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monteman

monteman

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Do you have to get sore muscles to gain mass (muscles)? My friend says his muscles never get sore but he's also having trouble increasing his bench weight. Also, my muscles seem to ALWAYS be sore! Is there anything I can do to lessen the pain the day after.
Thanks for your help!
 
Where are you people getting this shit? Stretching isn't going to help you with mass gain.

Soreness is NOT necessary for mass gain. Jesus christ, I feel like this is covered DAILY. You don't need to be sore. Eat good, wholesome food often, and a lot of it. Progress your weights upward. Don't do any isolation movements. Focus on the heavy, compound lifts. That's it.

To reduce soreness, do some active recovery, stretch a bit, or do some light cardio.
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Where are you people getting this shit? Stretching isn't going to help you with mass gain.

Soreness is NOT necessary for mass gain. Jesus christ, I feel like this is covered DAILY. You don't need to be sore. Eat good, wholesome food often, and a lot of it. Progress your weights upward. Don't do any isolation movements. Focus on the heavy, compound lifts. That's it.

To reduce soreness, do some active recovery, stretch a bit, or do some light cardio.
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yo different shit works for different people i gained 25 pounds of lean mass lifting with DC's routine and stretching so shut your mouth
 
Haha you're relatively new here, so I think you should be the one learning to shut your mouth, bitch. I made a comment on your bullshit statement about stretching adding mass. DC's routine works. The stretching helps reduce soreness. You didn't gain any of those 25 lbs. of muscle from the extreme stretching, douche bag.
 
Tom Treutlein said:
No, because you're inferior.
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Thats fucking hilarious

Inferior.

i think Tom has 1 up on you.
 
he does my friend, i hope you guys get off on this shit as much as i do!!!!! i love making all you guys feel better about yourselves through an elitefitness discussion posting...
 
Your kind of a bonner aren't you? You must be angry cause you were that kid that got picked on a lot in the back of the bus huh. It's ok man let it go.

The first step to recovery is acceptance. You are inferior. It's ok. Just move on.

Any by the way dumb ass. Stretching will not make you gain.

Dumbest shit I have heard all day.
 
alright im done with this shit i want all of you to contact DC (the god of lifting) and tell him his whole routine is "inferior" and that "the first step to recovery is acceptance." then we can talk but untill then go earn your GED. peace
 
wtf??
 
Agreed, psychedout. The kid is pathetic.

Hahaha DC is a good man, but he's certainly no "god of lifting". Child, you really must learn a thing or two before trying to talk down to any of us. No one said his routine is inferior, you douche bag, just you.

And you bitch about "higher education"? Hmm, well first off, my good buddy gigantasor up there made what we call a typo! Here's what a typo is: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=typo

You rank on people who do things by accident? Damn. Then go yell at your parents man, 'cause I'm sure no on wanted to bring you into this world intentionally.

GED? Last I knew, part of the quest for the almighty GED was sentence correcting. You know, proper punctuation and some such. Can you do that? I can. :)

EDIT: Oh, and 'cause I'm such a good man, here's a helpful tool for you, liftingfreak. http://www.funbrain.com/numbers.html
 
First - this thread is over the top, we can disagree but still get along

Second - soreness has no correlation to a good training stimulus or workout. It is more a function of low frequency and high volume (i.e. training a body part each week and doing applying significant volume). Try training with increased frequency but lower volume per workout (i.e. squat 3x per week) - you won't be very sore after you acclimate and if you setup the program right you're squat will skyrocket (and this is key, for an experienced lifter it is not enough to go in and work hard no matter how good your split or exercise selection is - a systematic program accounting for volume and intensity is essential).

Third - no matter your religion you can rest assured that the God of Lifting is not a BBer.
 
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Tom Treutlein said:
Where are you people getting this shit? Stretching isn't going to help you with mass gain.

Soreness is NOT necessary for mass gain. Jesus christ, I feel like this is covered DAILY. You don't need to be sore. Eat good, wholesome food often, and a lot of it. Progress your weights upward. Don't do any isolation movements. Focus on the heavy, compound lifts. That's it.

To reduce soreness, do some active recovery, stretch a bit, or do some light cardio.
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Nice one Tom, as soon as I read freak's that post I said "fuck off!" to my self. I was about to straighten things when I read the above.
 
Someone needs to get this guy some Midol or a sanitary napkin or something.

Good job on the spell checking bud. Now if you would just put that much attention into your training we wouldn't be having this conversation would we.

Madcow2 good post bro.

Oh, and by the way liftingfreak1983, send more negative karma my way and I'll track you down and cut your fucking head off with a spork you little queer!

Tom thanks for correcting the little coat hanger. Take it like a man.


Little bastard has me spell checking everything now.
 
Ok thanks for the help guys and gal! But the bottom line here...

Do you have to get sore to gain muscle?
If you don't get sore, are you not working out right?

Thanks a million!

And kids....try not to fight!
 
So, what is the cause of this pointless and annoying physiological phenomenon?

After spending over two soreness-free months benching and overhead-pressing hard enough to set personal records, this Monday I did a few sets of overhead barbell triceps extensions. I didn't blast away to failure (probably around 6 reps x3) and yet it resulted in three days of harsh triceps soreness.

So what different would have been happening to the muscles and muscle fibres that would cause the soreness just from doing an exercise they weren't acclimatized to? I know from experience that soreness isn't necessary or even necessarily good for growth but what is it indicating? Is there a way to use soreness as a positive indicator to help guide your workouts?
 
I agree with everything you wrote but I don't really qualify as untrained anymore and my triceps had been working hard with pressing exercises 3 days a week for over two months on the madcow 5x5 program. They then go and get sore from a small handful of sets of a muscle-specific exercise while I'm trying to take it easy during a couple of weeks of deloading. This wasn't something I expected.

I'm just wondering whether there's any benefit or sense to gleam from the experience.
 
Thanks for that read.

I'm not a believer of microtrauma being the cause of DOMS since that leaves no explanation for being able to train through (mild) DOMS and have the soreness lessen after the workout or, similarly, doing cardio on an off-day with the same effect. That would suggest some flushing effect with passing blood (presumably along with some extra nutrients) through the affected musles.

Another very stange DOMS effect I've noticed over the years is having worked a muscle and not had DOMS hit me until I have a meal on the following day and not necessarily the first meal. I can have gone through the day just fine and after eating some protein-rich meal the muscle strongly reminds me that I'd recently worked it. It only seems to happen after a protein-rich meal as though the body has sent the emergency supplies right to where they're needed.
 
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