Specifics for First Cycle

[revolutionofthemind]

Would you recommend HCG during this cycle or after, or would it be overkill and not needed? Or is this something that is pretty much always a good idea. I know they have had the best luck in PCT with a combo of HCG, Nolva and Clomid; I am just wondering if a simple test/proviron cycle requires this much firepower?

 

[GUARDIAN]

Would you recommend HCG during this cycle or after, or would it be overkill and not needed? Or is this something that is pretty much always a good idea. I know they have had the best luck in PCT with a combo of HCG, Nolva and Clomid; I am just wondering if a simple test/proviron cycle requires this much firepower?

i think it would be an excellent idea. however the proviron may not combat the spikes in estrogen from the hcg. u would really need 2 keep an eye on signs and have the AI's ready.

 

[revolutionofthemind]

Ok so if a person happened to have some test p and some test e on hand what would be the right way to front load with the test p? Also running proviron? Assuming of course that said person has adex and letro on hand in case.

Something along these lines look fine?

12 Week Cycle
50mg Test P ED for the first 20 days
250 mg Test E twice per week
50mg Proviron daily.

Adex for PCT and if needed during cycle. Letro on hand only for emergencies.
Also does it make sense to switch back to the short esters for the last 20 days of the cycle so PCT can start faster after the end of the cycle?

 

[timtim]

Ok so if a person happened to have some test p and some test e on hand what would be the right way to front load with the test p? Also running proviron? Assuming of course that said person has adex and letro on hand in case.

Something along these lines look fine?

12 Week Cycle
50mg Test P ED for the first 20 days
250 mg Test E twice per week
50mg Proviron daily.

Adex for PCT and if needed during cycle. Letro on hand only for emergencies.
Also does it make sense to switch back to the short esters for the last 20 days of the cycle so PCT can start faster after the end of the cycle?

its your first run. no need to front load. see what happens with the test only. you could be heavily prone to sides.

 

[revolutionofthemind]

This essentially is a test only cycle. The Proviron only reduces the chances of sides. I know many people switch to short acting esters as they near the end of the cycle in order to start the PCT sooner. Is there an advantage in using a little of the test p at the beginning of the cycle as well? I know that front loading isn't "necessary", I'm trying to find out, since it would be on hand, if there is a good advantage in using at the start of the cycle as well as the end? I was just hoping that someone would look at the timing and dosage. I've done the research but there is also value in getting the input of experienced users, so I thought I would see what you guys think.

 

[revolutionofthemind]

I guess I should write it out like this? Does anyone start their cycles with botth a fast acting ester and a slow acting ester, test p and test e? How long before the end of the cycle should you switch from test e to test p so as to be able to start the PCT sooner. Would something like this work ok?


Test P 50mg ed for the first 20 days
Test E. 250 mg twice per week from start until 20 days before end of cycle
Proviron 50mg ED
Test P 75mg ED for the last 20 days

PCT 10 days from last inject
Adex
Sustain Alpha

Have letro on hand in case of emergencies. Since these are things that are available and this is intended to be a one cycle thing only I want to use what's available. So I am just asking if this is the best way to use these things. I think it is, but I would like some experienced users to confirm that I am not missing anything. Thank you in advance for your thoughts.

 

[thebadguy54]

I'd go with 500mg Test E EW for 10 weeks.

Get some HCG.

PCT and done.

Try the tren next time... if this one goes well.