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Sticking yourself twice with the same needle ?

If you have a dosage that you want to spread out over two injection sites. Is it ok "sterility-wise" to put the entire dose into a single syringe and then shoot half the amount in each inection site, (assuming that you swab both sites with alchohol before injecting and you don't touch the needle to anything between injections)?

Or is this just asking for an infection to do this?
 
A needle used twice without being sterilized is not sterile.

This does not mean you will get an infection, but it certainly ups the probability.
 
yea first time i shot, i stuck the same pin in 3 times, all the way in, i almost passed out first time, second time i was shaking and almost blacked out, then I finally got the guts to give it one more try and shot it all in, this was all in about a 15min time frame
 
I did it a couple of times during my pgf2a "experiment", but wouldn't do it again; IM is riskier than SC, but I still wouldn't risk it. Plus, after drawing with a cheap ass slin pin that was 3 pokes; I could've just used a fork and squirted it in...
 
are you one of those guys who doesn't wash their hands after they poop???? use another pin, you'll be much safer down the road....
 
this is one area you don't want to skimp on bro, use a new needle everytime. Just buy a bunch of them so you aren't worried about running out.
 
If you're doing spot injections just load up two points. Why run the risk of an injection if you don't have to? Like was said earlier, points are cheap.
 
A few years ago, you used to see doctors using the same needles with different patients. Now, we're so paranoid we won't even use the same needle on ourselves?

The needle passed through your skin, which should be clean after you used alcohol on it, and into your own tissue. How is it no longer sterile? Why would it not be safe to immediately do another injection with the same needle? You see doctors do it, so it can't be that bad.
 
A dentist uses the same needle in multiple places to numb your mouth but they don't go very deep.
 
zoom said:
A few years ago, you used to see doctors using the same needles with different patients. Now, we're so paranoid we won't even use the same needle on ourselves?

The needle passed through your skin, which should be clean after you used alcohol on it, and into your own tissue. How is it no longer sterile? Why would it not be safe to immediately do another injection with the same needle? You see doctors do it, so it can't be that bad.
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The same needle with different patients was only seen with autoclavable (steam sterilizable) re-usable needles. The only exception was for US army malaria shots during wartime, which were administered into the delt using a multi-use gun, after which the patients were practically overdosed on cheap sulfa drug antibiotics (at the time, the potential to spread viral illness was poorly understood in the medical community, relative to what we know today).

Regarding using the same needle in both sites, theoretically it can be done. Notice I said THEORETICALLY. If you perfectly disinfect your skin (alcohol doesn't do this in the amount of time you swab yourself with it; using a surgical iodine-based sterilant would be far better, but it stains the skin...), and have perfectly aseptic technique with the needle, you should be fine.

HOWEVER, almost none of us perfectly disinfect our skin when we shoot.

It's like that cereal for kids, with marshmallow bits in it... Lucky Charms, I think... sure, there are lots of regular ceral bits in there and only a few marshmallows. Reach in without looking, and take a handful. Let's consider the chance of getting one or more marshmallows as being equivalent to the chance that we haven't perfectly disinfected our skin. Pretty much EVERY handful will have one or more marshmallows. Take one marshmallow out of every handful that draws one or more, and put it in your hand as you draw another handful.

Let's consider the chance of getting two marshmallows (including the one from before) represents a 30% chance of infection. Let's say three marshmallows means a 50% chance of infection, four or more is an 80% chance of infection, and five or more is 97%+.

Each time you take a handful, and it contains one or more marshmallows, take one marshmallow and add it to your next handful. Adds up kinda quick, doesn't it?

For example, something like this:
(HF = handful)
HF1 = 1 marshmallow (let’s say 10%)
HF 2 = 1 marshmallow + 1 from before = 2 marshmallows (30%)
HF 3 = 1 marshmallow + 2 from HF2 = 3 (50%)
HF 4 = 1 marshmallow + 3 from HF3 = 4 (80%)

And so on, and so forth.

Now, instead of talking handfuls and marshmallows, replace this with injections and microbial population. Sure, there's only 30% chance you get an infection from 2 shots without changing... but why not just change the pin and reduce it back to 10% or so (or likely less!).

Hope someone cares enough to read this whole thing... hate to think I wasted my time!
-M
 
i hate these threads

why would you even care?

if you are running out then order more, they take 3 days max to get there.

If you cant afford them, then your in the wrong game.

....end of storey
 
I have about 600 in my closet with an extra 500-600 1 1/2" 21G pins for drawing (about 300 of those are filter needles).

Hell I can throw 100 away and never miss them.

Oh yeah, got em real real cheap too.

The point is...why would you want to do that when pins are readily available, easy to get and cheap as hell?
 
houseofpain If you have a dosage that you want to spread out over two injection sites. Is it ok "sterility-wise" to put the entire dose into a single syringe and then shoot half the amount in each inection site, (assuming that you swab both sites with alchohol before injecting and you don't touch the needle to anything between injections)?

Or is this just asking for an infection to do this?


This is safe, as long as you do it as you outlined. What possible reason is there for it to be unsafe?
 
given the high prices of needles (10 cents each), i can totally understand why you're inclined to reuse the same needle.

also, keep in mind that the price is soon to go up to 12 cents a piece... i'm not sure i'll be able to keep up with this sport.
 
A few years ago, you used to see doctors using the same needles with different patients. Now, we're so paranoid we won't even use the same needle on ourselves?

The needle passed through your skin, which should be clean after you used alcohol on it, and into your own tissue. How is it no longer sterile? Why would it not be safe to immediately do another injection with that needle?
 
Ok, I've been thoroughly spanked for asking now...

Someone got it right, I'm running out of pins and I was just curious if I could do the double inject in a pinch. But it sounds like it's just smarter to get another batch of pins and squirrel them away in the closet.

Thanks for keeping me straight :)
 
satchboogie said:
given the high prices of needles (10 cents each), i can totally understand why you're inclined to reuse the same needle.

also, keep in mind that the price is soon to go up to 12 cents a piece... i'm not sure i'll be able to keep up with this sport.
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LMAO!!!!!!
 
put em in the baby bottle stereliser, bit duller but the gear gets in...Had to do this befor as I was running out of pins and couldnt get em delivered to my addy as my wfe was home..
 
not a good idea but after 4 years of continuous gear I've had to do it a couple times...........I boil some water and put the pin in there for like 5 mins.....I also suck up water into the syringe and shoot it out a few times to "flush" it......then put the pin on the syringe wipe the pin with rubbing alchy......swab the bottle and your skin......shoot away.....the pin is duller but just give it an xtra push..........I have NEVER had a problem with this when in a pinch.....

It happens... theres been times when I thought I had needles but I didnt and the dam pharm was closed.......I dont miss shots so I done this......

I try to buy in bulk to but SHIT HAPPENS so I figure my method above is as safe as i can get.
 
I don't see a problem with what he wants to do.

Personaly, if I inject in a muscle and aspirate and draw blood, I pull the needle out and hit a slightly diff spot...I don't change the pin though.....basicaly its the same thing he would be doing, hitting a spot, pulling it right out then sticking it in another. Not likes he's capping it and storing it for later use.
 
flex2win said:
are you one of those guys who doesn't wash their hands after they poop???? use another pin, you'll be much safer down the road....
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I only wash my hands when I shit all over them.
 
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