So "test is test", right?

[emptywallet]

Then decide between these two. which is better for someone looking to gain a clean 10-15 pounds? for a first cycle, this is a buddy of mine, he weighs around 160 and is 24. 100mgs of prop EOD, or 250mgs\week of enanthate? so if test is test, then I'm assuming the 100mgs of prop EOD would be better?

 

[emptywallet]

bump

 

[jersey boy]

Jump start with the prop while taking the E as well. At week three back off the prop, you will not need it as the E will be working full force. The idea in my opinion is to cut sown o the frequency of injects and also the pain from the prop.

 

[flickenu]

correct.

 

[emptywallet]

lets say the pain from the prop and the frequency of injections was not a problem, what then? Prop would definetly hit him up for 10-20 pounds? Lets through some eq at 300mgs a week also. Prop would be better? cus test is just test, right?=)

 

[SwitchedOn]

Is this his first cycle? If so I'd bump up the enth dosage and perhaps increase the prop dosage until the enth kicks in, perhaps 150 EOD.

 

[emptywallet]

Dangit, some people are missing my point here. I'm saying which would be better to take since "test is test" 100mgs of Prop EOD for eight weeks, or 250mgs of enanth for eight weeks. For most people, prop doesnt give water retention and is easier to control. injection frequency and pain dont matter. So which one? 100mgs of prop EOD, or 250mgs of test a week? Going by the test is test theory, then the prop would easily net someone clean gains of 10-20 pounds when matched with eq, right??

 

[spentagn]

The prop. He'll get 800mg more of test total after 8 weeks. Besides, he won't have to worry about waiting for three weeks to notice anything. BUT, if he'd consider revising, I'd go with the frontloading strategy mentioned above.

 

[emptywallet]

=) alright, thats what I thought, more opinions please? Cmon iron game, your the "test is test" theory king, mods cmon....more opinions?

 

[emptywallet]

Bump for more opinions. Any mods ideas?

 

[emptywallet]

one of the reasons why I asked is partly for myself and partly for my buddy, and yes now that I read it my comparison looks really stupid, is I'm interested in what the prop would do at a higher dosage. So lets put it this way, 500mgs of prop a week(split up the dosages to EOD) or 500mgs of enanthate(two injections weekly) a week? If test is just test, then the prop would work wonderfully for me as I tend to get less water retention for some reason and the sides are easier to control. Now what do you think about my question?

 

[The Iron Game]

run the prop daily for 50mgs for 8 weeks, its a mild dose but who knows

 

[emptywallet]

finally your in on this =). Some of your posts about test is test got me thinkin about all this. I guess it all comes down to this, if you took 500mgs of prop a week vs. taking 500mgs of enanth a week, would the lean body mass gains be the same? I know you would get more water and that would make you look larger with the enanth, but would the lean body mass gains be the same? According to the test is test, theory the answer is yes?

 

[BIGbouncer]

You said it yourself, test is test. So how can you say one ester give you more water than an other? Anyway.. You would get more out of doing Prop ED or EOD than Sus, because the prop give you faster gains. More steady levels. And you can start clomid therapy almost instantly after the last injection, instead of waiting for the Sus to get out of the body. You can also control sides better due to the short acting ester.

Maybe you said "enanthate"? Well, still better results with prop.


However, injecting ED for 8 weeks + the pain doesn't sound to joyful.

The best suggestion was prop EOD untill the ent/sus kicks in.

 

[emptywallet]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna expirement on myself and try it EOD or ED. For some reason, I have never had any pain at all from any injection, ever. Shot the two letter dude's 200mg prop before and it didnt even phase me (prolly cus there was way less in it than that) but all my buddies sites swole up huge and hurt like hell, but I didnt feel a thing. Maybe i'm just weird. So, I got one vote on my last comparison toward the prop. Anyone else?

 

[emptywallet]

So, 500mgs/week of prop vs. 500/week mgs of enth? got one vote for prop. My question was would the lean mass gains be the same, and which would you use?

 

[needleboy]

Prop for 2 reasons, it will hit sooner, and you'll have a higher dose @50mg/day X 7 days= 350 mg for the week, as oppased to 250 of enanthate. If you front loaded the enath and then ran at 350-400 per week, they'd be more equal, nbut with the prop you can start clomid immediately, as opposed to waitng 3 weeks to start after the last enanthate shot.

Results should be similar all other things being equal!

 

[CRUSHER]

prop can yeild some great gains,but you shoot so damn much.
enanthate works well for some people and for some it dowsnt..
everybody responds differently to the sauce so its hard to tell what will work best for your goals....
i have found that deca,sus eq and winny work well for me while enathate,dbol and suspension didnt do shit for me....you have to try the liquids and use what works best for you...
Hope this helps bro..

 

[emptywallet]

I think the thing I was just tryin to get through my head was that all tests no matter what the ester, will eventually give the same gains if the same amounts are weekly shot on there release time tables. So basically 500mgs a week of prop will give the same leanbody mass gains as 500mgs week of enth? Only the props works faster and you can start clomid faster.

 

[spentagn]

Well, the enanthate ester is heavier than the prop ester, so if you're talking about how many cc's you measure out of the vial, then the prop would be "stronger." If you're actually talking about 500mg of TEST, it doesn't matter the ester.

 

[The Iron Game]

So, 500mgs/week of prop vs. 500/week mgs of enth? got one vote for prop. My question was would the lean mass gains be the same, and which would you use?

500mgs of prop is not the same as 500mgs of enanthate

there are also factors such as frequency of injection to be taken into account. But yet test is test is test.

 

[ultragainz]

i say that cyp and enath are water drugs...same has susp...prop will give you less water.....

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

"For some reason, I have never had any pain at all from any injection, ever. Shot the two letter dude's 200mg prop before and it didnt even phase me (prolly cus there was way less in it than that) but all my buddies sites swole up huge and hurt like hell, but I didnt feel a thing. Maybe i'm just weird."


its all relative...he should try a shot of prop before he goes and gets a whole cycle of it.


emptywallet: your lack of pain from prop is not weird...I took 5 shots of PGF2a last night and have no clue why everyone is saying it is so painfull...when I was a kid I got bi-weekly allergy shots in the delt, so maybe I'm just desensitized to injection pain.

 

[emptywallet]

500mgs of prop is not the same as 500mgs of enanthate

there are also factors such as frequency of injection to be taken into account. But yet test is test is test.

I think the thing I was just tryin to get through my head was that all tests no matter what the ester, will eventually give the same gains if the same amounts are weekly shot on there release time tables. I.E. prop is EOD where as enth is once or twice a week, so 500mgs of prop (100mgs EOD) should give the same gains as 500mgs of enth (at once a week, or split the 500 into 250 twice a week), right?