Starting first cycle. Need help with workout. More intense?

[musclehealth]

I am going to start my first cycle (bulking)soon. I have posted many times about it. One thing I need some help with is my workout. I have been doing a 5 day split.

Monday: Legs(calves)
Tuesday:chest
Wed:back
Thursday: sholders(calves)
Fri: arms
Sat:Sleep,
sun:sleep

Every set i hit failure. between 6-12 reps.

What do you guys reccomend for my bulking cycle Dbol+test.?
I dont want to overtrain. Some say its not enough. what do you guys think? Maybe give me an example of your workouts.

 

[Makavelli]

I am going to start my first cycle (bulking)soon. I have posted many times about it. One thing I need some help with is my workout. I have been doing a 5 day split.

Monday: Legs(calves)
Tuesday:chest
Wed:back
Thursday: sholders(calves)
Fri: arms
Sat:Sleep,
sun:sleep

Every set i hit failure. between 6-12 reps.

What do you guys reccomend for my bulking cycle Dbol+test.?
I dont want to overtrain. Some say its not enough. what do you guys think? Maybe give me an example of your workouts.

Training programs, like everything with BB, is gentically dependent. My advice is this: What works for you the best when natural will work the best when "on". You can train more frequently, but it's not absolutely necessary. To give you an example when I'm clean I train each bodypart once a week, when on and dieting for a show I'll train each bodypart once every 6 days. And when bulking I'll use either the once every 6 days or once every 5 days. I think your program as outlined will work fine.

 

[jnevin]

Good food. Your workouts will progress as you push yourself, but diet will help soooo much. What are your stats? What dosages? 1st cycle? Need more info.

 

[musclehealth]

Good food. Your workouts will progress as you push yourself, but diet will help soooo much. What are your stats? What dosages? 1st cycle? Need more info.

First of all...Nice avitar!!! LOL.

My diet is clean. As good as it can get being in college.

Breakfast: Protein shake(muscle milk), 2 cups oatmeal, Flax,
meal 2: Tuna (plain strait out of the can), some type of carb(noodles)
Meal 3: 5 chicken breast.(eat till I pop). Plain Spaghetti, skim milk
Meal 4: Can tuna or protein shake. Flax.
Meal 5: 2 Chicken sandwich, (bbq sauce if needed, remove 2 buns)
Meal 6: protein shake or tuna.

Creatine, gluteamine, flax,

I snack in between depends on if I have time or $.
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Week 1: Dbol 30mg day(3 times 10mg), Test 1000mg.(twice a week 500mg)
Week 2: Dbol 30mg day(3 times 10mg), Test 500mg.(twice a week 250mg)
Week 3: Dbol 30mg day(3 times 10mg), Test 500mg.(twice a week 250mg)
Week 4: Dbol 30mg day(3 times 10mg), Test 500mg.(twice a week 250mg)
Week 5: Test 500mg.(twice a week 250mg)
Week 6: Test 500mg.(twice a week 250mg)
Week 7: Test 500mg.(twice a week 250mg)
Week 8: Test 500mg.(twice a week 250mg)
Week 9: Test 500mg.(twice a week 250mg)
Week 10: Test 500mg.(twice a week 250mg)

Nolva, Clomid, and HCG will be used.
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[wellbilt]

i like the 2 on 1 off cycle
chest and tris
back traps and bis
off
legs
shoulders
off
repeat
i have been using this method with good results
i think your program will work good

 

[FlexManning]

Personally- just IMO- I'm not sure I like the approach of hitting a muscle once a week for the majority of weight trainers. I've yet to see a single study prove the advantage of this method for any group of trainers (in fact I've seen it proven otherwise), but I accept that many very advanced trainers have found success with this method and I realize it could be great for a change of pace for anybody.

Now I'm not saying that nobody should use a split, I'm just suggesting that most weight trainers are overeager as far as that goes. Personally I like the idea of direct/indirect splits, heavy/light splits and so forth. In fact there used to be some decent examples of routines in Ironman magazine that demonstrated many of these principles. Anyway, direct indirect would be for example separating back and bi workouts so the bi's are hit twice a week in that manner. Heavy light pretty much speaks for itself and involves hitting a muscle group more than once every 7 days and alternating the number of sets, the intensity, and the exercises (often for instance a greater emphasis on machine workouts on a light day).

 

[Mr_MAX]

so many different ways to build the body..... will we ever find the perfect way...??

 

[Makavelli]

so many different ways to build the body..... will we ever find the perfect way...??

Here's a few guys that did: Ronnie, Dorian, Lee, Arnold, and Flex. They found what worked for them. If you look at the training routines of these guys you'll find that they all used very different routines. Particularly Ronnie and Dorian. Two completely different methods with the same result-Dominating their time.

 

[Dial_tone]

First of all...Nice avitar!!! LOL.

My diet is clean. As good as it can get being in college.

Breakfast: Protein shake(muscle milk), 2 cups oatmeal, Flax,
meal 2: Tuna (plain strait out of the can), some type of carb(noodles)
Meal 3: 5 chicken breast.(eat till I pop). Plain Spaghetti, skim milk
Meal 4: Can tuna or protein shake. Flax.
Meal 5: 2 Chicken sandwich, (bbq sauce if needed, remove 2 buns)
Meal 6: protein shake or tuna.

Creatine, gluteamine, flax,

I snack in between depends on if I have time or $.
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You're going to bulk on that? You need to finish that by 2pm

 

[FlexManning]

You're going to bulk on that? You need to finish that by 2pm

I just noticed that diet plan and I agree. That seems like birdfood. For a young guy trying to bulk up, there is absolutely nothing wrong with letting the diet slip a little. The goal should be to satisfy given macronutrient needs and then loosen up.

What's wrong with a steak? Or a Subway sandwich? Or for that matter, even fast food? Spinach salad drenched in dressing made with canola oil is great. Things like that.

My understanding is that a lot of pros can barely pass a Taco Bell or a Mc Donalds without gobbling down 10 bucks worth of junkfood when they're bulking up. Personally I can easily eat 10 tacos from Taco Bell yet I can pretty much lose weight whenever I want. I know that Lee Priest is very open about the fact that he can woof down a couple boxes of Krispy Kremes, and that's a guy who makes his living off parading around in bikini briefs ripped to shreds. Dan Duchaine used to say, "Don't feel bad that you ate a quarter pounder, feel bad that you didn't eat two." or something like that. Tom Prince says that eating too clean when you're not dieting means you will be starting your diet without all 52 cards in the deck.

Bulking up? How about bananas and oatmeal mixed in protein shakes? Meal replacement bars as snacks? Buying an entire rotisserie chicken from the deli and eating it with a salad and a glass of milk? Sardines, herring, and oily fish. Flax oil added to shakes. Omelets with cheese and include some yolks. Cold cereal. Yogurt. Cottage cheese.

 

[Makavelli]

I believe in clean bulking. I've seen too many physiques ruined by guys that "bulk up" by eating McDonalds all day. This mentality is pure gluttony. "I need to eat McDonalds and Taco Bell because I need to get bigger" . A few can do this, i.e. Lee Priest. However now even Lee has eaten clean this past off season and it shows. He was in his best condition ever at the Australian pro last weekend. Even Ronnie ate clean leading up to the 2004 O. You don't need 10K cals a day to grow. You can only gain so much muscle at one time. Anything over that and it's going to be fat. You need more cals than you're eating now, but keep it clean for the most part. You'll be glad you did when you diet down.

 

[BOOEY]

Eat more. and eat carbs!!! You should have a 40/40/20 ratio of protein/carbs/fats(healthy sources)