Some advice needed.....please

[musclemass22]

I just recieved the following:
All 20m/l vials
(1) Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - -boldenone undecylenate) 400mg/ml
(2)Propionate-100 mg/ml
Clomid-100 ct 50mg
(Liqui-Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - already on hand)

The questions I have are:
Can I build a decent cycle out of this and can anyone put together the weeks/dosages for me? I have been told that Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - should be run at 500-600mg ew for 14-16 weeks. At that pace I could only get about 13 wks in. The test I was thinking of running in the 400-500mg range. Also, my PCT - post cycle therapy - in the past has been really lagging. Trying to get it right this time. I have lifted hard for the last 6 years, competing in several bb shows. Right now I'm sitting at 5'8", 178lbs. Everytime I have tried to bulk in the past, I start to notice fat gains and scale back the calories. I am ready for a little extra help and ready to eat like a horse. I have a little prior experience w/aas...test/eq, test/tren but I was not well informed. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions

 

[BigGuyPHX]

Stick around bro there are some good guys here.
I cant help you with the Equipoise or prop but Im sure someone will.
BigGuyPHX

 

[Varga]

Test prop is not the best choice to run a 12 weeker cycle man, especially when pinning EOD. I mean you can run it, but I would also pin EQ EOD too so that the EQ will dilute the prop somehow for less pain. Can you get test cyp or enth?

Tust me after a while you will get tired pinning EOD, especially prop
IMO, this combo is not the best, not in terms of results but in terms of pain and pinning. The most you want to use prop is 4-8weeks. You can accomplish the same thing with cyp or enth with a little estrogen control

 

[perryscoon]

Test testosterone propionate is not the best choice to run a 12 weeker cycle man, especially when pinning EOD. I mean you can run it, but I would also pin Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - EOD too so that the EQ will dilute the testosterone propionate somehow for less pain. Can you get test testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate?

Tust me after a while you will get tired pinning EOD, especially testosterone propionate
IMO, this combo is not the best, not in terms of results but in terms of pain and pinning. The most you want to use testosterone propionate is 4-8weeks. You can accomplish the same thing with testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate with a little estrogen control

There is nothing wrong with pinning EoD or ED. Many, many bro's on this board do it all the time. Test prop is awesome stuff. You see results in as little as 3 days due to the quick acting ester. You can't beat it.

 

[Selfcentor]

I think some overseas company sent you my order...Cause thas pretty much what i ordered and have not recieved in a longggggg time haha

 

[xrsist]

you need more gear bro

 

[musclemass22]

More gear? Damn, already dropped lots of cash on it but I am definitely wanting to do this right. What would you suggest? I initially was going to order the cypionate but was advised to try the prop. I have read a lot of threads about the annoying frequent injections. I like needles though What else could/should I add?

Also, I have really fucked up pct in the past. ED and libido issues real bad for a couple months. Is the clomid and liqui-nolvi sufficient? No hcg available at the moment. Thanks a lot for your help everyone

 

[Varga]

There is nothing wrong with pinning EoD or ED. Many, many bro's on this board do it all the time. Test testosterone propionate is awesome stuff. You see results in as little as 3 days due to the quick acting ester. You can't beat it.

"There is nothing wrong with pinning EoD or ED." Really?
Have you done a cycle of test prop for 12 weeks pinning ED? If yes I would like to hear how it went for you.......buddy!

 

[MichaelScott]

why did u get stuff if u didnt know what to do with it? i can never figure that one out

 

[Acela]

unless my math is off, you could run:

e/q weeks 1-16 @ 500 mg (which, BTW should be enough)
test weeks 1-16 @ 250 mg (because of the short ester clearance though the e/q will be lingering for 2-3 weeks by itself)

everyone here is right abvout EOD or ED. this is exactly wy i only run long esters.

or you could do the test for 18 weeks @ 222 mgs (obviously tough to gauge out)

you could shoot MWF and draw the oil to the 7th line (7/10's of a full CC) and you'll get 210 ish EW. if its UG then you may luck out with it being overdosed.

obviously none of this is ideal and if possible get more test

good luck with those pinnings. shoot the e/q w/ the prop to cut the injection pain of the prop

 

[musclemass22]

I can get some more test. Should I go with more propionate, or should I try something else? I have used cypionate in the past for 10 week cycle. Have never used propionate though. Iam now wishing I would have went with cyp to begin with. Also, if I run that eq for 16 weeks and the test for 18 weeks, is the pct that I have on hand sufficient?

 

[Varga]

bro,
test cyp is identical in results as test prop, test is test.
Prop is just faster acting thus will not bloat you up much.
Prop will not blow you up anymore than test cyp would

Here is a typical cycle with prop

1-4 test prop
1-16 test Cyp
1-16 test EQ
16-19 test prop
The only reason to use prop is to let the long ester cyp clear your system at the end while you still have a steady plasma level in your system and have a quick start in the begining.

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

There is nothing wrong with pinning EoD or ED. Many, many bro's on this board do it all the time. Test testosterone propionate is awesome stuff. You see results in as little as 3 days due to the quick acting ester. You can't beat it.

I agree + IMO ...it the best for the first cycle too ...for if you have an adverse reaction, it's easy to discontinue or to adjust doses down

...or up

 

[musclemass22]

Well, I'm thinking of hanging on to the propionate now to use with a shorter cycle in the future. 18 wks of pinning eod or ed could get painful and annoying. How often do I have to pin enanthate or cypionate, 2x week? Also, no one has commented on the pct yet. Do you guys feel that would be sufficient?

 

[socket]

Well, I'm thinking of hanging on to the propionate now to use with a shorter cycle in the future. 18 wks of pinning eod or ed could get painful and annoying. How often do I have to pin enanthate or cypionate, 2x week? Also, no one has commented on the PCT - post cycle therapy - yet. Do you guys feel that would be sufficient?

Jesus man, you need to sit down and plan BEFORE ordering stuff. You seem hesitant to spend more money, but heres what needs to happen:

14 weeks of test. a longer acting ester will be far cheaper
16wks Eq 600mgs wk.

You need to get your pc.t sorted before you go on cycle, and get some anti-e's incase of estrogen problems. You need to get some HC.G sorted too, and vits, minerals, protein powders, etc.

You are not ready for this cycle yet. Get prepared, get your diet sorted, then hit it proper, and hit it hard.

 

[musclemass22]

Don't question my knowledge about diet and training. I'm new to gear, not hard work in the gym and knowledge of nutrition. I'm slowly learning, so cut me a little slack. Money is not an issue and I'm not rushing into this cycle. I had a very knowledgeable member recommend the propionate. He warned of the painful injections and the frequency but thought for the results I wanted, it was a good choice

 

[musclemass22]

I do appreciate your help though so keep firing if you have any more advice. I just wanted to let it be known that I'm not some young kid looking for some magic pills. Thanks again

 

[xrsist]

whats your current diet look like bro?

 

[musclemass22]

6-8 meals p/day
(1)Breakfast: 3 whole eggs,5 whites w/1 c/oats
train
(pwo)2scps whey, 1c/oats w/honey

(2) head of lettuce w/1 can tuna, mixed veggies and flax oil and 1 c/oats

(3) 1 whole egg, 5 whites, 2 c broccoli, 1/2 c oats

(4) Some kind of lean protein source...steak, burger, fish. chicken, broccoli, and flax oil

(5) 2 scps musclemilk meal replacement

Last show I dieted for 14 wks and ate only the following foods:
Eggs, chicken, fish
Brown rice, yams, oats
broccoli, lettuce, green beans
Flax oil for my fat

My diet is pretty much the same as my show diets but with more quantity and a little more powders. Obviously now that football season is here, I stray a little bit on Sat/Sun. I work a safety sensitive job so not much alcohol ever

 

[musclemass22]

Right now, I am only eating about 2600-2900 c/p/day. I will be upping that to around 3500-4,000 whenever I decide to run this.

 

[Varga]

I'm not sure what you want for any of us here to tell you........musclemass?????

Test cyp
EQ
HCG
Nolva
clomid
Aromasin or Adex
That's it!!!

 

[musclemass22]

think, I pretty much got what I needed Vargas. The dude asked what my diet looked like and I replied??

 

[Varga]

think, I pretty much got what I needed Vargas. The dude asked what my diet looked like and I replied??

Just ignore these ppl man, I must have misunderstood you!
Good luck and post your final cycle idea. You going to be ok, bro