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want2bhot

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Ok, I have been dieting working out religously for about 6 months, hardcore....
I've actually been working out most of my life...But, I mean I am hardcore, like losing fat, and gaining muscle....I have been taking some supplements, and I think I need to step it up a notch...I am currently taking Redline, made by VPX....

I was wanting some suggestions for a good fat burn supplement, or even a stack that I can try.....
 
I personally do not think you need any fatburners at this point, a good clean diet and proper training program will drop your bodyfat.


So the question of the day is... What are you eating? And how are you training?
 
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Miss24k said:
I personally do not think you need any fatburners at this point, a good clean diet and proper training program and drop your bodyfat.


So the question of the day is... What are you eating? And how are you training?


yep....



Step 1 - diet and weights

Step 2 - #1 plus cardio

Step 3 - then fat burners
 
If I remember correctly your cals were low and Quadsweep's Sis suggested a basic diet... did you ever follow that?

Whatcha eatin girl ?

I agree with m24k... Provide a sample diet & your training split and lets have a looksy :)
 
Thanks Gals....I appreciate the input...

I guess I am where I want it to come off faster, and so I want to help it along...


The Shadow said:
yep....



Step 1 - diet and weights

Step 2 - #1 plus cardio

Step 3 - then fat burners
 
want2bhot said:
I guess I am where I want it to come off faster, and so I want to help it along...

haha girl and we have all been at that point.

But adding fat burners and not eating well isn't going to do it. Diet is key with "changing" our bodies.
 
Hey Bunny, nice to hear from you again...Yes I am totally following that.....I am sticking to the plan...here is a sample day...

0700 2.5 ml Redline

0830 - 1/2 cup cream of wheat (plain)
1/2 cup cottage cheese (lowfat) w/1/2 fresh strawberries & grapes
6oz. coffee w/ some cream sweet and low
1130 - 6 oz. Chicken breast grilled
mixed green salad about 2 cups.
1/4 kidney beans
Rice vinegar dressing.
16 oz water

1430 - 12 oz Protein Shake (EAS) made w/water
sm. green apple

1730 - 12 oz Protein Shake (EAS) made w/water
sm. green apple

2030 - 6 oz. Chicken breast grilled
mixed green salad about 2 cups.
1/4 kidney beans
Rice vinegar dressing.
16 oz water

This is one day, all my other days are about the same, I don't usually do protein shakes back to back, but between work and getting home and getting to gym, I drink a quick shake and it keeps me going....Then I come home and start working on my last meal.

I switch it up from chicken to tuna, or grilled steak or something, but its around this type of diet...Oh, I have another 2.5 mls of Redline pre-workout. :qt:


*Bunny* said:
If I remember correctly your cals were low and Quadsweep's Sis suggested a basic diet... did you ever follow that?

Whatcha eatin girl ?

I agree with m24k... Provide a sample diet & your training split and lets have a looksy :)
 
What time do you train at? And what are you doing for training (weights and cardio)

How much do you weigh? I think you said your bodyfat is at 30%?

How long have you been following this diet?
 
I do like an everyother day cycle. One on One off. On off days I do cardio..

Sunday - I do am 1 hour cardio
1/2 hour eliptical @ level 5 go up to a 8.
1/2 hour treadmill at a level 10 incline for 15 minutes and then down in increments to finish off 30 minutes.

Then I go back in afternoon and do weights...
Chest and Biceps

Mon - Cardio routines
Tues - Back and Triceps
Weds - Cardio routine
Thurs - Shoulders and calves
Fri - cardio ( or take day off)
Sat - Legs

Then I start over.....I mean this is scheduled, but sometimes I take a day off here and there but pretty much this is it....As far as my weight, I am huge...I feel like my clothes are falling off of me, but the scale is a bitch....I haven't weighed myself in about a month but I was 190 lbs...I started crying.....I've been following this diet or something similar to it for about 6 months...I give myself a cheat day now, before I would just give myself a cheat bite here and there...I stopped that and stick to one day, I don't even crave a cheat day anymore...isn't that weird. ;)

Miss24k said:
What time do you train at? And what are you doing for training (weights and cardio)

How much do you weigh? I think you said your bodyfat is at 30%?

How long have you been following this diet?
 
Are you doing lighter weight and higher reps? Or heavier weight and less reps?.....how many sets of each exercise are you doing and how many different exercises for each body part per training session?
 
want2bhot said:
I do like an everyother day cycle. One on One off. On off days I do cardio..

Sunday - I do am 1 hour cardio
1/2 hour eliptical @ level 5 go up to a 8.
1/2 hour treadmill at a level 10 incline for 15 minutes and then down in increments to finish off 30 minutes.

Then I go back in afternoon and do weights...
Chest and Biceps

Mon - Cardio routines
Tues - Back and Triceps
Weds - Cardio routine
Thurs - Shoulders and calves
Fri - cardio ( or take day off)
Sat - Legs

Then I start over.....I mean this is scheduled, but sometimes I take a day off here and there but pretty much this is it....As far as my weight, I am huge...I feel like my clothes are falling off of me, but the scale is a bitch....I haven't weighed myself in about a month but I was 190 lbs...I started crying.....I've been following this diet or something similar to it for about 6 months...I give myself a cheat day now, before I would just give myself a cheat bite here and there...I stopped that and stick to one day, I don't even crave a cheat day anymore...isn't that weird. ;)
If you been doing this for about 6 months, I would suggest shakin' things up, changing up the diet and finding a new workout split.

Are you doing any HIIT for your cardio? That in itself should jump start the fat burning a little bit better :)

Scales are deceptive ... try not to let this # define you.

Per Sassy... "Weight is just a measure of the earth's gravitational attraction to you as an object on it's surface. It is one data point in quantifying your physical existence, but WHAT MAKES UP THAT WEIGHT is more important. You are made up of lean muscle mass and bodyfat. Getting "lean and toned up" is the result of how the two work together. Bodyfat is only half of it...."
 
want2bhot said:
As far as my weight, I am huge...I feel like my clothes are falling off of me, but the scale is a bitch....I haven't weighed myself in about a month but I was 190 lbs...I started crying.....

Don't worrry about the scale! I started at 148 lbs, and 33% bodyfat. Today, months later, I am ONLY down to 141, but my bodyfat is down to 22%. It equates to a loss of 17 lbs of fat and a gain of 10 lbs of lean muscle. I would have been VERY discouraged if I only went by weight! Go by how your clothes feel and your bodyfat!
 
OK her goes...Sorry if this is long, but you want to know my exercises..I don't have my log with me, so I am going by memory...
(r=reps, w=weight)
Chest
Bench - 20r x 20w, 15r x 25w, 12r x 30w
Incline - 20r x 15w, 15r x 20w, 12r x 25w
dips - machine assisted at 160w x 15r, 150w x 12r, 140w x 10r
rotary flies - 25w x 20r, 30w x 15r, 35w x 12r

Biceps
Preacher - 20r x 20w, 15r x 25w, 12r x 30w
hammer curls (db's) 15lbx15r each arm, x3 sets
Concentration curls - 15w to failure (usually 12-15 reps) x3 sets each side

Back
Lat Pulldowns
50w x 20r, 60w x 15r, 70w x 12r
low row machine
20w x 20r, 25w x 15, 30w x 12r
Pull ups
160w x 15r, 160w x 15r, 160w x 15r
Bent over rows on smith machine
20w x 20, 25w x 15, 30w x 12

Triceps
Cable pulldown
20w x 20r, 30w x 15r, 40w x 12r
Overhead extensions
20w x 20r (x3 sets of same)

Shoulders
Shoulder press
25w x 20r, 35w x 15, 45w x 12
Lat raise
15w x 20r, 20w x 15r, 25w x 10-12r
reverse deltoid
30w x 20r, 45w x 15r, 60w x 12r
DB front raises
15lb db's x15 alternating sides x 3 sets

Calves
Standing calve raise
40w x 20r, 50w x 15r, 60w x 12r
Seated
105lbs x15 @ rest pause x 3 sets

Legs
Hack Squats
25w x 20r, 30w x 15, 35w x 12r
Leg Press
45w x20r, 90w x 15r, 135w x 12r
Leg extension
40w x 15, 50w x 12, 60w x 10
Lying hamstring curl
40w x 20, 50w x 15, 60w x 12
Deadlifts
bar w/5lbs x15r x3sets.

I do abds after all my workouts.....


ScorpioGirl said:
Are you doing lighter weight and higher reps? Or heavier weight and less reps?.....how many sets of each exercise are you doing and how many different exercises for each body part per training session?
 
want2bhot said:
Hey Bunny, nice to hear from you again...Yes I am totally following that.....I am sticking to the plan...here is a sample day...

0700 2.5 ml Redline

0830 - 1/2 cup cream of wheat (plain)
1/2 cup cottage cheese (lowfat) w/1/2 fresh strawberries & grapes
6oz. coffee w/ some cream sweet and low
1130 - 6 oz. Chicken breast grilled
mixed green salad about 2 cups.
1/4 kidney beans
Rice vinegar dressing.
16 oz water

1430 - 12 oz Protein Shake (EAS) made w/water
sm. green apple

1730 - 12 oz Protein Shake (EAS) made w/water
sm. green apple

2030 - 6 oz. Chicken breast grilled
mixed green salad about 2 cups.
1/4 kidney beans
Rice vinegar dressing.
16 oz water

This is one day, all my other days are about the same, I don't usually do protein shakes back to back, but between work and getting home and getting to gym, I drink a quick shake and it keeps me going....Then I come home and start working on my last meal.

I switch it up from chicken to tuna, or grilled steak or something, but its around this type of diet...Oh, I have another 2.5 mls of Redline pre-workout. :qt:
What is the FitDay break down on this?

I may be WAY off but I came up with a diet that needs to cut some carbs & add healthy fats... just short of 1700 cals... and this wasn't even including the specifics (coffee, cream, rice vin, etc)...

ROUGH estimates

Protein 50%
Carbs 43%
Fat 7%

I still recommend the 40/30/30 I suggested previously to ya :)

10-12 x your bodyweight... what is your scale weight (JUST to assess your caloric range my dear)
 
I will have to go weigh myself to get an accurate count, but I forgot about the fitday sight....That was a good tool, I did it the first time we spoke, I will keep up on that log...It is very hard for me to judge how much of what protein to take in, and carbs, fats....I just wish I could have the perfect diet written out, so I can just use it and follow it..

Would you suggest to use fitday, before I make a meal, to figure out what it consists of, just until I get used to measuring how much of something...

I guess what I need to know is how many calories should I be taking in per day, or per meal???? I will go weigh myself right now, and write you back...I work in a hospital, we have scales in ER....Be right back ;)

*Bunny* said:
What is the FitDay break down on this?

I may be WAY off but I came up with a diet that needs to cut some carbs & add healthy fats... just short of 1700 cals... and this wasn't even including the specifics (coffee, cream, rice vin, etc)...

ROUGH estimates

Protein 50%
Carbs 43%
Fat 7%

I still recommend the 40/30/30 I suggested previously to ya :)

10-12 x your bodyweight... what is your scale weight (JUST to assess your caloric range my dear)
 
I will have to go weigh myself to get an accurate count, but I forgot about the fitday sight....That was a good tool, I did it the first time we spoke, I will keep up on that log...It is very hard for me to judge how much of what protein to take in, and carbs, fats....I just wish I could have the perfect diet written out, so I can just use it and follow it..

Would you suggest to use fitday, before I make a meal, to figure out what it consists of, just until I get used to measuring how much of something...

I guess what I need to know is how many calories should I be taking in per day, or per meal???? I will go weigh myself right now, and write you back...I work in a hospital, we have scales in ER....Be right back ;)

Ok - I just ran to go weigh myself....I am such a fat cow...I cannot believe it...I gained weight.......HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP...I am a huge 194lbs....I am really scared...I cannot get to 200, I will die....I don't understand, I weighed this much right after I had my baby....I am now like 4-5 sizes smaller than I was back then...I can show you some pics...I am so pissed...
 
You are not a fat cow!!!!! Please don't think that about yourself. Listen to what the girls say and do not judge yourself by your scale #. You said yourself, you are 4/5 dress sizes smaller. I'm not experienced enough to give you detailed advice about tweaking diet and exercise but someone here will help.

Don't give up! :bigkiss:
 
Thank you :spin: :spin:


mermaid said:
You are not a fat cow!!!!! Please don't think that about yourself. Listen to what the girls say and do not judge yourself by your scale #. You said yourself, you are 4/5 dress sizes smaller. I'm not experienced enough to give you detailed advice about tweaking diet and exercise but someone here will help.

Don't give up! :bigkiss:
 
want2bhot said:
Ok - I just ran to go weigh myself....I am such a fat cow...I cannot believe it...I gained weight.......HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP...I am a huge 194lbs....I am really scared...I cannot get to 200, I will die....I don't understand, I weighed this much right after I had my baby....I am now like 4-5 sizes smaller than I was back then...I can show you some pics...I am so pissed...
There is no need to show me any pics to prove the scale can be a deceptive tool as well as a helpful one (given that you do NOT let that # define you).

I do, however, suggest you post up some pics (faceless so no one 'sees' you)... That definitely empowers you, allows less room for failure and keeps you on track with your goals... plus week to week you can take updated pics and WATCH before your eyes, the AWESOME tranformation your body will go through, not only physically, but mentally (you can see it in the pics, your posture, smiles, proud to show off what you've done...all that good stuff)
 
want2bhot said:
It is very hard for me to judge how much of what protein to take in, and carbs, fats....I just wish I could have the perfect diet written out, so I can just use it and follow it..
Here are 3 to get you started...

From Daisy Girl (:heart: )
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Sample Diets

Meal 1 ~8am
5 Egg Whites, 1 Whole Egg
1/4-1/2 cup Cream of Wheat (made w/water, cinnamon, splenda)

Meal 2 ~11am
Protein Shake

Meal 3 ~2pm
4oz lean meat (usually chicken, turkey, eye of round)
3oz red potato/yam
Fat Source (usually 1oz Almonds)

Meal 4* ~5pm
4oz lean meat
Green Veggie (unlimited)

Meal 5* ~8pm
Protein Shake (usually post workout)

Meal 6 ~9:30pm-ish
Repeat Meal 4 OR Protein Shake
Fat Source (usually 1tbsp Olive Oil or 1tbsp PB)

*Sometimes, Meal 4,5,6 are slightly different, based on when my weight workout was, or my activity level of the day. I never drink more than 3 Protein Shakes a day, actually, I try to only take in 2.
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Or

Meal 1
5 Egg Whites, 1 Whole Egg (can add some veggies to it for flavor is you want)
1/2 Cup Oatmeal or Cream of Wheat
Coffee is fine, but also drink some water

Meal 2
Add Cottage Cheese to the Veggie snack (or Hummus). Don't do the FF CC, do Light or even Regular. You need some fat to help it digest slower, plus you HAVE to have fat in your diet. I'd stick with veggies rather than fruit.....celery, brocolli, carrots are okay (but have more sugar than green veggies). Don't limit green veggies.

Meal 3
3-4oz Lean Meat
Unlimited Green Veggies (salad, brocolli, green beans, asparagus)
Fat Source..... Flax Oil, Olive Oil, Almonds
(if you need extra carbs because energy falling, add 3oz Yam or Sweet Potato here)

Meal 4
Post Workout - Shake

Meal 5
3-4oz Lean Meat
Unlimited Green Veggies (same as above)
Fat Source

You can add another shake before bed, that is fine as Meal 6. Your muscle needs something to munch on during the night, or they will munch on your muscle. Add a *little* fat to a whey shake, or a *little* milk, it will help it digest slower.

Salad dressing should be Balsamic Vinegar and Olive Oil (or Flax Oil). Try not to do the "processed" store bought dressings - most of them have added sugar. Some are okay, just check the ingredients.

Drink AT LEAST 1 gallon of water a day.

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Shadow Project Diet :bigkiss:

Meal 1:
-Protein shake........

Meal2:
-Handful(1-1.5 Oz nuts)
-500 ml water

Meal 3:
-baby spinach leaves with 4-5 sliced strawberries and several blueberries....
-low cal dressing
-can of tuna (you can use Chicken here too)
-a few crackers (you can chose a better starch here as well, 3-4 oz sweet potato, brown rice...)
-500 ml water

Meal 4(after weights)
-Same shake as meal one

Meal 5
-6 oz lean fish, chicken or beef
-small potato(baking or sweet)
-green veggie
-500 ml water

Saturday night cheat night
Sunday back to schedule.

Supplements: ONCE your diet is down, I'll help you add what you need
 
I would suggest getting a 7 point body fat test done each month or every two months. That will give you a more accurate idea of what you body is doing. It sounds like you are losing a LOT of fat and replacing it with muscle!
Don't get discouraged. Nothing happens over night. Just make sure everyday you work a little harder and keep the diet clean.
Diet is number one by far!
Keep up the great work!!!!
 
Just read this...thought I'd share :

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"...supplements are not the solution... are merely tools that can help you create the solution and achieve your goals, but they cannot fix bad nutrition or lack of intensity in the gym.

Supplements are more like a tool - like a screwdriver. Now a screwdriver, by itself, may help you drive a screw into wood or some other material. But ultimately, you are the one who has to perform the work. And the screwdriver in the hand of a skilled carpenter may perform much more effectively than one in the hands of a child. The point that I am trying to drive home is that the tool itself helps perform the work, but you must put forth the effort. "
 
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