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Stop digging your own graves!

Tigrones

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This subject has been covered already over the past few years, but it must be highlighted over and over again - it is too damn important!

Young kids juicing at the tender age of 15, 16, 17...they come to this board searching for answers, sometimes pretending they are older, sometimes just plain open about their age. I read many posts and it is impossible to satisfy everyone, but we must try our best to educate these teenagers and warn them beforehand.

Young lads, ignorance is your biggest obstacle at this time in your lives. I already hear you say "Oh, shut the fuck up, you ain't telling me what to do, I know what I am doing. I am so cool, I am it!." I am not telling anyone what to do, but trying to warn you that your health (if not your young lives) are in danger when you play with this kind of fire.

You have no business juicing before age of 21 (at the earliest), even 23-25 to be safer. You need to push your body to the limits, let your own testosterone (which you have abundance of) do the work, train hard, eat well and rest plenty - it is as simple as that. And when you think you reached your plateau, take some time off from the gym, have fun, than come back and hit it even harder. Than do it again, and again.
I am 41 now, lifting weights for the past 20+ years, and just doing my first cycle ever. I spilled my guts on the gym floor over and over again, worked so hard as there was no tomorrow. I earned my right to jump on the roidwagon through blood and sweat and tons of patience. I packed 40 lbs of muscle in 20 years naturally. You think it took too long? I beg to differ. I am not saying to wait until you're in your 40s either, of course not, that was my personal choice.

Do yourself a favor and do it the right way. Don't cut corners and try to look for an easy way out. Be a man, do your own growing. Your body will thank you for it later in life. There is a lengthy list of health consequences if you start so early. And that is one thing in life that money cannot buy - your health. You are so young and so strong, and feel so indestructible. You think the world is at your feet. I know, I've been there. But 10 years from now you will look back and laugh at yourself - I guarantee it! You grow up the day you have the first laugh - at yourself.

You all have families and friends who need to have you around for many years to come. We are all here to help and advise, and will never tell you not to do it - just be smart about it. There is no meaning to life except the meaning man gives his life by the unfolding of his powers.
Unfold your own power step by step, set by set, rep by rep. Just like Conan the Barbarian grew slowly by pushing that huge wheel in the movie - there is a lot of symbolism in that scene.

Please don't be ignorant, listen and learn, arm yourself with knowledge. Education is progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

Good luck to you all!
 
this post scares me but is a great post bro...currnetly im 20 and have cycled 2 times but not done super high doses and plan on giving my body adequate rest inbetween each cycle...

honestly i know its hard to say as well but i think i can reach my final weight goal by the end of my next cycyle and that would be it for me and juice for a while imo


hopefully all works out.
and talk to you later..

dankdukes
 
Excellent advocation bro. I trained for 15 years before I even thought about gear. After that I learned and continue to learn!
 
A little melodramatic but still a good post... I'm not too keen on dedicating my life to bodybuilding and only put on a measly 1.5 to 2lbs of muscle per year....no offense but I cant see you training, dieting, working your ass off for 20 years and being truly dedicated the entire time and accepting a measly 1-2lbs per year gain...perhaps you were on-again / off again for awhile....


I am curious as to what health issues you are concerned about specifically? For example, I will likely do around 1-2 cycles per year, primarily anabolic (deca/eq/var with a bit of test).... no strong orals like anadrol or strong androgens like trenbelone...

I do agree though that under 21 is a little too young, perhaps under 18 is extremely too young, the main considerations being stunting growth and throwing off the maturation process perhaps by a potential long term suppression of endo-test levels...not sure about the last one though....

Just a quick note, I did put on almost 40lbs of muscle exactly natural 155-198 or so, then injured my back...spent a year trying to rehab it with no success....the phys/therapist was telling me it might be a permanent problem....I decided to try a deca/winny cycle with some test as well, and my back went from around 2% healed (after 1 year) to 85% healed (in 8 weeks)....
 
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I agree that too many take the easy way out. I dont think you have any business going anywhere near roids unless you have a minimum of 3-5 years of SERIOUS training under your belt, that includes proper nutrition as well. Otherwise you are just taking the easy way out, regardless of age
 
Frackal bro,

First, let me address the health concerns. Just like you said, for adolescents - growth halted prematurely through premature skeletal maturation and accelerated puberty changes. This means that adolescents risk remaining short the remainder of their lives if they take as before the typical adolescent growth spurt.
In addition, they run the added risk of contracting or transmitting HIV/AIDS or hepatitis, which causes serious damage to the liver. Shrinking of the testicles, reduced sperm count, infertility, baldness, development of breasts, increased risk for prostate cancer. The list goes on and on.
Now, as far my "measly 1.5 - 2 lbs of muscle per year" - it's all relative. I did not dedicate my life to bodybuilding, it was always my side hobby, it was on/off throughout these years. But when I did workout, I gave 100%. I dedicated my life to my carreer and my family. I am a husband and father and that always comes first. But the fact that I took my sweet time to gain 40 lbs of quality muscle mass works out only in my favor as I will preserve this gain for a longer time.
Don't know your age and background, but you should do fine with 1 cycle per year, unless you compete. We all have the same goal of looking bigger, leaner, stronger, the main difference is how fast do we need to get there. So yes, 20 years may seem like eternity to you, while it was very comfortable for me.
 
When youre 19 years old youre tryin to get laid, you dont want to wait until youre older. Sex drive is extremely powerful at that age.

Nothing anyone says is ever going to change that.
 
needsize said:
I agree that too many take the easy way out. I dont think you have any business going anywhere near roids unless you have a minimum of 3-5 years of SERIOUS training under your belt, that includes proper nutrition as well. Otherwise you are just taking the easy way out, regardless of age

Agreed
 
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When youre 19 years old youre tryin to get laid, you dont want to wait until youre older. Sex drive is extremely powerful at that age.

Nothing anyone says is ever going to change that.
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You lost me kid. Are you saying that you can't get laid unless you are juicing? If so, then you got a serious problem.
If you are 19, your body is overflowing with test, use it to your advantage by hitting the gym. Train hard, eat well and rest - and watch your body grow.
 
Tigrones said:
Frackal bro,

First, let me address the health concerns. Just like you said, for adolescents - growth halted prematurely through premature skeletal maturation and accelerated puberty changes. This means that adolescents risk remaining short the remainder of their lives if they take as before the typical adolescent growth spurt.
In addition, they run the added risk of contracting or transmitting HIV/AIDS or hepatitis, which causes serious damage to the liver. Shrinking of the testicles, reduced sperm count, infertility, baldness, development of breasts, increased risk for prostate cancer. The list goes on and on.
Now, as far my "measly 1.5 - 2 lbs of muscle per year" - it's all relative. I did not dedicate my life to bodybuilding, it was always my side hobby, it was on/off throughout these years. But when I did workout, I gave 100%. I dedicated my life to my carreer and my family. I am a husband and father and that always comes first. But the fact that I took my sweet time to gain 40 lbs of quality muscle mass works out only in my favor as I will preserve this gain for a longer time.
Don't know your age and background, but you should do fine with 1 cycle per year, unless you compete. We all have the same goal of looking bigger, leaner, stronger, the main difference is how fast do we need to get there. So yes, 20 years may seem like eternity to you, while it was very comfortable for me.


Bro, I agree with you for the majority...but I think that even for a teenage steroid user, especially one that reads this board, there is virtually no chance of contracting HIV/ Hepatits....as far as 'steroid' Attny Rick Collins knows, there has never been such a case reported.... We are not smackheads sharing needles in dirty underground tunnels... syringes are not that hard to find...certainly far easier than procuring steroids off the net... if a teen is going to get those, its far more likely it'd come from unprotected sex....

The baldness, breast development is all relative and can be controlled TO A DEGREE (for you kiddies)....prostate cancer, possible but still depends on the compound used...ie, anavar will not cause prostate cancer IMO... estrogen seems to be gaining a body of evidence as a causative factor from what I've read from those who follow it....


I think most of the kids that are on this board, if there are really that many, are already not fooled by the rhetoric "steroids will kill you and that's that."

I totally agree with your intent, but there are some exagerations in your post that may make a 'sharper' kid tune out...I find the truth is always best....not scaremongering "early grave."

(though note, early grave is most likely plausible with long term abuse of course)
 
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