Stanozolol -"winny depot" question

[iHulk]

Muscle men, I need assistance please!! I've done a ton of research on various steroids both anabolic and androgenic, well at least as much Google-searching one can do. However after reading, researching and ordering 3 different muscle-endorsing mags I’ve gone full circle in the search and so it has finally brought me to this site. So I have ‘ponied’ up the dough and got on board this forum. It appears to me that more than half of the quality researched questions I get answers to comes from this forum. So you guys are the experts and I thank you.

So here goes:
I've narrowed down my selection to either Deca-Durabolin or Stanozolol -winny depot. However, since I am NOT stacking I can only choose one for now. I am not looking for HUGE gains, just a nice lean cut look, with some fat loss and some good strength. From what I’ve gathered, the Winny aqueous suspension seems to be the way to go. But I also want the least amount of side effects as possible. The least aromatization as possible! I really don’t want to expedite my hair loss. Cuz you know chicks dig hair on your head not on your balls…. Ha-ha Anyway I am nervous about the injection site too because the rate at which it is needed since its not esterified seems to be at least 100 mg EOD bringing me up to the recommended dosage of 400 mg/week.

So my questions are:
1. How long is an adequate cycle for just using Winny to see some results along with a good diet and training regimen?
2. Will the Winny give me permanent hair loss on a 400 mg/week cycle?
3. If I can only get the veterinary medicine or “Winny –V” is this safe even though it is intended for animals?
4. Is liver toxicity a major concern and is a post cycle anti-estrogen like CLOMID a necessary addition?

1 - Age = 29
2 - Lifting History = 12 years
3 - Height = 6' 1"
4 - Weight = 205
5 - Estimated BF% (lean/a little chunk in the rib cage...)
6 - Diet = pizza, beer, tuna, but I cardio a lot and I am stopping the beer!
7 - Goals = gain lean mucsle mass, lose some excess fat, get some muscle striation (sp?), stronger
8 - Proposed cycle (One full cycle of Winny depot or Winny V and then we'll see Maybe deca after --> not looking to stack and get too huge but some moderate gains. My body responded well on Sus250 about 3 yeas ago when I took it. I gained about 20 lbs of mass and was a lot stronger. I held my gains for a while but then fringgin work and stress got too much in my way. But I'm back and motivated.)


THANKS DUDES AND DUDETTES.

 

[ericahls]

Welcome.

I would suggest Winny Depot and 50mg/day for no more than 6 weeks.

I have used winny orals at this dose with good success.

The only thing I would suggest is to cut back on the pizza. Pizza is a very caloric dense food and if your goal is too lean up then minimizing the pizza intake will help.

Also use some milk thistle and/or Tyler’s Liver Detox to aid in liver protection.

 

[satchboogie]

winny only cycle???

bad idea!

 

[aikido_thefirstone]

I know most guys will say that winny only is not a good idea and for the most part, i would agree. BUT.... i did try a winny only cycle. I ran a low does of wintrol-v from Winthrop labs (my first cycle ever back in 1992 back in the day where pyramid cycles were still the thing to do). They were the 2mg tabs. I ran 9mg a day for wk one and worked my way up to 25mg a day and then back down. It was a 7 wk cycle. I had small gains but they were great. Lean gains and great pumps. I haven't done a winny only cycle since but it always make me wonder what results I'd get from 40 to 50mg a day for 6 weeks. I really like the winny and test cyp cycles. I had great results from them. Take it for what's it's worth bro. Good luck.

 

[n1tro]

Winstrol/Deca is a great stack, better yet would be Winstrl and NPP. Havn't tried the 2nd one but deca and winny worked great for me.

 

[savage1026]

My first cycle was winny only. The dosages were pretty low too, 50mg IM EOD. I was weary about going with winny alone because i had read that it was futile. It worked great for me though, gained 10-15 pounds which really suprised me. My only complaint was the joint pain; it almost kept me from doing cardio. All in all I was satisfied with the results. Hope this helps with your decision.

 

[mikebzt]

Winstrol/Deca is a great stack, better yet would be Winstrl and NPP. Havn't tried the 2nd one but deca and winny worked great for me.

2nd this. stack them together. You will be happy you did

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

you shouldn't be taking gear if you can't part with PIZZA,
AND winny alone, regardless if its human grade or vet is harmfull on the liver esp. if you don't take liv detox AND winny ain't gonna do anything for you alone, it needs some help from another compound. Anyway, youre not ready for this

 

[iHulk]

Thanks for the info bro, and I appreciate your answer since it was more thorough and wasn’t clouded by insecure roid rage like Mr. detroitbodybuildertigers retarded answer.

I like what you had to say, but why would people say Winny alone is not a good idea? I’ve have not heard one person give me a solid background or read anything to back that statement up. Its it because roids have become so over the top with dosages most fools don’t see how ridiculous they look and when they stack like 5 different substances and then have to take like 9 pills a day to combat the side effects? Honestly, what is the downside? Is Deca a better choice by itself? I could care less about being "Comp" ready and all that crap. I’m just looking to kick detroitbodybuildertigers ass… hahaha just kidding but I sure he’s got bitch tits by now anyway. I don’t hit girls. Anyway back to what I was saying, is Winny alone harmful to the liver more than another roid, say deca or Sus250?

I know most guys will say that winny only is not a good idea and for the most part, i would agree. BUT.... i did try a winny only cycle. I ran a low does of wintrol-v from Winthrop labs (my first cycle ever back in 1992 back in the day where pyramid cycles were still the thing to do). They were the 2mg tabs. I ran 9mg a day for wk one and worked my way up to 25mg a day and then back down. It was a 7 wk cycle. I had small gains but they were great. Lean gains and great pumps. I haven't done a winny only cycle since but it always make me wonder what results I'd get from 40 to 50mg a day for 6 weeks. I really like the winny and test cyp cycles. I had great results from them. Take it for what's it's worth bro. Good luck.

 

[LVTitan]

Thanks for the info bro, and I appreciate your answer since it was more thorough and wasn’t clouded by insecure roid rage like Mr. detroitbodybuildertigers retarded answer.

I like what you had to say, but why would people say Winny alone is not a good idea? I’ve have not heard one person give me a solid background or read anything to back that statement up. Its it because roids have become so over the top with dosages most fools don’t see how ridiculous they look and when they stack like 5 different substances and then have to take like 9 pills a day to combat the side effects? Honestly, what is the downside? Is Deca a better choice by itself? I could care less about being "Comp" ready and all that crap. I’m just looking to kick detroitbodybuildertigers ass… hahaha just kidding but I sure he’s got bitch tits by now anyway. I don’t hit girls. Anyway back to what I was saying, is Winny alone harmful to the liver more than another roid, say deca or Sus250?

damn dbbt, he called you a bitch and retarded...
anyway, winstrol V is not veterinary, it is USP. and it takes a big fucking needle to inject it 21g at the Smallest !!
i'd go w/pills if i was gonna take winny, but i would prefer the deca cycle. deca is wonderful on my joints, and i love deca. get some cabergoline though.

 

[iHulk]

damn dbbt, he called you a bitch and retarded...
anyway, winstrol V is not veterinary, it is USP. and it takes a big fucking needle to inject it 21g at the Smallest !!
i'd go w/pills if i was gonna take winny, but i would prefer the deca cycle. deca is wonderful on my joints, and i love deca. get some cabergoline though.

alright then fuck it.. I go with the deca and the winny stack. Mahalos BIG Brothah!... where's my goddamm needles at? shoots cuz!

 

[hard life]

I do winny alone quite often. I am already lean and it gets me more defined and I look the most natural and healthy then any other AAS. Depends on your goals and everyones bodies are different. You can aslo drink winny depot, that's the only way I do it and it is just fine.

 

[Phaded]

i bet it tastes delicious

 

[mrplunkey]

There are many threads here about drinking winny (warning: dead horse incoming!!!) at http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=351448&highlight=drinking+winny . Here's the cliff-notes version of what I've seen.

1) You can drink winny designed for IM purposes just fine
2) A dog study showed ingested winny to be less effective than injected, but not 50% -- in dogs 50mg injected EoD ~= 37 mg Orally ED (note one is EoD and one is ED)
3) The concensus is injections EoD is fine, but orals need to go ED
4) Some people believe in humans that oral is 50% as effective as injectable(including my HRT doctor who has prescribed both to me)
5) Deca and Winny make a great stack. Winny is believed to offset a number of deca sides.
6) You can't mix deca (oild-based) and winny (water-based) in the same syringe
7) Shake the shit out of winny before drawing it into the syringe and during your needle change, shake the shit out of the syringe again
8) Winny goes in smoothly and a 23g needle works great, but for me it makes me sore as hell for a solid 36 hours even if I'm only putting 1 ml in my ass
9) Both forms of winny are 17aa, so get some Tylers liver detox (I love that stuff!)
10) No drinking booze on winny -- your liver is working hard enough! Especially if you are doing orals, because IM winny not only avoids the first pass through the liver -- it also seeps into your system more smoothly than a pill hitting your stomach does.

 

[iHulk]

Mahalos MrPlunkey....

I am going to inject the Winny Depot to get the most bang for my buck since this shit is so damm expensive ...its ridiclulous how much this costs.