I would do a search, both MOD and IronMaster have written extensively about growth.
Old post from IronMaster:
GROWTH HORMONES
Some of the answers to posts that I read here just amaze me.
GH is extremely effective when combined with a proper stack of steroids and insulin......in fact GH and insulin account for the radical difference in appearance of today's pros, compared to the oldtimers. In the Yaraheski study, GH was only administered for 2 weeks to healthy weight trained athletes - anyone who uses GH knows that it takes 8 weeks, at least, to see results.
GH alone is not used as a mass builder, but rather, to change body comp from fat to lean.
With gear, it will make you big and lean....period. I have 10 years personal experience.
Oh, 126 iu costs approximately 600.00. You do the math, 9iu daily, 5 on 2 off, will cost 3600. , not 19000. Good results with gear and insulin will be achieved with 4.5 iu daily, so the cycle of GH will actually cost 1800.
Yes, the older lifter will derive more benefit. At my age, I produce 60% less than a 25 year old does, naturally.
There is no way I stay big and lean at 51 without GH.
Brother, I usually do three 12 week cycles a year of GH. I am never completely off gear however. No, the same dose does fine for me. I will sometimes use 6 or 9iu for a cycle if leaness is my primary consideration, but I still get good results from 4.5 iu a day. GH is quite effective when site injected. Want to lose love handles, for example, inject directly there. Causes adipose tissue atrophy at the spot of injection.
To create the ideal phsyique requires the use of symbiotic ingredients. Insulin is very useful with GH, because GH causes insulin resistence when used alone. You can't grow without it. Also, an oral steroid should be used, because orals trigger the release of IGF-1, also down regulated by growth hormone. Then of course, plenty of test, as well.
The studies in the field of GH are useless to us, because most are for sick people, people with non-functioning pituitary glands, and do not combine steroids in the study. One study that involved GH and supplemental insulin growth factors showed significant growth of lean body mass. Throw in the gear, and you will get excellent results.
For young people, a 10 to 12 week cycle of GH once a year, say, in the spring, for summer leanness is just fine.
No, stretch, not at all. I understood what you were saying. Really the only thing that grabbed me was the 19000 price quote for the cycle, and I don't fault the fellow that posted that. That was the $ amount mentioned in the article from which that Yasashescki study was taken over at T-Mag. So, if that person had not actual priced the stuff, he would have no way to know.
Some people are genetically disposed to carry localized fat deposits, as in the love handle area. Believe me, you can do cardio and thermogenics till you drop and not lose them completely....I have tried. This is just a side beneft of GH, but certainly not the sole reason to use GH. Liposuction is the only one time way to get rid of those friggin handles. I split my dose between each side, get my woman to inject where I can't reach, and over a period of several light cycles, they pretty much dissappeared.
I am a huge fan of GH for anti-aging. My skin looks better, fewer wrinkles, I am lean, which is hard to accomplish at my age, my tendons are thickened to the point where I can go heavy on my lifts without injury, and it has pretty much eliminated the adipose tissue that I couldn't get rid of.
Not as essential for young men, but it's great for us old farts.
Hey, sirwanksalot, you are so right. All the Hollywood types use GH religiously to keep looking young. And these clinics rape you on the price. I can actually get my GH cheaper on the black market. Hell, that clinic in florida charges 400 bucks for a 54cc/18iu kit.....what a fucking joke. I can get 126 iu made in the good old USA for 650 tops.
decem; I'm not here to blow my own horn, but I'm 5'11, 240, as you can see in my pic there, I'm not carrying much body fat, and will be 52 soon. But, I have been training and using gear off and on for almost 30 years - so my results are a product of time spent in the gym as much as anything.
I got 405 for 3 reps yest. on the bench, my squat is off due to hitting a nerve in the quad a while back while injecting, but I'm respectable in most lifts still. My 20 year old son who is natural, kills me in the gym. He can clean and jerk my bench weight.
Costs for gear? I dunno, maybe 10k.
td24, I have heard you were quite good. I think the radical look the pros bring to the shows these days are from insulin and GH, and EPO. Throw in the t3 and you can get that big, lean, paper-thin skin look that wins these days. I would surely suggest you try it, since you are serious about this lifestyle. Takes a lot of balls to walk out on that stage, doesn't it?
My good friend Krusher, who is a vet here is only 29 and gets outstanding results from this cycle.
td, I talk to competitors all over, and your name was mentioned as a real up and coming young man. I like serostim GH, small volume shots and doesn't require refrigeration prior to reconstitution.
Humalog insulin is by far the best way to go with insulin. It's very fast, so timing carbs, proteins and fats is simple.
I would start with 4.5iu GH and work up to 6, and finally 9 the last few weeks, dropping the insulin. The GH will shread you if your diet and cardio is there.
Insulin - start at 4iu and work up 1 iu a day to about 10. Stop increasing if you feel hypoglycemic and go to am and after lifting shots. Take the GH with the second shot. My cycle starts with GH, humalog, suspension and anadrol, then prop, and cypro or sustanon. Check the mirror about half way through and adjust the slin and steroids if needed, finish with tren, eq, and winstrol along with the GH.
John, for guys our age, GH is extremely effective. I had plateaued on gear 10 years ago. GH with light insulin supplementation took me to a new level. As you may be noticing, it's almost impossible to get big and still stay lean at 50.
GH is the cure. Also, my wrinkles have smoothed, my wrists and ankles are thicker and stronger so i can lift heavy......
...and no sides.
Some of the younger guys get sore joints because they already produce a good amount of hormone naturally.........but not us.
As far as research, I can cite you to 30 studies that are meaningless to us, like the one Weams referenced. They all involve folks with wasting diseases, or people with non-functioning pituitary glands. They don't test weight trainers or the results using insulin or steroids.
Or, there are company sites, like seronousa.com, that tell about the product and some of the research. Or, the board archives - some useful stuff, some nonsense. Most of what I say is from personal experience.....trial and error, and knowledge I have aquired from the literature about the synergy with other compounds.
For example, most of the med. journal articles mention the importance of IGF-1 with growth hormone, and that the body often responds to a sudden surge of GH by down regulating IGF production. It is known that oral steroids like dbol trigger substantial releases of IGF during the first pass through the liver. Logic dictates that we supplement with an oral steroid. Same with insulin. I added an additional 8 pounds of lean gains the first time I used a light dose of insulin with the GH. Again, because the literature indicates that GH causes insulin desensitivity. Let me know if you want some of these journal citations and I'll dig them up. You are a chiropractor, right? You would probably like reading this stuff. Hey, let me know if you need anything.
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