soy milk

[anthrax]

soy milk is not a fermented product

so what about the enzyme inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes ?

and the phytic acid (which cause a reduced bioavailability of iron and zinc )?

 

[MS]

Yes, soy milk has enzyme inhibitors that can reduce the availability of some minerals, and can reduce protein digestion. For these reasons soy protein may not be ideal as your sole source of protein, and it's a good idea to take extra mineral supps at a meal separate from high soy content. I use a soy protein which has enzymes (proteases) added to it to aid in complete digestion, and has also been amino acid "balanced".

A couple of glasses of soymilk per day will not have a detrimental impact on your health.

 

[anthrax]

OK Thanks

I'll add proteases to my meals
I'm already taking Zn aspartate (b/c I also eat much whole wheat bread which is rich in phytic acid)

 

[MS]

Good idea. I'm guessing you already know this, but it helps if you can separate high calcium foods (or calcium containing supps) from your other mineral supps and high phytate foods.

 

[SteelWeaver]

How long do you think is adequate? An hour? Two?

 

[anthrax]

IMHO either you take your minerals sup. before eating high phytate foods or you wait until those foods are digested (a few hours)

 

[MS]

Yeah, I agree with Anthrax. Steel, this is one of the main reasons why that diet I outlined for you does not have veggies with every meal, and why I told you to cut back on the frequent tofu intake. Veggies are good, tofu is good, but not with every meal!

 

[SteelWeaver]

Aaaahhh, I see. I knew there was a reason you'd put the supps in those specific places, but had so many other questions, didn't get around to asking.

So if I'm taking ZMA at night, first, is that a good idea, second, my last meal at night is 100g cottage cheese, so when should I take the ZMA? An hour before?

 

[anthrax]

ZMA is useless (unless you are Zn defficient) and not worth the $

you'd better buy separetly Zn (monomethionine or aspartate) and Mg (aspartate)

 

[MS]

An hour before your cottage cheese is fine. I don't know exactly what's in "ZMA", but I agree that good quality Zn, Iron and Mg supps are not expensive.

 

[SteelWeaver]

ZMA

Amount Per MEN'S Serving
Zinc (as/ -monomethionine and aspartate): 30mg
Magnesium (as asparate): 450mg
Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine HDI): 10.5mg

Multiply by 0.667 for Women's Serving amounts
(1/3 less)

Thank you both - good point about buying them separately Anthrax - I'm slowly starting to realise that anything I choose to supplement with is available out there somewhere for much less than supplement companies would have us believe it really costs.

BTW, just for interest's sake - what are proteases? Enzymes, but do they have names? I read something weird in a mag the other day about ... Bromian (??? - sorry, I can't remember exactly what it was called) an enzyme, that a guy used to make a cyst go away. Probably all anecdotal, but suddenly I'm seeing all this stuff about enzymes.

When I was a kid, my mom used papaya skin to make our warts go away ... enzymes, she said.

 

[anthrax]

Here is a definition of proteases (from proteases.net)

Proteases or peptidases are enzymes that catalyze the breakdown of peptide bonds (proteolysis). Proteases are essential to physiologic processes such as inflammation, infection, fertilization, allergic reactions, cell growth and death, blood clotting, tumor growth and bone remodeling.

Some proteases are very specific and produce a limited proteolysis while others degrade proteins completely into amino acids.

Proteases can generally be classed into two catagories:
1) exopeptidases that cleave off amino acids from the ends of the protein chain, or
2) endopeptidases, which cleave peptide bonds within the protein. Proteases are further classified according to their mechanism of action.

Serine proteases; eg., chymotrypsin, trypsin, elastase, subtilisin
Cysteine (thiol) proteases; eg., bromelain, papain, cathepsins, parasitic proteases, bacterial virulence factors
Aspartic proteases; eg., pepsin, cathepsins, renin, fungal and viral proteases
Metallo-proteases; eg., thermolysin