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"Squats - Parallel or below"

swordfish151

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How many of you do squats and stop at parallel? How many of you go deeper then that? I personally go below parallel...I had this kid yesterday come up to me and tell me "blah blah blah I ALMOST got certified" anyway telling me he had a book that said i should not go below parallel because i could tear my "ACL" in my knees and that going to low puts alot of tension on your achillies heal....anyway i used to do squats and stop at parellel and my knees suffered..when i got on the 5x5 a while back and did deap squats..had no more knee pain at all..but im curious..what do you guys think..
 
In a squat where the knees come forward (anything other than a PL-style squat), you should go as deep as your flexibility allows. This transfers the stress from the knees to the more powerful hips. This is safe as long as you don't get sloppy and bounce in or out of the hole.
 
Read the Arioch article - it specifically has an entire section on depth and biomechanics. You should probably print it and hand it to the kid. Tell him he better go back and read his book more carefully or get a bit more well versed in the squat and biomechanics.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5124176&postcount=825

Arioch - partial reprint said:
There are several schools of thought on squat depth. Many misinformed individuals caution against squatting below parallel, stating that this is hazardous to the knees. Nothing could be further from the truth. (2) Stopping at or above parallel places direct stress on the knees, whereas a deep squat will transfer the load to the hips,(3) which are capable of handling a greater amount of force than the knees should ever be exposed to. Studies have shown that the squat produces lower peak tibeo-femoral(stress at the knee joint) compressive force than both the leg press and the leg extension.(4) For functional strength, one should descend as deeply as possible, and under control. (yes, certain individuals can squat in a ballistic manner, but they are the exception rather than the rule). The further a lifter descends, the more the hamstrings are recruited, and proper squatting displays nearly twice the hamstring involvement of the leg press or leg extension. (5,6) and as one of the functions of the hamstring is to protect the patella tendon (the primary tendon involved in knee extension) during knee extension through a concurrent firing process, the greatest degree of hamstring recruitment should provide the greatest degree of protection to the knee joint. (7) When one is a powerlifter, the top surface of the legs at the hip joint must descend to a point below the top surface of the legs at the knee joint.

Knee injuries are one of the most commonly stated problems that come from squatting, however, this is usually stated by those who do not know how to squat. A properly performed squat will appropriately load the knee joint, which improves congruity by increasing the compressive forces at the knee joint. (8,(9) which improves stability, protecting the knee against shear forces. As part of a long-term exercise program, the squat, like other exercises, will lead to increased collagen turnover and hypertrophy of ligaments. (10,11) At least one study has shown that international caliber weightlifters and powerlifters experience less clinical or symptomatic arthritis. (12) Other critics of the squat have stated that it decreases the stability of the knees, yet nothing could be further from the truth. Studies have shown that the squat will increase knee stability by reducing joint laxity, as well as decrease anterior-posterior laxity and translation. (13,14) The squat is, in fact, being used as a rehabilitation exercise for many types of knee injuries, including ACL repair. (15)
 
Perfect Madcow..just printed and will hand it to him...its interesting to note that how some personal or wannbe personal trainers "sight" information from one book...or follow what they were taught without thinking with an open mind and researching...
 
there's just as much stress on your hips as anything.

That said, I "sometimes" go below parallel, but if I do, I go lighter than normal. It starts to get my back more the lower I go

Whiskey
 
Alll the way down!! :evil: A few days ago i saw a few kids load up the Smith Machine, put a flat bench underneath them, then moved literally about 3-4 inches then back up for 2 reps!! Ridiculous. I've been going to a new gym for about 5 months and i've only seen 2 people do squats. I really do think people are afraid of them.
 
What will make my quads bigger? Parallel or full?

I find full squats work my glutes more. I don't know if it makes my glutes grow faster but it just feels that way.
 
Beachbum1546 said:
What will make my quads bigger? Parallel or full?

I find full squats work my glutes more. I don't know if it makes my glutes grow faster but it just feels that way.
Do full squats for heatlh reasons. Did you read MC2's post above? Half squats are a recipe for knee problems.

If you need more quad emphasis, throw some front squats in. You could have heavy backsquats one day and heavy fronts another - the nice thing about fronts is that they're not as taxing as backsquats, so you can go nice and heavy on both.
 
Olysquats hammer the quads hard enough already - knees drift forward, sit on your nuts, keep upright in oly shoes. Good times. Front squats kick ass to finish anything off (if you feel the need) and choke yourself. Mmm, gotta love the bar against the throat.
 
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