Substitute for test

[AMGETR]

So I'm almost positive it's the test E that was making me lose hair. The dbol, tren, and eq was all fine.

So I wanna do a hard cycle for summer, and I'm thinking 700mg tren A per week, and 600mg EQ per week, and 400mg deca per week. Problem I'm thinking might come from this is deca-dick...

Also, is deca known to be as bad on hair as is test E?

 

[shamrock11]

No deca is not bad on the hair or at least for me it isn't anyway. I know most people stack deca with test to stop deca dick, but I'm not sure about the others you have there. I'm running deca at 400mg/week alone and I am havng no problems. I think you'll be fine.

 

[galaxy]

Youll need either proviron or dostinex. PnP has a liquid cabergoline or u can use www.buy-dostinex.com Of course the proviron may cause u to lose hair also.

Have u thought of using finasteride?

 

[crazyivan]

they say u cane get the "deca dick" with tren too, never happened to me though.

 

[AMGETR]

Youll need either proviron or dostinex. PnP has a liquid cabergoline or u can use www.buy-dostinex.com Of course the proviron may cause u to lose hair also.

Have u thought of using finasteride?

Here's the weird thing. I ran test @ 500mg for about 20 weeks straight, along with EQ @ 400mg, and tren at 75mged. I had no hair problems. I was using finasteride at 1mged throughout. However, I stopped using finasteride for about a month, and kept juicing. Then the hair problems started. I got back on finasteride at 2mg a day, dropped all the drugs except test, and the hair was still falling 2-3 weeks later. I tapered the test down to 250mg a week, and kept the finasteride at 2mged. It got better. Then I dropped test completely and maintained the finasteride for another 2 weeks and the hair loss stopped.

So now I'm scared I will lose hair again. What do you suggest? You are the guy with words of wisdom.

 

[AMGETR]

Funds are not a factor at this time. So basically I'm thinking of stacking anavar/tren/eq/deca together. This would allow me to gain the highest amount of mass while getting rock hard, and getting more vascular. Yes, test would be better, but I'm scared I'll go back to losing hair :S.

 

[krishna]

My advice - don't stop the finasteride at all while on. Once the DHT and other androgens get to the follicle, there's no way to stop it (although topicals should help). It only got better for you once the existing androgens wore out on the receptors, and there were none to follow it due to recontinuing the finasteride. If you keep the 5-AR enzyme neutralized throughout the cycle, you should have better chances.

 

[AMGETR]

^ So you think that I won't have a problem if I hit test again, as long as I'm on Finasteride @ 2mg daily throughout?

 

[galaxy]

Well u didnt seem to have problems until you stopped it. At least try 250mg of test.

 

[AMGETR]

Ok. So let's help me put together a cycle. I'm thinking 12 weeks, and then 6 weeks of PCT.
Gear:
wk 1-4: sustanon @ 500mg EW
wk 1-8: tren A @100mg ED
wk 1-12: EQ @ 600mg EW
wk 1-12: deca @ 400mg EW
wk 1-12: sustanon @ 250mg EW

Ancillaries:
wk 1-18: nolvadex @ 50mg ED
wk 1-20: finasteride @ 2mg ED

PCT:
wk 13-15: hcg @ 2000i.u's M/W/F
wk 13-18: clomid @ 100mg ED

What's everyone think?

 

[azul]

Ok. So let's help me put together a cycle. I'm thinking 12 weeks, and then 6 weeks of PCT.
Gear:
wk 1-4: sustanon @ 500mg EW
wk 1-8: tren A @100mg ED
wk 1-12: EQ @ 600mg EW
wk 1-12: deca @ 400mg EW
wk 1-12: sustanon @ 250mg EW

Ancillaries:
wk 1-18: nolvadex @ 50mg ED
wk 1-20: finasteride @ 2mg ED

PCT:
wk 13-15: hcg @ 2000i.u's M/W/F
wk 13-18: clomid @ 100mg ED

What's everyone think?

Use cypionate or enanthate. I would choose either EQ or Deca. No need for that much nolva. You won't necessarily get gyno... just keep it on hand in case you do. Try 1000 IU for the HCG instead of 2000, and try starting the Clomid high and tapering it down.

There's other ways of doing it, but the above is just my humble opinion.

 

[AMGETR]

I will stay with 2000i.u's, as it does me good. The clomid is fine as well, however, why do you suggest cyp or E? Cyp from what I heard is a fast acting test, and you need to inject it daily to maintain the levels.

 

[AMGETR]

- Bump -

 

[Slyder190]

No substitute for test IMO.

 

[riverrock]

But surely test is test and Finasteride will work just as well on Test E as on any other test like Sustanon? Has anyone found that Test E breaks through Finasteride anyhow, or something?

 

[Singleton]

Hair loss kicks in after 1 month for me.

If I'm on for 1 month, and I come off. I lose my hair when I come off. It just works that way. It's delayed.

Using lots of spiro cream seems to help me out a little. at least you can block the DHT locally right at the scalp instead of systemically. And dht is good for some things. It binds to SHBG so you have more free test and it makes you horny and strong.

Some compounds are worse for some people. It varies. DBol causes such a massive hair loss that I would be bald at the end of one cycle. I've only used it for a few days and I know I can't use it anymore. Seems that s

I'm afraid to use deca for the same reason you are.

I hate hair loss but I love the test and proviron and primo, so I'm gonna just deal with the hair loss as best I can. I do a good job of dealing with it. I don't use finasteride anymore because I like DHT.

spiro cream
15% minox + azaleic acid
folligen
lasercomb
And thorough scalp washing.

 

[Dial_tone]

I second the suggestion to decrease the hcg to 1000.

 

[azul]

I will stay with 2000i.u's, as it does me good. The clomid is fine as well, however, why do you suggest cyp or E? Cyp from what I heard is a fast acting test, and you need to inject it daily to maintain the levels.

IMHO, 2000 IU is too much, but it's your body. Cypionate is not fast-acting at all. It has a half-life of 12 days. Normally, you inject it twice a week. Sustanon is simply a blend of test. Go read them both up and decide for yourself.