stomach problems

[lilj888]

ok since yesterday ive been having really painful stomach problems. It feels like my stomach is burning. I have to burb alot and it usually gets more discomfortable after i eat. When i burb it kinda smells like old tuna, but i havent had tuna in a week. I even threw up last night after i ate. I was drinking the night before but this doesnt seem like something that would be associated with a hang over and it already lasting into the next day. When i woke up my stomach was alright but then i ate some food and its just goin back to were it was. Also when i eat i feel more full, i eat the same can of chili everyday i can finish it and still feel hungry, now i cant even finish it.

if it continues on ill see a doc

 

[ceo]

if it continues on ill see a doc

Best advice, and you gave it.

 

[swole]

hey bro sounds like bad heartburn

you taking any orals? i know dbol upset my acid reflux even after one tab

don't eat near bed time, and most definitely avoid alcohol

just tell a doc your problems, acid reflux and heartburn are very common

i take meds for mine, it's not a big deal as long as you treat it quick

your primary physician will send you to a gastro

 

[ceo]

hey bro sounds like bad heartburn

you taking any orals? i know dbol upset my acid reflux even after one tab

don't eat near bed time, and most definitely avoid alcohol

just tell a doc your problems, acid reflux and heartburn are very common

i take meds for mine, it's not a big deal as long as you treat it quick

your primary physician will send you to a gastro

It does sound like reflux. Hopefully no ulcer involved. Reflux can be treated and further managed with drugs (nexium, priolosec, aciphex, etc.), but you should get teh problem at the root and avoid the foods (or drinks) that cause the flares. I have to pretty much avoid wine, esp. dry wines.

I also eat my foods in a certain order, take probiotics and digestive enzymes (like bromelain to help digest red meat). I take fiber and eat plenty of veggies as well.

I used to have horrible reflux and managed it with drugs (prilosec) for quite a while. During that time I studied and learned how to manage it without drugs. Now I rarely have flares (maybe once every couple months).

 

[lilj888]

im on dbols, but ive been on them for almost 5 weeks, this is the first time of the problem. ANYTHING i eat gives me this feeling, never had this problem before.

i was thinking maybe i developed a ulcer from drinking that night. i drink occasionally, i had friends come up and visit me so we went out. I was drinking captian morgan all night.

 

[Cutiebaby]

Could be acid reflux or ulcers. Try some over the counter reducer such as prilosec OTC or another form of the likes. If after a few days that does not help you should seek a physicians advice for possible stomach, sm intestinal ulcers. avoid acidic foods such as pasta sauces, spicy foods, and such, also avoid caffeine, coffee, alcohol until you find out of OTC medications help.
If your problems persist you need to see a Dr as if it is ulcers they can get nasty, can bleed internally, and aslo can turn cancerous..not something to screw off about.

 

[lilj888]

i also think im constipated, yesterday in the afternoon i wasnt at all, but today i feel like i have to but i cant get it out

 

[gjohnson5]

i also think im constipated, yesterday in the afternoon i wasnt at all, but today i feel like i have to but i cant get it out

I would try some stool softener for that problem
Maybe a better bet would be a teaspoon of Epsom salt

I haven't heart of heartburn or acid reflux accompanied by constipation before. I would avoid OTC acid buffers (Prilosec, pepsid ac , alka seltzer , tums or anything acalcium carbonate) until that is verified by a doc. Those products buffer stomach acid which makes it harder to digest food.

 

[ceo]

I would try some stool softener for that problem
Maybe a better bet would be a teaspoon of Epsom salt

I haven't heart of heartburn or acid reflux accompanied by constipation before. I would avoid OTC acid buffers (Prilosec, pepsid ac , alka seltzer , tums or anything acalcium carbonate) until that is verified by a doc. Those products buffer stomach acid which makes it harder to digest food.

Agreed on the stool softener. Also some oil...3 or 4 tablespoons of olive oil will help get things going.

Dyspepsia and GERD can absolutely be accompanied by constipation. The two are treated concurrently often.

The drugs can be good for treatment of acute flare ups, but I do prefer a more holistic approach to long term management, as I stated in my earlier post.

Also, as I stated before, your best plan of action would be to go see your doctor.

 

[guest username]

Agree with the others. Either it's GERD, gastritis, pancreatitis, or your gallbladder.

I'm leaning toward gastritis given your recent alcohol binge. If it's gastritis, then definitely take a proton pump inhibitor (Nexium, Protonix, OTC Prilosec, etc.). For gastritis, the recommendation is to take one of those (OTC Prilosec will be the easiest to obtain) along with overlapping it with an H2 inhibitor (Zantac, Tagamet, etc.).

Usually I treat gastritis patients with double dose PPI (e.g., Prilosec one tablet every twelve hours) for 2-4 weeks and overlap the PPI with Zantac 150 mg every twelve hours for the first week since it takes about a week before a PPI starts working properly.

Some common characteristics of various pain:

- GERD - worse an hour or so after eating, worse with lying flat like at night
- pancreatitis - solid pain, usually doesn't wax and wane, worse after eating; pain typically center of stomach radiating to back
- ulcer - usually gets better with eating, only to worsen an hour after eating
- gallbladder - pain occurs after eating, worse at night (around 1 am since cholecystokinin peaks then -- causes the gallbladder to contract); pain usually epigastric or right upper quadrant and can radiate to shoulder

 

[lilj888]

Agree with the others. Either it's GERD, gastritis, pancreatitis, or your gallbladder.

I'm leaning toward gastritis given your recent alcohol binge. If it's gastritis, then definitely take a proton pump inhibitor (Nexium, Protonix, OTC Prilosec, etc.). For gastritis, the recommendation is to take one of those (OTC Prilosec will be the easiest to obtain) along with overlapping it with an H2 inhibitor (Zantac, Tagamet, etc.).

Usually I treat gastritis patients with double dose PPI (e.g., Prilosec one tablet every twelve hours) for 2-4 weeks and overlap the PPI with Zantac 150 mg every twelve hours for the first week since it takes about a week before a PPI starts working properly.

Some common characteristics of various pain:

- GERD - worse an hour or so after eating, worse with lying flat like at night
- pancreatitis - solid pain, usually doesn't wax and wane, worse after eating; pain typically center of stomach radiating to back
- ulcer - usually gets better with eating, only to worsen an hour after eating
- gallbladder - pain occurs after eating, worse at night (around 1 am since cholecystokinin peaks then -- causes the gallbladder to contract); pain usually epigastric or right upper quadrant and can radiate to shoulder

sounds like gastritis to me, if its from the alcohol would it subside on its own or become worse, i drank friday felt it saturday, today is monday its still bad but im not constipated anymore

and will takin these have any effect on the dbol im taking like making it less effective

and you are a doctor i presume?

 

[musclemom]

Little FYI for you medical types, my gluten intolerance manifested as unrelenting heartburn after eating anything with gluten (and since gluten is so freaking ubiquitous it seemed like I had heartburn after every meal) and it caused low motility (not quite the same thing as constipation but similar, instead of needing to go and can't, you just never need to go, period).

I have the "weird" version of celiac (shitting your brains out and losing weight like crazy are the expected symptoms). I have, however, met a few other people who it manifested in the same way. I'm pointing this out since treating the symptoms of heartburn and constipation or low motility without ruling out celiac or gluten intolerance is setting up your patient for a lifetime of health problems and an increased risk of bowel cancer.

Although in this guys case I think he needs to get the hell off Dbol and see how his gut feels after a few days before running to the doctor. Just because he took it for five weeks with no problems doesn't mean it can't start giving him problems. I know it seems unlikely but I do think our bodies have "limits" to what they'll put up with.

 

[gjohnson5]

Agreed on the stool softener. Also some oil...3 or 4 tablespoons of olive oil will help get things going.

Dyspepsia and GERD can absolutely be accompanied by constipation. The two are treated concurrently often.

The drugs can be good for treatment of acute flare ups, but I do prefer a more holistic approach to long term management, as I stated in my earlier post.

Also, as I stated before, your best plan of action would be to go see your doctor.

GERD can be caused by a number of issues. Gastrointestinal Reflux could be caused by eating certain food (gluten in MuscleMom's case) Some people's GERD can be aggrevated by exercise. More often then not GERD is caused by too little stomach acid, not too much. Buffering stomach acid in a case where the PH of his stomach is over 3 would make sis situation worse. Secondly I don't see how the valves of the stomach ( esophageal sphincter ) opening up in a GERD situation is related to water absorption in the intestines in a constipation case. The two are from my understanding completely separate issues.

IMHO I would not touch any OTC stomach acid buffering supplements until the problem is analyzed. Assuming you have too much stomach acid (and thus it refluxes up into the intestines) is a bad assumption

 

[Spartacus]

i was thinking maybe i developed a ulcer from drinking that night. i drink occasionally, i had friends come up and visit me so we went out. I was drinking captian morgan all night.

"...bacterium, Helicobacter pylori was cultured (isolated and grown) from these biopsies. Presently, it is accepted that this bacterial organism is the cause of both stomach and duodenal ulcers. Approximately 95% of persons with gastric ulcers, and 100% of persons with chronic gastritis have this bacterium within the stomach."
Bacteria Cause Ulcers?

H.Pylori causes most ulcers
alcohol and the other usual suspects (stress etc.) excerbate ulcers
but don't cause them

 

[gjohnson5]

"...bacterium, Helicobacter pylori was cultured (isolated and grown) from these biopsies. Presently, it is accepted that this bacterial organism is the cause of both stomach and duodenal ulcers. Approximately 95% of persons with gastric ulcers, and 100% of persons with chronic gastritis have this bacterium within the stomach."
Bacteria Cause Ulcers?

H.Pylori causes most ulcers
alcohol and the other usual suspects (stress etc.) excerbate ulcers
but don't cause them

Yes... Assuming H.Pylori is present in the mucus of his stomach lining and has gotten so bad that even stomach acid doesn't kill it... Then yes , buffering HCL and using medication is your option. Isn't H Pylori is transmitted through eating contaminated food or drinking water which has not been treated properly? But once again low stomach acid levels are probably what caused the H Pylori to grow in the first place. If the bacteria has caused gastritis , then he's had the problem for a while probably


Alot of speculation at this point. I would get verification

 

[Mavafanculo]

lilj:

you're taking dbol and went on a capt morgans drinking binge? wtf lol?

the symptoms and circumstances you describe sound like "chemical" Hepatitis - iow, your liver is temporarily inflammed and not functioning properly, and is letting you know with classic GI Hep symptoms:

indigestion, nausea, vomiting, lack of appitite, feeling of fullness. You may also find you feel tired, develop dark urine, pale feces, and yellowing of the whites of your eyes.


if you had added in some tylenol (also harsh on the liver in hi doses), you could have sneezed out your liver and visually inspected for inflamation to confirm lol.


1-drink ALOT of water,
2-get some rALA (racemic alpha lipoic acid) with biotin, 200mg 2 or 3 times a day
3-N-acetylcystiene 600mg 2x or 3x aday
4-grapeseed extract capsules 200 mg 2 or 3x a day
5-Ginger caps will help with the indigestion

and think about aborting the dbol for a bit uhtil you get over this.

2,3,and 4 above have solid studies demonstrating hepatic protection and regeneration effectiveness. (stay away from milk thistle - latest meta-studies state "couldnt demponstrate any quantitative benefit and couldnt rule out side effects).

If your symptoms dont subside in 4 or days, or you notice a persistent increasing darkening of your urine or increasing jaundice (check by pulling down lower eyelid), then get thee to a doctor.

 

[lilj888]

well i just took some zantac 150 and at first it didnt do shit, but i ate some more just now and now i dont feel as bad, i was doing pull ups tho and now my left side of my back hurts.

like mava said i was thinkin mayb it was a liver prob but my eyes and shit look fine my poop looks like a light brown today. Pee is fine. I am usually tired alot, but maybe thats just from the dbols and my insomnia lol.

 

[Spartacus]

lilj:

you're taking dbol and went on a capt morgans drinking binge? wtf lol?

the symptoms and circumstances you describe sound like "chemical" Hepatitis - iow, your liver is temporarily inflammed and not functioning properly, and is letting you know with classic GI Hep symptoms:

indigestion, nausea, vomiting, lack of appitite, feeling of fullness. You may also find you feel tired, develop dark urine, pale feces, and yellowing of the whites of your eyes.


if you had added in some tylenol (also harsh on the liver in hi doses), you could have sneezed out your liver and visually inspected for inflamation to confirm lol.


1-drink ALOT of water,
2-get some rALA (racemic alpha lipoic acid) with biotin, 200mg 2 or 3 times a day
3-N-acetylcystiene 600mg 2x or 3x aday
4-grapeseed extract capsules 200 mg 2 or 3x a day
5-Ginger caps will help with the indigestion

and think about aborting the dbol for a bit uhtil you get over this.

2,3,and 4 above have solid studies demonstrating hepatic protection and regeneration effectiveness. (stay away from milk thistle - latest meta-studies state "couldnt demponstrate any quantitative benefit and couldnt rule out side effects).

If your symptoms dont subside in 4 or days, or you notice a persistent increasing darkening of your urine or increasing jaundice (check by pulling down lower eyelid), then get thee to a doctor.

where are we going for r-ala these days?
I've been using lifeextension.org and am satisfied with their quality rep
just wondering what else
I used to use AF
I just don't trust that guy though
anymore

 

[Mavafanculo]

well i just took some zantac 150 and at first it didnt do shit, but i ate some more just now and now i dont feel as bad, i was doing pull ups tho and now my left side of my back hurts.

like mava said i was thinkin mayb it was a liver prob but my eyes and shit look fine my poop looks like a light brown today. Pee is fine. I am usually tired alot, but maybe thats just from the dbols and my insomnia lol.

the jaundice, darkened urine and pale feces would result from the inflammed livers inability to process bilirubin OVER TIME. iow, the absence of those symptoms immediately doesnt rule out liver issues. The GI symptoms come first

but in any event, as long as you're feeling better and dont progress down the symptom path you should be fine - when the insulting chemical load (in your case dbol + alcohol) gets back under your livers max, the healing begins


anyway, good luck

 

[gjohnson5]

where are we going for r-ala these days?
I've been using lifeextension.org and am satisfied with their quality rep
just wondering what else
I used to use AF
I just don't trust that guy though
anymore

Anthony Roberts (very willingly) told me they were sued by Insulow (and the FTC) for making bogus claims

 

[Spartacus]

first time with orals?
I doubt you've impaired your liver to the extent that mava suggests is possible
unless you took some tylenol
if you drink,don't even have tylenol in the house

I've been having some GI issues myself the past couple of weeks so I'm taking in the good advice here
I'm not on oral AAS and never have or ever will
but I stress and drink and dip tobacco

 

[Metaltn]

I have GERD and take nexium with great results. Pain is gone.
I had intense stomach pain and cramps. They would get worse when I was hungry and go away after eating.
I have a strong family history of hiatal hernia and anxiety/stress so it prabably evolved from that among other things including caffeine-related supplements.

I tried OTC prilosec and that worsened the pain x10. Went to doc and was prescribed nexium and immediately pain was gone.

My suggestion, go see a gastroenterologist.

 

[Spartacus]

Anthony Roberts (very willingly) told me they were sued by Insulow (and the FTC) for making bogus claims

his product may still be good
he's just carried away with the fat loss claims etc. etc.
I use ala for liver protection and it's generally very good anti-oxidant affect

I take about a dozen anti-oxidants
but ALA was my first choice when drinking
like 250 MG's for every 2 beers

and mava is correct milk thistle's use is dubious and definitely not a herb/course of action to rely on for help against an continous assualt on the liver

 

[gjohnson5]

first time with orals?
I doubt you've impaired your liver to the extent that mava suggests is possible
unless you took some tylenol
if you drink,don't even have tylenol in the house

I've been having some GI issues myself the past couple of weeks so I'm taking in the good advice here
I'm not on oral AAS and never have or ever will
but I stress and drink and dip tobacco

I agree as well. If he took a higher dosage of acetamenaphen + drink + dbols, then yes , it could be acute liver damage situation.

I've been told SAM-E is best in those instances (which can be gotten in the grocery store) Unfortunately it's quite expensive

 

[Mavafanculo]

first time with orals?
I doubt you've impaired your liver to the extent that mava suggests is possible
unless you took some tylenol
if you drink,don't even have tylenol in the house

I've been having some GI issues myself the past couple of weeks so I'm taking in the good advice here
I'm not on oral AAS and never have or ever will
but I stress and drink and dip tobacco

dbol and/or abombs can get you to a technical "hepatitis" state (it just means an inflamation of the liver) pretty quickly - and everyones tolerence is different. Once the liver is inflamed, its function is impaired, and the symptoms above follow (1st the GI symptoms, then the bilirubin-misprocessing related symptoms, then further systemic issues).

if he was at a moderate or high dose that was just under his threashold, a nite of capt morgans would certainly send him over the edge for a bit.

hell, one night of heavy drinking WITHOUT the dbol will grossly elevate ast/alt levels in many/most individuals indicating inflamation/hepatitis. This chronic inflamation from alcohol is what eventually leads to cirohsis (sp?).

 

[Spartacus]

dbol and/or abombs can get you to a technical "hepatitis" state (it just means an inflamation of the liver) pretty quickly - and everyones tolerence is different. Once the liver is inflamed, its function is impaired, and the symptoms above follow (1st the GI symptoms, then the bilirubin-misprocessing related symptoms, then further systemic issues).

if he was at a moderate or high dose that was just under his threashold, a nite of capt morgans would certainly send him over the edge for a bit.

hell, one night of heavy drinking WITHOUT the dbol will grossly elevate ast/alt levels in many/most individuals indicating inflamation/hepatitis. This chronic inflamation from alcohol is what eventually leads to cirohsis (sp?).

you're info is very solid

 

[Mavafanculo]

you're info is very solid

and I admire your egg eating ability.

(good to see you back on lol)

 

[lilj888]

no i have taken dbols before for 6 weeks at 25mg and im doin the same now

 

[cobracock1979]

Bro post your diet!

Im correct in thinking you jave made some substantial dietary changes very recently?

 

[guest username]

sounds like gastritis to me, if its from the alcohol would it subside on its own or become worse, i drank friday felt it saturday, today is monday its still bad but im not constipated anymore

and will takin these have any effect on the dbol im taking like making it less effective

and you are a doctor i presume?

It can take 2-3 weeks to get over it sometimes. I'm not a real doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Just kidding. Yes, I'm a physician -- emergency medicine.

RE: Musclemom: There are plenty of people who present with heartburn from allergies to food. In fact, I would argue that the majority of heartburn is caused by this. However, I would think with his recent binge drinking episode, that he most likely has gastritis and not a gluten intolerance.

 

[guest username]

well i just took some zantac 150 and at first it didnt do shit, but i ate some more just now and now i dont feel as bad, i was doing pull ups tho and now my left side of my back hurts.

like mava said i was thinkin mayb it was a liver prob but my eyes and shit look fine my poop looks like a light brown today. Pee is fine. I am usually tired alot, but maybe thats just from the dbols and my insomnia lol.

Just try the Zantac and OTC Prilosec like I recommended. Continue that for a month even if you are feeling better. No caffeine, alcohol, or stimulants of any kind.

You are getting a lot of random advice on here. From experience I can tell you that you most likely have gastritis from your binge drinking. This is something we see often. You aren't "allergic" to alcohol, and it's unlikely you have Helicobactr pylori infection causing an ulcer. Gastritis is a known complication from drinking too much alcohol. It's the price we pay in our merry ways of partying.

Hepatitis usually is painless unless caused by an acute virus (e.g., hep A) or in end failure. Chances are you probably have a transaminitis just taking the AAS. If you're concerned about liver toxicity, you can purchase some N-acetylcysteine at GNC. It's the same stuff we give to patients for acetaminophen overdoses, except we give it in IV form. The oral liquid tastes like crap, but the supplements are capsules if I believe correctly. Most liver toxicity results from depletion of glutathione, which "detoxifies" the liver by cleaning up free radicals. NAC will substitute for its function.

If in doubt, go see a physician and have your LFT's checked. In fact, I would recommend anyone on AAS see a physician for LFT's and lipid profiles on a regular basis. AAS can seriously mess with your cholesterol.

Let us know how everything turns out.

 

[guest username]

I tried OTC prilosec and that worsened the pain x10. Went to doc and was prescribed nexium and immediately pain was gone.

My suggestion, go see a gastroenterologist.

Some people do tolerate different PPI's better than others. However, Prilosec is the only one available without a prescription right now.

 

[blz]

I'm an ENT resident and although I deal more with surgical issues relating to the head and neck, I've done rotations in the ER and have extensive medical knowledge from medical school.

With that said, swatdoc's advice is GOLD.

 

[STACKYD]

hey all a newb here...my bf started his first cycle he's on dbol, sust, and hgh...
3 weeks with no issues....but for the last 4 days...mister pooper aint poopin and has taken stool sofeners (up the yahoo kind )and oral.. still no action....he has constant pain in the center of his abs and in his lower back.. he refuses to see a doc (stubborn ass) and says he must fight through the pain to get the gain... lol yeah i know....i just read statdoc's thread and the pancritis just scared the shit out of me....can anyone help me on how to help my muscle man?