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Squats and Your Back

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1. RESEARCH UPDATE: Squats And Your Back
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Are squats really bad for your back?

New research shows that squats -- often criticized on the basis
they're "bad" for your back -- could actually be doing your spine
some good.

In many modern health clubs, the popularity of exercise machines
has left the squat rack relegated to a dark, dusty corner in the
back of the gym. However, this recent trial shows that squats
(and other related exercises, such as the deadlift) could be the
best way to maintain the strength of your spine as you get older.

The study, published in the International Journal of Sports
Medicine, examined the back of the man holding the current world
record for the squat. Despite being able to squat over 1,000
pounds, several scans revealed a remarkably healthy spine.

* MRI scans revealed normal spinal alignment.

* There was no evidence of disc herniation.

* In addition, there was no sign of compressive disc disease.

More important, the scans also showed an extremely high level of
"bone strength" (called bone mineral density) in the spine. This
is important, especially for women. According to some estimates,
one out of every three women over the age of 65 will suffer a
fracture of the spine.

A reduced bone mineral density -- which increases your risk of a
fracture -- is far more widespread than previously thought.
Recent surveys show that almost 4 out of 10 women aged 50 or over
have osteopenia, which is a mild bone mineral loss.

When calcium in your diet runs short, the body drains the calcium
stored in your bones. This weakens them significantly. Some
bones, especially those in the spine, can become so weak that
just the weight of your body causes them to suddenly
disintegrate, often into scattered fragments that can't be
reassembled.

Your spine can also become "compressed" during old age, forming
what is often called "dowager's hump". This is the posture
assumed by many older women as they appear to get shorter.

One last tip...

When squatting with a heavy weight, make sure to avoid the
popular recommendation to keep your back flat. According to Dr.
Mel Siff, in his book Facts and Fallacies of Fitness, a flat back
is, "virtually impossible" for most normal people to achieve.

"Keeping the back 'flat' is common advice in the gymnasium
training environment, yet its validity is rarely questioned.
Actually, a flat back devoid of any curvature, is not only
virtually impossible for a normal person to achieve, but it
also reduces the ability of the spine to absorb or distribute
shock and stress effectively."

Although there are numerous factors affecting the strength of
your bones, training with heavy weights is one of the best ways
to ensure you're still leading an active life right into old age.

Reference

Dickerman, R.D., Pertusi, R., & Smith, G.H. (2002). The upper
range of lumbar spine bone mineral density? An examination of the
current world record holder in the squat lift. International
Journal of Sports Medicine, 21, 469-470
 
bmjaa said:


"Keeping the back 'flat' is common advice in the gymnasium
training environment, yet its validity is rarely questioned.
Actually, a flat back devoid of any curvature, is not only
virtually impossible for a normal person to achieve, but it
also reduces the ability of the spine to absorb or distribute
shock and stress effectively."



Virtually impossible for the normal person? Probobly because the normal person has never step foot in a gym.
 
Squats are my favorite exercise. Been doing them for years...never use wraps or a belt. If your form is good, you don't need 'em. Never had problems, all squats do is give you BIG legs!
 
Was always a little nervous t do squats so I would always use a machine or use the smith machine. But now in the laste few months I have been doing squats. I must say, I dunno what the hell I was so worried about. I love them and my legs are exploding. To be able to get your ass to hit the floor and come back up is intense. Actually wednesday was my last leg day and I almost passed out of my last set of squats after I did them. Sorry for the rambling but just love them.!!!:D
 
Hauge said:
Was always a little nervous t do squats so I would always use a machine or use the smith machine. But now in the laste few months I have been doing squats.

Just curious, but what is the 'major' difference? I like the Smith Machine for stability. Should I be doing more free squats as opposed to the machines?
 
I think its a personal preference. I dont like the fact that I have to travel a certain path. I just dont feel as comfortable, plus I dont think you can beat free weight squats anyways. Just my .02$ though
 
Smith vs Free Weight

alien amp pharm said:


Just curious, but what is the 'major' difference? I like the Smith Machine for stability. Should I be doing more free squats as opposed to the machines?

Absolutelty! Smith will resrict the range of motion and not allow you to fully engage all of your muscles (especially the stabilizers).. That is why free weight squats are king... its a total body exercise! I do my squats in a power cage for the safety you would look for in a smith machine (spotting)
 
I personally think you get more by doing free squats. When I was playing f-ball, we'd do a hellish squat routine. Knees NEVER when over your toes...you kicked your ass out and went down slow...rolled the hips on the up movement...WOW!

I love 'em. I do squats twice a weeks, one heavy and one light!
 
I personally think you get more by doing free squats. When I was playing f-ball, we'd do a hellish squat routine. Knees NEVER when over your toes...you kicked your ass out and went down slow...rolled the hips on the up movement...WOW!

I love 'em. I do squats twice a weeks, one heavy and one light! They just keep blowing up, even with my torn miniscus!
 
yes, don't be fooled by the smith machine. I see far too many guys with really small legs, doing really heavy weight, with little depth on the smith machine. I guess they feel more safe or comfortable, and load plates on it and barely move it. Even with good depth you still don't get full range of motion with the smith machine. I do all squats with free weights and go really deep. Only wish we had a cage out our gym, I do like that added safety.
 
Well damn, you all have convinced me. Free weight squats from now on.:o
 
There is an incredible full body anabolic effect (with the release of GH) as the result of all of those stabilizer muscles firing during the squat.

Squats on the smith machine may build some quad size if you are lucky, freeweight squats will cause your entire body to grow.

If you are going to do smith machine squats you might as well use the hack.

Frankly, you have to be doing squats or you aren't serious.
 
Re: when I do squats with even light weight.

johnboy said:
I feel like my knee's are goiong to blow out. What am I doing wrong ?

What is your stance? if not sure have someone watch you or video. I'd bet you have a wide stance or a wider than you knees like! The wider the stance the more pressure you put on the knees.. Also, make sure you NEVER let your knees travel beyond your toes as you do a rep. With good form your knees should not be bothering you.

Good Luck
 
This is such an amazing and universal misunderstanding I think it is humorous,

The solution to form issues and gaining a lot of size through intensity is very simply:

Do front squats.


It is impossible to this exercise incorrectly without falling down or breaking your collarbone, your form will be perfect or you will land on your ass. You use half the weight and double the intensity.

I honestly think this exercise is too hard for most guys and they avoid it, and simply do back squats.


Front squats are serious and you get serious results.

PS

I think back squats are fine for girls and people that normally use machines
 
solidspine said:
This is such an amazing and universal misunderstanding I think it is humorous,

The solution to form issues and gaining a lot of size through intensity is very simply:

Do front squats.


It is impossible to this exercise incorrectly without falling down or breaking your collarbone, your form will be perfect or you will land on your ass. You use half the weight and double the intensity.

I honestly think this exercise is too hard for most guys and they avoid it, and simply do back squats.


Front squats are serious and you get serious results.

PS

I think back squats are fine for girls and people that normally use machines

Let me start by saying that I do front squats and yes they are much harder. solidspine, are you a chiropractor? I'm trying to remember if I read that a while back.
Also, would you be more prone to hernia during front squats? I seem to feel a little more pressure on my lower abdominal wall.
 
Excellent post by SolidSpine.

To be absolutely sure that going ultra heavy with back squats it might be a good idea one day to have x-rays taken to make sure you don't have any congenital abnormalities which might restrict you in some way or predispose a person to injury.

For instance, I have 6 lumbars whereas most people have 5. With extra heavy weight that I get occasional back pain. Not good since 6 lumbars typically demonstrate a reduced disc space at the lowest segment on plain films.

Other than that strict attention to proper form (such as by doing the front squats exactly as Solidspine said is the best bet).
 
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