Some things on my mind...

[under_dawg]

Here are a couple things I am wondering about, and maybe somone can help me out here....maybe the answers are obvious but i can't figure it out...

1. as I believe was brought up in another post by Nelson, we are seeing the amounts of steroids being used going up and up...why are we not seeing an equivalent number of better physiques...lately a lot of people have been posting their pics and i'm expecting great things because of the amount of AAS these people are using, but i'm being let down more and more. What's going on? How come the bb's in the 60-70s have such great physiques on minimal gear. what were they doing differently?

2. The other thing that is really bothering is me is how someone can prescribe a specific dose of AAS without having blood work done. If the difference in endogenous testosterone can vary four-fold... why would someone on the low end of that scale use the same doses as someone on the high-end of that scale?? Shouldn't baseline values affect the doses we take? am i missing something here?

anyone have any insight?
UD

 

[Deleted member 33117]

People's training methods today are inferior. You have people doing silly things such as training a body part once a week while on steroids.

Another factor to consider is, when you look at the old pictures of the pro's, those are in season pictures of the elite of the time. Look at the averge juicehead from the era, who was not a pro, and compair him to the pictures of some of the EF members and you will see the difference. I have a friend who likes to use a gram of test a week on cycle, and stacks with any or all of the following: eq, winstrol, tren, hgh. He hit al all time massive bodyweight of 205 on his last cycle (about 2 grams total with 4 iu's hgh) at 5'11" 20% bodyfat (an estamate, he has a bit of a gut. He trains extremely hard, but lacks anything resembling a decent diet and his genetics are less than exceptional. His gyno developing very nicely though.

 

[fuckinfreak]

bodybyfinaplix if u don't mind me askin whats ur workout routine look like while on mine is the same on or off while on i just do three or four more sets and of course more weight but i train mon chest tues deadlifts calves and shrugs wed back bis thrus squats leg press and calves and leg machines fri shoulders tris sat abs forearms a light day and sun off i think this is a good routine but hey i could be wrong i do one bodypart a week mainly becase i am a full time student and work on the weekends so time is not in my favor but i guess thats just and excuse well anyway let me know

 

[cdownie927]

I would also like to see your training routine, because I still train my body parts once a week with higher weight and more sets, the only thing I train more than once a week is calves and abs, and personally I think training more bigger bodyparts will cause some one to over train

 

[under_dawg]

2. The other thing that is really bothering is me is how someone can prescribe a specific dose of AAS without having blood work done. If the difference in endogenous testosterone can vary four-fold... why would someone on the low end of that scale use the same doses as someone on the high-end of that scale?? Shouldn't baseline values affect the doses we take? am i missing something here?

anyone have any insight?
UD

bumping this cuz someone's gotta have an answer...

 

[thx9000]

#1:
Here are my thoughts, and they might be a bit naïve. Over the past few decades we as a society have changed our views on beauty. The rules have become more rigid. Today we increasing demand perfection, not just “very attractive”. Our views of beauty have also change too, at one time a tanned muscular body wasn’t as appealing as it meant you were a laborer and of a socially lower class, today it is attractive. There was a time when Twiggy was the idea woman, Marilyn Monroe was once hot. I’m not sure they would be considered so today. So, we have changed in what we find appealing and we have changed in how loosely we define it. We demand perfection of ourselves and others.

Mass media has helped promulgate these images, it reinforces the stereotypes. It also has opened the doors to all the “tools” cosmetic surgery, cosmetic drugs, etc. It all seems so easy, if you are just willing to break a few laws. Problem is nothing is easier than it was in the 60’s and 70’s. The tools are just easier to come by but you still need discipline.

People assume that the drugs will make things easier, a magic solution to all their BB needs. This simple isn’t the case. If you don’t have the disciple and knowledge the drugs will actually send you in the wrong direction (fatter at least) quicker than you would have ever guessed. Their were probably a LOT fewer guys participating in this scene in the 60’s and 70’s but, of those, many probably had the discipline to succeed. Before there were drugs there was only one way to succeed, discipline. Today, everyone jumps on the bandwagon thinking it will be so easy. I’m not trying to sound arrogant when I have failed to meet a goal the consistent reason has always been a lack of discipline, failure to follow my own rules. Not a lack of knowledge, simply a lack of follow through.

#2:
People are lazy and cheap. The younger guys assume that risks aren’t something that they have to worry about, all the rules apply to someone else.

 

[alltraps]

Re: Re: Some things on my mind...

#1:
Here are my thoughts, and they might be a bit naïve. Over the past few decades we as a society have changed our views on beauty. The rules have become more rigid. Today we increasing demand perfection, not just “very attractive”. Our views of beauty have also change too, at one time a tanned muscular body wasn’t as appealing as it meant you were a laborer and of a socially lower class, today it is attractive. There was a time when Twiggy was the idea woman, Marilyn Monroe was once hot. I’m not sure they would be considered so today. So, we have changed in what we find appealing and we have changed in how loosely we define it. We demand perfection of ourselves and others.

Mass media has helped promulgate these images, it reinforces the stereotypes. It also has opened the doors to all the “tools” cosmetic surgery, cosmetic drugs, etc. It all seems so easy, if you are just willing to break a few laws. Problem is nothing is easier than it was in the 60’s and 70’s. The tools are just easier to come by but you still need discipline.

People assume that the drugs will make things easier, a magic solution to all their BB needs. This simple isn’t the case. If you don’t have the disciple and knowledge the drugs will actually send you in the wrong direction (fatter at least) quicker than you would have ever guessed. Their were probably a LOT fewer guys participating in this scene in the 60’s and 70’s but, of those, many probably had the discipline to succeed. Before there were drugs there was only one way to succeed, discipline. Today, everyone jumps on the bandwagon thinking it will be so easy. I’m not trying to sound arrogant when I have failed to meet a goal the consistent reason has always been a lack of discipline, failure to follow my own rules. Not a lack of knowledge, simply a lack of follow through.

#2:
People are lazy and cheap. The younger guys assume that risks aren’t something that they have to worry about, all the rules apply to someone else.

couldnt have said it better myself!

 

[under_dawg]

Re: Re: Some things on my mind...

#1:
Here are my thoughts, and they might be a bit naïve. Over the past few decades we as a society have changed our views on beauty. The rules have become more rigid. Today we increasing demand perfection, not just “very attractive”. Our views of beauty have also change too, at one time a tanned muscular body wasn’t as appealing as it meant you were a laborer and of a socially lower class, today it is attractive. There was a time when Twiggy was the idea woman, Marilyn Monroe was once hot. I’m not sure they would be considered so today. So, we have changed in what we find appealing and we have changed in how loosely we define it. We demand perfection of ourselves and others.

Mass media has helped promulgate these images, it reinforces the stereotypes. It also has opened the doors to all the “tools” cosmetic surgery, cosmetic drugs, etc. It all seems so easy, if you are just willing to break a few laws. Problem is nothing is easier than it was in the 60’s and 70’s. The tools are just easier to come by but you still need discipline.

People assume that the drugs will make things easier, a magic solution to all their BB needs. This simple isn’t the case. If you don’t have the disciple and knowledge the drugs will actually send you in the wrong direction (fatter at least) quicker than you would have ever guessed. Their were probably a LOT fewer guys participating in this scene in the 60’s and 70’s but, of those, many probably had the discipline to succeed. Before there were drugs there was only one way to succeed, discipline. Today, everyone jumps on the bandwagon thinking it will be so easy. I’m not trying to sound arrogant when I have failed to meet a goal the consistent reason has always been a lack of discipline, failure to follow my own rules. Not a lack of knowledge, simply a lack of follow through.

#2:
People are lazy and cheap. The younger guys assume that risks aren’t something that they have to worry about, all the rules apply to someone else.

#1. i agree and disagree: with more emphasis placed on physical appearance, more knowledge and more potent drugs...why are there still so many shitty physiques out there?? you'd think that with the value society has placed on aesthetics and the extremes people are willing to go to in order to acheive the "ideal" physique that it would be just the opposite (rare to see a shitty physique)

#2 i'm not only talking about newbies here: even guys getting blood tests done still don't base the amount of exogenous test they are putting into their bodies by what their baseline values are. Is there a correlation between the two? in other words does having your natural test levels checked tell you anything about the doses you should be taking?

 

[thx9000]

Re: Re: Re: Some things on my mind...

#1. i agree and disagree: with more emphasis placed on physical appearance, more knowledge and more potent drugs...why are there still so many shitty physiques out there?? you'd think that with the value society has placed on aesthetics and the extremes people are willing to go to in order to acheive the "ideal" physique that it would be just the opposite (rare to see a shitty physique)

I still think this is simply a failure to follow-through and discipline one’s self. There is a lot of pressure, to look a certain way, etc. But people are always looking for the next easy way out. They aren't always willing to commit themselves to the degree that's required. I don’t think people look at 1g a week of test as an “extreme” anymore. An extreme would be not going out to the bar on Friday and Saturday night, committing to a diet that’s 97% on target instead of 60% etc. They look at the areas where they drop the ball (shitty diet while on, etc) and tell themselves “sure I really should eat better…but I will just do a cutter next, clen will fix my problems and if not that there’s always DNP”. Sure there are many people on this board for whom this isn’t the case (they know what to do, and they commit to it) but I am willing to bet that for each of them there’s another 4 guys at 20% BF who think they should start out with 75mg tren ED and clen for 8wk, then do their first bulking cycle in 3mo, etc. I’ve talked to too many of these people. Their plans include going from 20% bf to 6% in 6mo and gaining 20lbs lean mass within a year. They get angry when you discuss diet or training.

#2 i'm not only talking about newbies here: even guys getting blood tests done still don't base the amount of exogenous test they are putting into their bodies by what their baseline values are. Is there a correlation between the two? in other words does having your natural test levels checked tell you anything about the doses you should be taking?

Yeah, you are right I doubt people are basing cycles on their baseline test levels. I'm not sure how important that is. I find it more interesting that people wont pay any attention to their lipid profile and use that as a guage when decided how much of whatever they choose to do.

 

[dzuljas]

i think a lot of guys on this board are "on" too many times during the year. They are afraid that they wont make gains naturally. Their body builds a resistance to the AAS and they need more juice to grow on their next cycle.

 

[Quadsweep]

Here are a couple things I am wondering about, and maybe somone can help me out here....maybe the answers are obvious but i can't figure it out...

1. as I believe was brought up in another post by Nelson, we are seeing the amounts of steroids being used going up and up...why are we not seeing an equivalent number of better physiques...lately a lot of people have been posting their pics and i'm expecting great things because of the amount of AAS these people are using, but i'm being let down more and more. What's going on? How come the bb's in the 60-70s have such great physiques on minimal gear. what were they doing differently?

2. The other thing that is really bothering is me is how someone can prescribe a specific dose of AAS without having blood work done. If the difference in endogenous testosterone can vary four-fold... why would someone on the low end of that scale use the same doses as someone on the high-end of that scale?? Shouldn't baseline values affect the doses we take? am i missing something here?

anyone have any insight?
UD

#1 I think a big reason is people do not wait long enough before starting AAS use. They do not pay their dues, they have not earned it. i know I am talking about a lot of guys here but if you started AAs use before at least 5 years hard core, non-stop training you fucked up. I waited 12 years before I started and I am glad I did. i had a great base to build off of. I also think a lot of guys train like pussies and eat like shit.


#2 I do not think this is a huge factor. If you start slow and work your way up you will know if you have good receptor affinity. I gained 27# in 8 weeks off of 250mg sust a week and kept 20#. If you have poor receptor affinity it will not matter if you use 2000mg test a week. This is why I always suggest low dose cycles to newbies.

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[Quadsweep]

People's training methods today are inferior. You have people doing silly things such as training a body part once a week while on steroids.

Another factor to consider is, when you look at the old pictures of the pro's, those are in season pictures of the elite of the time. Look at the averge juicehead from the era, who was not a pro, and compair him to the pictures of some of the EF members and you will see the difference. I have a friend who likes to use a gram of test a week on cycle, and stacks with any or all of the following: eq, winstrol, tren, hgh. He hit al all time massive bodyweight of 205 on his last cycle (about 2 grams total with 4 iu's hgh) at 5'11" 20% bodyfat (an estamate, he has a bit of a gut. He trains extremely hard, but lacks anything resembling a decent diet and his genetics are less than exceptional. His gyno developing very nicely though.

I disagree, I train everything one a week but I do not train body parts that work together. I do this split Chest /Bis, Back/calves, shoulder/tris, Legs. This way everything gets hit twice (except legs and they are sore for 3-4 days) I have always done this and I think it has worked well for me. I have been told I train like a mother fucker but I just do what it feels like I need to be doing...torchering myself!

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