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Starting Winny Cycle, got some questions

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abohannon46

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I am currently running track but the season is about to end in about 3 weeks... I plan on starting my winny only cycle (6 weeks, 50mg a day, just want to gain strength, not too much bulk) During track we dont lift much, just lightly... We do some leg work, but not too much upper body work... So my question is, when i start to get back into my routine, should I start the winny, or should I start my routine for a few weeks, then start the winny? Does this make sense? IM sorry if im confusing you guys, just need some info.... Thanks for any input
 
Reality Bro!!

Well I know that your winny probably won't kick in for a couple of weeks, but you could train into the summer to get the most out of it. If this is your first cycle you should get faster at 50mgs a day. Remember to split up that 50 too! Are you in high school or college? Tabs or injectable? What is your event and times? How long have you been running track? What are your eating habits? You might want to add some test in there, preferebly suspension because you will see some results quicker than other tests. What do you mean by your routine, lifting or what?

speedy7
 
I am in high school, 18 years old, I run the 100, 200, and 400. My times are: 100 - 10.7 200 - 22.3 400 - 50.3 But in the off season, fall and winter, I like to lift and gain alot of strength, I have always wanted to get into ameatur (cant spell) Body Building but I dont think i have the genetics for it. My brother is a personal trainer and is going to set me up with a pretty good regiment after track. My typical workout is: Mon - Chest and Tri's... Tuesday - Back and Bi's.... Wednesday - Shoulders and Abs.... Thursday - Legs.... then friday and saturday I do abs and a little cardio, then sunday I relax and eat my heart out. In the off season I try to take in around 4k to 5k calories a day (of course sometimes I do fall short, everyone does, were human! lol), not to bulk up too much but to make sure i can maintain that muscle. I get up around 9, have a protein shake and take a multi vitamin, then I work out, then around 12 I will eat again, usually some white meat chicken or turkey with a tuna sandwich (water not oil), and then some fruit, apples, oranges, banana's. Then usually goto work around 1.... eat again around 3ish or 4ish, not a big meal maybe sometimes just a myo plex shake or a weight gainer shake with 10mg of creatine, then after work come home eat again around 7pm, I try to make this my biggest meal, could be ANYTHING (healthy of course, but lots of calories, lots of protein and low carbs.) And of course I drink about a gallon of water a day. This is just what I have done in tha past and hope to get back into this summer. I have been lifting for about 5 years solid (yes yes I know, I started when I was in junior high and that may not seem like much but Weights became my life and I loved it, i always used perfect form, even when people where lifting more than me, because now I lift more than them :) ) I have been running track my entire life also, and the I am getting is tabs, not sure if it's IP yet, I will find out for you guys... Sorry about the long post, but if you guys could look over my workout/traning regiment, and flame me for something im doing wrong :D I would be grateful, better to learn from the best and get flamed than to keep doing it wrong and get hurt.

Thanks a ton guys!
 
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How about this?

Your training schedule looks good. Great that you weren't pressured into lifting heavy weights with bad form, that will get you a long way. BTW you said that your carb intake is low. If that is the case you might want to try eating more good fats or you could eat more carbs, either way you need energy for your workouts from either one. Your protein will heal you remember, but you need fuel! If this is your first cycle the winny should be sufficient. Some hardcore guys on this board will say you need more, but if your fresh you will have more effects off of your 50mgs a day compared to the juicers that have many cycles under their belt. To benefit the most you should gradually build up your AS cycles. Anyway, you should be able to find a college that will give you some scholarship for those times. If you are running those times now and you haven't peaked this year then there is no telling how fast you'll get. You Will get faster though. I know some college track guys and they enjoy suspension. They have to time it up when the NCAA comes to test them though so their TE ratios aren't too high. Hope some of this helps. You may have the potential to run 10 low by the end of college if you stay focused. Look at Donovan Bailey, he only ran like a 11 something in high school. I'm sure he had some good gear and focus to acheive a 9.85 in the hundred. Get excited, but also remember that your results will be different then everybody else. Anything else feel free to ask, I might be able to help.
Oh ya, you might want to change up your weight training split. Legs hard on Monday after a hard workout
There is a good book to read too. Its called Sports Speed. Well, later.
 
Build up?

What do you mean gradually build up? Like when I first start my cycle, start with 30mg a day for a week, then 40mg a day for a week, then 50 mg?
 
abohannon46 said:
I am in high school, 18 years old, I run the 100, 200, and 400. My times are: 100 - 10.7 200 - 22.3 400 - 50.3 But in the off season, fall and winter, I like to lift and gain alot of strength, I have always wanted to get into ameatur (cant spell) Body Building but I dont think i have the genetics for it. My brother is a personal trainer and is going to set me up with a pretty good regiment after track. My typical workout is: Mon - Chest and Tri's... Tuesday - Back and Bi's.... Wednesday - Shoulders and Abs.... Thursday - Legs.... then friday and saturday I do abs and a little cardio, then sunday I relax and eat my heart out. In the off season I try to take in around 4k to 5k calories a day (of course sometimes I do fall short, everyone does, were human! lol), not to bulk up too much but to make sure i can maintain that muscle. I get up around 9, have a protein shake and take a multi vitamin, then I work out, then around 12 I will eat again, usually some white meat chicken or turkey with a tuna sandwich (water not oil), and then some fruit, apples, oranges, banana's. Then usually goto work around 1.... eat again around 3ish or 4ish, not a big meal maybe sometimes just a myo plex shake or a weight gainer shake with 10mg of creatine, then after work come home eat again around 7pm, I try to make this my biggest meal, could be ANYTHING (healthy of course, but lots of calories, lots of protein and low carbs.) And of course I drink about a gallon of water a day. This is just what I have done in tha past and hope to get back into this summer. I have been lifting for about 5 years solid (yes yes I know, I started when I was in junior high and that may not seem like much but Weights became my life and I loved it, i always used perfect form, even when people where lifting more than me, because now I lift more than them :) ) I have been running track my entire life also, and the I am getting is tabs, not sure if it's IP yet, I will find out for you guys... Sorry about the long post, but if you guys could look over my workout/traning regiment, and flame me for something im doing wrong :D I would be grateful, better to learn from the best and get flamed than to keep doing it wrong and get hurt.

Thanks a ton guys!
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IMO - I think that your diet, training and drive for the sport, is right on target. I also think that you are too young to start up taking any type of drugs right now. This is the time in your life when your test levels are at there highest. I would suggest that you try adding more protein to your diet, a good multi vitamin, glutamine and creatine, and see what that does for you. I understand the eagerness, but I think that starting gear this early on is a mistake. I am 27 and didn't even consider using gear until about 6 months ago. I also think that starting off on 50mg / day is a bit much especially if you have never taken anything before. Just my $.02!! Good luck and keep up the training!
 
Gear

If I dont decide to get my Winstrol, what are some good supplements to buy? What should I look for in protein shakes, Creatine, etc... Dunno if I am making sense. Before I was taking HMB with my creatine, and a good protein shake. What could I take to increase my strength (tried andro, that shit is over rated)
 
I would look for Protein shakes that have a good amount of protein per serving (per scoop), just take the normal creatine, never tried HMB! As far as increasing strength, I think the best thing is time, with all the running that you do it would be hard to increase your strength extremely fast without taking something. And I am with you, Andro products suck!!!
 
How about Glutamine? Read some about this but dont know too much about it... Do you think if i did a six week cycle of winstrol, it would affect me that much?
 
Re: Build up?

abohannon46 said:
What do you mean gradually build up? Like when I first start my cycle, start with 30mg a day for a week, then 40mg a day for a week, then 50 mg?
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Bro I thought it was pretty easy to understand. Gradually build up the each cycle you do with AS. So your first cycle may be 6-8 weeks of winny only then the next cycle you do is Anavar and Suspension. Then on the third cycle you add a lttile more. I'd say start your second cycle with the same as the first. The slower the better.You do not need to take that much to have tremendous results. BTW 6 weeks would be worth it, but 8 would be even better. If you are going to college to run track I would suggest taking that winny and training your butt off until your done the 6-8 week cycle. If you hook up with the right college your looking at scholarship money and therefore are making an investment by taking the winny because it will make you faster and faster means more money. If I were you I would take the Glutamine, it is good for recovery. When you take the winny and your joints are sore, grab some Glucosamine/Chondroiton at a vitaman store. So definitely take the winny dude. You will be able to tell a difference after 3 weeks for sure if you are taking 50mg a day.
Later
 
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Try to add a little muscle to the entire body bro and especially legs. I remember what Ben Johnson used to look like prior to his winny ...he was skinny. the extra muscle really made him the worlds fastest man. Also Lingford Christy added quite a chunk of mass and his times went through the roof!
 
way2rude4u said:


IMO - I think that your diet, training and drive for the sport, is right on target. I also think that you are too young to start up taking any type of drugs right now. This is the time in your life when your test levels are at there highest. I would suggest that you try adding more protein to your diet, a good multi vitamin, glutamine and creatine, and see what that does for you. I understand the eagerness, but I think that starting gear this early on is a mistake. I am 27 and didn't even consider using gear until about 6 months ago. I also think that starting off on 50mg / day is a bit much especially if you have never taken anything before. Just my $.02!! Good luck and keep up the training!
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I'd like to disagree with this statement. I'm not trying to shoot you down way2rude4u. Most of the elite track sprinters were on gear in high school. In this sport if you want to compete with the rest or earn yourself the highest possible scholarship, sprinting without gear is not a wise decision. It is an investment to stay debt free or at least as low as possible. This kid will have 4 years to get as fast as he can. And you never know how good he'll get either. Genetics will only get you so far, then you have to take advantage of the oppurtunities while they last. Even if he never goes pro in sprinting he could lower the cost of college. Sounds like he is interested in BB too. After college he can develop a good base for a couple of years naturally and then start up again. The choice is up to him though. I liked what you said about getting more protein. That is clutch. 1-2 grams per pound of lean muscle is ideal so pound the tuna, chicken and protein shakes. Your diet, I think is the most important part of a training regimen. Anyway just my $.02!
 
Thank you guys a TON! You guys have helped sooo much. So this is what I am going to do this summer (in about 5 weeks). Start my training regiment (diet, lifting) go about 2 weeks off the winny until i get back my base... then start my winny cycle of about 50mg ED (or EOD, if you guys think that would be better) for 6-8 weeks. Get on Glutamine, Creatine, A high protein shake, and possibly weight gainer (depends, I may take this one out). then after my cycle, I will start off season conditioning for track, then after my rest period go on winny again, maybe with some test, or suspension and then go into the track season. Should I stay on during track or no? Would the muslce I build be sufficient enough to last all track season or would i still need to be on a cycle? Cuz during track I neglect my diet, well not NEGLECT but i dont eat AS much and dont lift AS hard cuz you dont need to put on mass.... Thanks a TON for the input guys... tell me what you think of my plan and I will be set to go! thanks again! Karma for every1 ! lol
 
Some advice!

Don't take a break off your winny, there is no need to go a couple of weeks then go off. You would just be wasting you money. Instead go on you winny right away and get as fast as you can in the 100 and 200. Do the full 8 weeks cycle of winny. After a few weeks your track season will be over, but try to go to some invitational meets and still train hard for the 8 week cycle and even up to 10 weeks. then take a break for about half to a full month (just lifting no running). Don't lift too hard just maintenance. Then around mid July you'll need to start running again. Don't worry about lifting too heavy just yet. When you get to college, start lifting hard again. Your coach will give you a good training program. Make sure your not taking any AS(Anabolic Steriods) ie, winny, prop, etc about a 4 weeks before you go to college. You are going to college right? Anyway, once the NCAA comes to you college for testing then you can start a cycle of whatever you want to get you base. Your going to have to learn a bit more if your going to college bro. anyway, i gotta go
 
Thats why I am here =) Naw I got a whole 'nother year of high school, what I usually do is lift heavy in the off season, put on alot of muscle (because of my genetic makeup, I cant get HUGE, but i get unbelievably cut, its awesome) So what I am saying is... I wont get the winny for about a week, so I was going to wait until this season is over (by the time i get my Winny, it wont have time to make me any faster, cuz i would only have 2 more weeks left of track) so what I was going to do is: Wait till summer, lift for a couple weeks to get my base back (lifting that is, gain my upper body strength back a little bit, then start my 8 week cycle during the summer.... Sound good? How long should I go off the Winny after my cycle??
 
Oh O.K

Well since you have a whole year left of high school your laughing buddy. You don't get tested in high school. If your running 10.7 electronic time then you should easily go 10.4 to 10.3 for your final year of H.S. Ya, when your season is over take a few weeks off and lift light. Then you can start your winny cycle-8 weeks. When your done the 8 weeks take some time off. Its up to you but I would start your second cycle of winny 6 weeks before your indoor season if you have one. At that time I would add some type of test. You might want to try propinate because its not as painful as suspension. Your going to be nervous as hell when you first inject yourself. I had an experienced buddy inject me the first few times and then I took over. Its a good way to get you going. I wasn't nervous at all, I was so pumped to take it. Since you get cut pretty easy you don't need to worry about anavar or clenbuterol, just stick with winny and test and you'll be set for the year. When outdoor comes next year 2003, start your 8 weeks cycle so that it ends two weeks before your last meet. You'll probably be going to states and do well if not win, depending on your division and state. Wait, you should go to states this year right? Anyway, your on your way to some unbelievable gains. Keep that focus, watch the boards and learn a lot cuz it will prove a great help in college. I'm impressed with your times even if they are hand time. You better keep us updated throughout your training o.k! Don't skimp on your carbs and good fats like MCT's (Medium Chain Triglycerides). Most important, have fun and kick some ass.

speedy7
 
Thanks a shit load speedy, man I would give you some more karma but I already gave you some! haha, Hey would you mind if I grabbed your email address? Just to keep in touch if I got any small questions? And to let you know how my season is doing? If not thats cool, just thought since you knew what you were tlaking about, I would stay in touch so I dont stray off lol. Anyways thanks a bunch man!
 
hey ahb how much you going to take a day? if its 25mg ed then take 12.5 twice a day if you want tot take it before your lifting or running then liek an hour before and then 12 hours after that take the other half give me som karma bro :-) BTW when are you going to start the winny cycle? i plan tostart mine in 3 weeks but i want to do it first to see how good it works for you what brand you taking?
 
I am starting mine in 5 weeks, friend of mine is on winstrol so he's gonna get me some, he told me to take two tabs a day for eight weeks, i havent recieved it yet... But I would guess they are 25mg a peice... if im suppose to take 2 a day.... So what I plan to do is: Up at 8:00 - Eat Oatmeal, Protein Shake, and one tabe... then around 10:00 lift, then at like 6:00 or sometime in the early evening, take the other pill... IP only makes 50mg tabs right?
 
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