Stacking for the first time...

[ucf8459]

Well, here we go. This is a first time stack for me and my workout partner, let me know what you guys think. And remember...before you tell me to bump the Deca to 400mg/week, we're shooting every 5th day, and it's our first stack! That said, any response is appreciated (both positive and negative).

This will be a ten week cycle:
Deca - 200mg/ every 5 days
Sust 250 - 250mg/ every 5 days
Dbol 30mg/ ed - first 4 weeks
Winny tabs 25mg/ ed - last 6 weeks
Clomid 7 days post

Any thing we should cut out? Add? Should I keep Nolvadex or Proviron on hand?

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Cycle looks good. Start the Clomid 3 weeks after your last shot of Deca cause Deca has a longer ester and you will still have a large amount in your system 7 days after your last shot. Other then that it looks good. Have the Nolva on hand and you will do fine

M18

 

[ucf8459]

Thanks Mustang, I appreciate the quick response! So, I should start the clomid 3 weeks after last injection? What about the nolvadex...just wait to see if I develop bloating and signs of gyno?

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Thanks Mustang, I appreciate the quick response! So, I should start the clomid 3 weeks after last injection? What about the nolvadex...just wait to see if I develop bloating and signs of gyno?

Yes..If you start to feel or see and signs of gyno then start the Nolva right away and that will take care of them

M18

 

[mlomker]

just wait to see if I develop bloating and signs of gyno?

I went with proviron at 25mg/day and it seems to be doing the job for me. The dbol starting hurting the nips after only 4 days. Everyone is different in that regard, though.

 

[ucf8459]

So...which is better? The proviron or the nolvadex? What's the proper dose of each? Do you take it just until the symptoms disappear?

Sorry for all the questions guys...just trying to be prepared!

 

[Bulldog_10]

How long is this cycle going to be? Can you give us starting and stopping weeks for each AS?

This is what i think you should do:
sust............500mg/wk.........1-10
deca...........400mg/wk.........1-10
d-bol..........30mg/ED............1-4
winny..........50mg/ED...........7-12
clomid....................................13-15

arimidex/liquidex at .25mg/ED weeks 1-15

Honestly, I would drop the d-bol and start the winny earlier, this would help fight off progesterone gyno. Maybe run the winny from 5-12.

Inject the sust and deca on Mondays and Thursdays mixed into one shot.

Just some suggestions!
B-10

 

[ucf8459]

Thanks Bulldog-
I really didn't want to up the sust and deca, that's why we were going to shoot every 5 days, rather than 7. You would drop the dbol altogether? Continue the winny through week 12? I was planning on a ten week total cycle.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Well it seems to me like you're concerned about gyno. If that's the case, deca and d-bol is probably not a good stack. Maybe you could replece the deca with some EQ if you don't mind changing things around a little.

And as far as running the winny through week 12 is concerned, why not? When you stop the deca and sust in week 10, it floats around in your system for a couple of weeks anyways(because of the esters). So it's kinda like you're still on, hence the 3 week wait before you start clomid. So why not take advantage of the 2 weeks you have after you stop the deca/sust, and throw a fast actng AS like winny in? That way you can stop the winny at the same time the sust/deca will be clearing your system, and start clomid right on time.

Let me know if this is too confusing, I'll try to clarify, or if someone else wants to explain, feel free.

 

[pgerardone]

Yes..If you start to feel or see and signs of gyno then start the Nolva right away and that will take care of them

M18

Start the novs the day you start your cycle because some who get gyno can not get rid of it once it starts. No matter how much noveldex or arimidex they take. Why take the chance. If you can get arimidex then use that but also from day one. There are many, many bodybuilders out there who wish they would have done this but instead tried the "have the noveldex on hand" approach and now have a nice set of tits.

 

[ucf8459]

pgerone-
How much nolva each day? All the way through the cycle?

bulldog-
eq instead of the deca? tell me more! What would be the advantages/disadvantages? Wouldn't I still have to worry about the gyno w/ the dbol? By the way, I'm not as much worried about the gyno as I am just trying to prepare for the worst!

 

[ucf8459]

pgerardone-
How much nolva each day? All the way through the cycle?

bulldog-
eq instead of the deca? tell me more! What would be the advantages/disadvantages? Wouldn't I still have to worry about the gyno w/ the dbol? By the way, I'm not as much worried about the gyno as I am just trying to prepare for the worst!

 

[pgerardone]

10 mgs of noveldex a day should protect you from gyno if you start it from day one. If you wait till gyno starts 40mgs a day may not stop it. If you can get arimidex .25mgs a day would be a good dose and arimidex is a better anti-estrogen. I think that other guy was telling you to use eq instead of deca because some on here get gyno from deca. I have to tell you that this is a very rare occurance at the dose you are going to use. Stick with your plan just add an anti-estrogen. If this is your first cycle eat enough and you should gain a considerable amount of muscle.

 

[PARABOLAN]

eq will give better quality gains.. and will do a great job concerning vascularity and appetite.. and nolva will work with it..

 

[ucf8459]

Out of curiosity...what would the dosage be on the eq if I still went with the 5 day frequency?

 

[mlomker]

Out of curiosity...what would the dosage be on the eq if I still went with the 5 day frequency?

Considering that your other doses are light I supposed you'd go with 300mg/5 days. It is typically run at 4-800mg/wk.

Arimidex seems like the way to go with anti-e's. I'll go that way on the next cycle instead.

 

[Bulldog_10]

400mg/wk

Bro forget about this every 5 days shit. If you're gonna do it, do it right! Check this out:

sust.........500mg/wk........1-8
EQ...........400mg/wk.........1-10
d-bol.......30mg/ED..........1-4
winny......50mg/ED..........7-12
Clomid..............................13-15
Arimidex...(.25mg/ED)....1-15

I think this cycle it 10X better than the other one. I would also switch from sust to a single estered test...like enanthate or cyp.

 

[MadCow1]

I'll say it again...

Taper the dbol down - don't go from 30mg to zero in a day. Go 30, 20, 15, 10 even 5 and bring it down over 8-12 days. Why deal with a performance crash - ease out of it and at least enjoy a pill pre-workout.

 

[ucf8459]

Bulldog, will this cycle provide me with a little more rip than bulk?
That might actually work better for me...

***Anybody else have any opinions on Bulldog's cycle suggestion?

mlomker - What if my source can't get the arimidex? What would you suggest in it's place? (I'm checking my source now)

 

[Bulldog_10]

Bulldog, will this cycle provide me with a little more rip than bulk?
That might actually work better for me...

***Anybody else have any opinions on Bulldog's cycle suggestion?

mlomker - What if my source can't get the arimidex? What would you suggest in it's place? (I'm checking my source now)

Bro, In my opinion, as long as your diet, training, and rest is on track, you will put on size and lose body fat with this cycle.
Also, take Madcow1's advice and taper the d-bol. maybe something like 30mg/ED for the first week, 25mg/ED for the second, 20mg/ED for the third, and 10mg/ED for the fourth.

If you can't get arimidex, that's ok, just go with proviron, and maybe nolva at a low dose throughout the cycle. But definately do all you can to get the arimidex/liquidex. It is expensive, but worth it.
Glad I could help bro!
B-10

 

[massva]

So, is Liquidex 20ml vial @ 4mg/ml of Anastrozole the same thing as arimidex??? I am also learning from these post...
Thanks Guys....
MASSVA

 

[Bulldog_10]

So, is Liquidex 20ml vial @ 4mg/ml of Anastrozole the same thing as arimidex??? I am also learning from these post...
Thanks Guys....
MASSVA

Yup...liquidex is just arimidex suspended in oil (glycerol).

 

[PARABOLAN]

liquidex is much cheaper though..