Optygen?

I read about it in a cycling magazine and had documented performance results. I have tried and can tell the difference but not consistent enough to give you any results. It is worth a try.

Check out this website:

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/sub_cat.cfm?subcategory_id=2413

 

[maldorf]

test is the easiest way to raise your hemoglobin and hematocrit levels. Most guys that run it for a long enough period find theirs at levels that are too high and end up donating blood to get the levels back down again. A low dose test would do the job just fine. A long ester, and you would only need to inject once per week.

 

[Cal_21]

test is the easiest way to raise your hemoglobin and hematocrit levels. Most guys that run it for a long enough period find theirs at levels that are too high and end up donating blood to get the levels back down again. A low dose test would do the job just fine. A long ester, and you would only need to inject once per week.

Blood levels are much better splitting dosages. Even if it's just a half cc twice a week, it's definitely worth the slight inconvenience.

 

[jroy19]

he said andriol not anadrol

 

[eddymerckx]

I was referred to this forum from a cycling buddy. Basically what I am looking for is to increase my power, reduce recovery time and cut down on some body fat. Any suggestions? I have two in mind but seems impossible to find.

My Specs - 157 lbs
Body fat - 9.5% Goal of 7-8
Eat very well (6 meals a day) 60% carbs, 20% protein and 20% fat
Training approx 15-30 hours a week on the bike. Depends on training load for the week. Harder weeks is when I can use something to enhance recovery.
Current power (FTP 315 watts) looking to improve to 340 by end of year.

Hope some of you can help me reach my goals and I can contribute to your forums.

before you do anything you need to find out your hemocrit level. the tent should already put you b/w 50-55. the sides of levels above that are on a scale from annoying to dangerous to deadly (remember the dutch guys in the mid 90--assumed room temp in there sleep). I live at 6000 feet and train up to 10,000 in the summer--my hemocrit was at 54 last week--with very little base training this winter and the sides of secondary polycythemia (which is what you induce by such training) started to show

www.sportsci.org/encyc/drafts/Erythropoietin.doc

"Significant increases in hemoglobin and hematocrit were observed. The average hematocrit level rose from 44.5% to 49.7%. Resting blood pressure was unchanged. However, during submaximal exercise at 200 watts, the average systolic blood pressure increased from a baseline of 177 mm Hg to However, during submaximal exercise at 200 watts, the average systolic blood pressure increased from a baseline of 177 mm Hg to 191 mm Hg"

and if you are a cat 1--be careful

 

[deputycag]

before you do anything you need to find out your hemocrit level. the tent should already put you b/w 50-55. the sides of levels above that are on a scale from annoying to dangerous to deadly (remember the dutch guys in the mid 90--assumed room temp in there sleep). I live at 6000 feet and train up to 10,000 in the summer--my hemocrit was at 54 last week--with very little base training this winter and the sides of secondary polycythemia (which is what you induce by such training) started to show

www.sportsci.org/encyc/drafts/Erythropoietin.doc

"Significant increases in hemoglobin and hematocrit were observed. The average hematocrit level rose from 44.5% to 49.7%. Resting blood pressure was unchanged. However, during submaximal exercise at 200 watts, the average systolic blood pressure increased from a baseline of 177 mm Hg to However, during submaximal exercise at 200 watts, the average systolic blood pressure increased from a baseline of 177 mm Hg to 191 mm Hg"

and if you are a cat 1--be careful

My Hemocrit is around 42 now but was at 46 last year using the tent. I have not had it up close to 48. Honestly all I am really looking for is some Test boost. Something mild like Andriol should do the job. Maybe after a while I may decide to get some shots.

Question to eddymerckx, do you know what was your normal hematocrit before living and training at altitude? Just would like to know how much of an effect that type of training has had on you.

 

[deputycag]

Have you tried Optygen?

I read about it in a cycling magazine and had documented performance results. I have tried and can tell the difference but not consistent enough to give you any results. It is worth a try.

Check out this website:

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/sub_cat.cfm?subcategory_id=2413

Yes I have tried this and still using it. I am using the new OptygenHP and belive it works. The new one also has 1,000mg of Beta-Alanine that I also think it helps.

 

[DBBT]

anything supressive will work for you bro, kill two birds with one stone. Your nuts are gonna shrink so no weird feelings while chaffing on your seat.

 

[broganlikehogan]

haloplex (fluoxymesterone)

 

[perryscoon]

Lance is that you bro?

hhaahah

 

[dabuffguy]

anadrol would be a terrible choice for you, you said you wanted to lose body fat, Anadrol will get you super bloated, is very harsh on the liver and is more of a strength drug more used with power lifters were excess fat doesnt matter

Andriol = methyltestosterone, IOW oral testosterone

Anadrol = oxymetholone, IOW total shit

 

[eddymerckx]

My Hemocrit is around 42 now but was at 46 last year using the tent. I have not had it up close to 48. Honestly all I am really looking for is some Test boost. Something mild like Andriol should do the job. Maybe after a while I may decide to get some shots.

Question to eddymerckx, do you know what was your normal hematocrit before living and training at altitude? Just would like to know how much of an effect that type of training has had on you.

my normal was low 40s living and training on the east coast and high 40s living at altitude. the last level was after a 16 week cycle of 750/week tes.t and 500/week equipoise--so i saw about a 6 point leap in 4 months.

 

[GUARDIAN]

my normal was low 40s living and training on the east coast and high 40s living at altitude. the last level was after a 16 week cycle of 750/week tes.t and 500/week equipoise--so i saw about a 6 point leap in 4 months.

eddie u r home!!!!

 

[eddymerckx]

eddie u r home!!!!

hard to stay away

 

[hesnobradpitt]

hard to stay away

Kiss kiss hug hug .
What did you get me !

Brad.

 

[DidiXterra]

anadrol would be a terrible choice for you, you said you wanted to lose body fat, Anadrol will get you super bloated, is very harsh on the liver and is more of a strength drug more used with power lifters were excess fat doesnt matter

He didnt say that, he said "Andriol" ...Testocaps! Testo Undecanoate ...Hhhhh

 

[eddymerckx]

He didnt say that, he said "Andriol" ...Testocaps! Testo Undecanoate ...Hhhhh

bro the thread is almost a year old.........sorta like talking to yourself

 

[mattu3743]

couldnt somebody in his cas use winny? I hear people say winny is the runners drug

 

[eddymerckx]

couldnt somebody in his cas use winny? I hear people say winny is the runners drug

i would say no--having been a sponsored runner in another life--at least is seems that long ago and now a crazy cyclist (at 42) winny would be too harsh on the joints. the best thing for cyclists is anavar and EPO/ or equipoise and GH. the problem with the equipoise is it does help build lean mass and most cyclists are happy with their weight but they want to change the most crucial part strength-to-weight ratio or in bike geek terms power output/watts and in simple terms their aerobic capacity.

so equipoise while promoting production of EPO, thus triggering mor RBCs, also can add lean muscle, so the pros and wannabes use plain EPO (which if you are not practically under the care of a doc taking daily blood tests can be deadly--it killed a half dozen pros from Belgium a bunch of years ago.

thus, var, while also building a bit of muscle (which has more to do the workout than the impact of the var) is such strength builder it is preferred for the crucial power increase.

winny is used by sprinters--the joint problems of e.g 100 rpm for a 5 hour race for 2 days is not an issue and part of a sprinters power comes from the upper bidy/whole body so a bit if test and winny work fine...unless your name is Ben Johnson, Joiner Kersee, and so on.

test, specifically IMHO (and the inside gossip mill) halo or suspension, is what took down the US winner of the Tours de Franace a couple of years ago.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

I get sore dry knees on winni and elbows i hated running cause or it .

Brad.

 

[mattu3743]

i would say no--having been a sponsored runner in another life--at least is seems that long ago and now a crazy cyclist (at 42) winny would be too harsh on the joints. the best thing for cyclists is anavar and EPO/ or equipoise and GH. the problem with the equipoise is it does help build lean mass and most cyclists are happy with their weight but they want to change the most crucial part strength-to-weight ratio or in bike geek terms power output/watts and in simple terms their aerobic capacity.

so equipoise while promoting production of EPO, thus triggering mor RBCs, also can add lean muscle, so the pros and wannabes use plain EPO (which if you are not practically under the care of a doc taking daily blood tests can be deadly--it killed a half dozen pros from Belgium a bunch of years ago.

thus, var, while also building a bit of muscle (which has more to do the workout than the impact of the var) is such strength builder it is preferred for the crucial power increase.

winny is used by sprinters--the joint problems of e.g 100 rpm for a 5 hour race for 2 days is not an issue and part of a sprinters power comes from the upper bidy/whole body so a bit if test and winny work fine...unless your name is Ben Johnson, Joiner Kersee, and so on.

test, specifically IMHO (and the inside gossip mill) halo or suspension, is what took down the US winner of the Tours de Franace a couple of years ago.

thanks for clarifying that up for me eddy... i bet EQ is great for the off season and you would probably get hardly any water retention due to you're extreame training

 

[the_alcatraz]

I get sore dry knees on winni and elbows i hated running cause or it .

Brad.

yes, my elbows hurt when i lifted heavy on winny

 

[phArmstrong]

yay a cyclist post

 

[cycleme]

Eddy, what dosage would you suggest for offseason usage of var only? My supplier told me to use 100/mg/day, but doing my own research tells me that is way too much for cyclists.

 

[elite7777]

Eddy, what dosage would you suggest for offseason usage of var only? My supplier told me to use 100/mg/day, but doing my own research tells me that is way too much for cyclists.

Hey man, I am also a cyclist but have not used anavar. From what I have read 10/mg per day can be used for maintenance. 50 to 100/mg is for a full strength cycle. I have tried responding to some of Eddy's posts with questions also but I haven't seen him post here in months. On another note, when you are back in the build phase I would recommend that you checkout GW. It is great stuff for endurance.

 

[cycleme]

Yeah, I wish Eddy was here to help. Or just any cyclist that has actually used var that could give some info. I've read some info on it that var is no good. Others say it is. Conflicting info and not being able to get a good recommended dosage for a cylist is making me lean towards ditching the var. I don't want to kill my V02, which is a possibility (from what I've read). Regarding the GW, I've never heard of it before you mentioned it. I've done a little reading on it this morning and it sounds like it could be some good stuff. I'm just looking for something that'll help gains in the off-season, not trying to go pro. Do you have personal experience from it?

 

[elite7777]

Yea, I am on 5mg per day of GW501516. I think it is awesome stuff and great for endurance. You will notice that your HR gets lower and you power output goes up! Just what we look for.! Checkout the GW thread GW501516...post your experience - Page 13 for tons of info. As far as other gear, I tried Albuterol but didn't like it too much because it increased my HR too high during intervals. I think it would be good for mid level endurance rides but not for competition. I also think it could be used to help drop weight before racing season. I should also mention that I have found using about 35 mg (3 pumps) of Androgel test the night before a hard training or competition really helps.

 

[srfskr]

Yeah, I wish Eddy was here to help. Or just any cyclist that has actually used var that could give some info. I've read some info on it that var is no good. Others say it is. Conflicting info and not being able to get a good recommended dosage for a cylist is making me lean towards ditching the var. I don't want to kill my V02, which is a possibility (from what I've read). Regarding the GW, I've never heard of it before you mentioned it. I've done a little reading on it this morning and it sounds like it could be some good stuff. I'm just looking for something that'll help gains in the off-season, not trying to go pro. Do you have personal experience from it?

Came across this thread - am a triathlete and cyclist. Have used VAR in the past for cycling only strength gains - results were unfortunately horrendous. Strength def increased -in the gym that is. Aerobic capacity crashed. Couldn't manage to get more than 30miles into a ride and legs just died on me. I have posted good comment on Oral Turanibol which I am finding great for swim,bike and run. No aerobic impairments at all.