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Bush is a pussy for not allowing the opposition to see him speak. Thats the bottom line.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/4925396.html

Nick Coleman, Star Tribune
August 13, 2004

The president was visiting Mankato and Tim Walz wanted to see him. A teacher who has 23 years of service in the National Guard and who recently returned home from overseas, Walz wanted to hear his commander-in-chief.

He did.

But only after being threatened with arrest and subjected to a political interrogation. Welcome home, good and faithful soldier. You may see the president.

But keep your mouth shut.

(Intolerance is nonpartisan, so I make a standing offer to President Bush backers: If you are quashed by Democrats, I will report it.)

Walz, 40, supports John Kerry. But you don't need to know what Walz believes, and neither did the Bush campaign workers who interrogated him when he went to see the president speak in a Mankato quarry on Aug. 4.

The Bush visit was a huge event in Mankato, which had not hosted a president since Harry Truman. Walz got a ticket without trouble, but others were refused because they didn't seem rah-rah enough, including two teens rejected because they were baby Democrats.

One of the kids had his mom get tickets for the boys, in their names. The mom asked Walz to chaperone the boys. But the kids would not get to see the president.

Only supporters got into the quarry where Bush spoke to a sanitized crowd of 7,000. Not one person carried a sign in protest. But one -- one -- listened without applauding. It was Walz, and his thoughts were his own, unless someone was scanning his brain.

"It was uncomfortable," says Walz, who joined the Guard at 17 and teaches geography at Mankato West High School. "Where else in America will you find 7,000 people who agree on anything?"

Walz is a first sergeant in the 125th Field Artillery Battalion in New Ulm. He returned in April from duty providing security at a U.S. base in Italy. He has too much respect for the office of president to heckle one. But he almost got busted for escorting those baby Democrats.

After riding a Bush bus to the quarry, Walz and the kids got off to go through the metal detectors and have their IDs checked. Bush officials took the kids aside and thoroughly inspected them. When one was discovered to have a Kerry sticker on his wallet, they were ordered back onto the bus.

Walz objected, and he was asked to leave, too. "You're not welcome," a Bush guy said. "Get back on the bus."

Walz said he had a right to see the president.

So you support the president? a Bush guy asked. I didn't say that, said Walz. Then you're an opponent? I didn't say that, either, said Walz, thinking it was nobody's business.

"If you don't get on that bus," the guy said, "you'll be detained by the Secret Service for interfering with a presidential event."

"I don't want to get arrested," Walz said. "My wife will get mad because I'm supposed to pick up our daughter [Hope, 3] and make dinner. Do you really want to arrest someone who just got back from overseas, because he wants to see the president?"

The Bush guys backed down. They said they'd do him a favor if he behaved himself. He ignored the insult. They said the Secret Service was watching him. They let him in.

A week later, Walz is appalled by the freedom-loving citizens who say he shouldn't have gone to see the president.

"The attitude is that if you're not a supporter, why would you go? It's really disappointing. What happened to being able to listen to the other side?"

Walz listened. And made up his mind. On Wednesday, he was named Blue Earth County manager of the Kerry campaign. In case you have forgotten how America works, that does not make him disloyal. And no one can say he is not informed.

Unlike many people, Tim Walz has gotten to see the president.
 
IHateAmerica said:
Clinton wasn't any better, COMMUNIST!!!!!

Do you actually have something to add, Scooter?
 
I don't see this as an outrage. I think it's stupid, and now, Walz will try and get as many people to support Kerry as possible.

The Bush team has a policy, and now it will be subject to voting review. They only hurt themselves, it seems.

This is news? Intolerance: this guy is imprisoned without trial.

Was it a bad idea? yeah. is it the end of America? No. Is this a dumb post? sure.

I'm out.
 
He got to see him speak, end of story.

Stop the bitching and whining and go make up a better story.
 
If I decide to host an event I should get to decide who is invited. In this case the president was hosting a rally for his supporters. This wasn't the same as say, dedicating a hospital wing or recognizing somebody for their accomplishments or even talking to the troops. This was a rally for his supporters in preparation for the upcoming election. In this case, he should have the ability to decide who gets an invite.
 
Coverguy said:
If I decide to host an event I should get to decide who is invited. In this case the president was hosting a rally for his supporters. This wasn't the same as say, dedicating a hospital wing or recognizing somebody for their accomplishments or even talking to the troops. This was a rally for his supporters in preparation for the upcoming election. In this case, he should have the ability to decide who gets an invite.
They sold tickets to without any restrictions printed on them. They have been turning away people who paid but don't fit their criteria without refunding their fees.


Bottom line is this repbuplican appointed pres sucks ass.
 
Coverguy said:
If I decide to host an event I should get to decide who is invited. In this case the president was hosting a rally for his supporters. This wasn't the same as say, dedicating a hospital wing or recognizing somebody for their accomplishments or even talking to the troops. This was a rally for his supporters in preparation for the upcoming election. In this case, he should have the ability to decide who gets an invite.

That's fucking hilarious, so Bush and company only support and speak for those that vote for them? This wasn't the GOP convention. He is on a Presidential campaign and every American has the right to see and hear the man who represents them in the White House and is asking for that responsibility to continue. The fourth reich are so sensitive to any dissenting views it's ridiculous. Land of the free!
 
It was broadcast on cspan. He coulda seen it for free.

This guy clearly simply wanted to protest. I'm sure they reserved the right to deny access, 'no shirt, no support, no service".

bluepeter said:
That's fucking hilarious, so Bush and company only support and speak for those that vote for them? This wasn't the GOP convention. He is on a Presidential campaign and every American has the right to see and hear the man who represents them in the White House and is asking for that responsibility to continue. The fourth reich are so sensitive to any dissenting views it's ridiculous. Land of the free!
 
Code said:
It was broadcast on cspan. He coulda seen it for free.

This guy clearly simply wanted to protest. I'm sure they reserved the right to deny access, 'no shirt, no support, no service".

So you can't see him in person unless you're a diehard GOP supporter but you can see the broadcast? Well that's all right then.........lol

Every single American with a vote should be allowed to see the President or a political figure lobbying to represent YOU.

By this logic, only Bush supporters are considered Americans with rights?

Now I don't know whether this guys sole purpose was to protest but so what if it was? That is his right as a taxpayer, someone who is represented by the person campaigning and someone who is affected by the decisions said person is making on a daily basis.

That is part of living in a 'free' society is it not? Having the right to speak out and have your voice heard? Squashing this right seems rather like a dictatorship no?
 
If I hold an event and sell tickets, I have every right to exclude any body I want for any reason I want. It wasn't a public event.

You're suggesting that simply because he's the President, he has less rights than other Americans.



bluepeter said:
So you can't see him in person unless you're a diehard GOP supporter but you can see the broadcast? Well that's all right then.........lol

Every single American with a vote should be allowed to see the President or a political figure lobbying to represent YOU.

By this logic, only Bush supporters are considered Americans with rights?

Now I don't know whether this guys sole purpose was to protest but so what if it was? That is his right as a taxpayer, someone who is represented by the person campaigning and someone who is affected by the decisions said person is making on a daily basis.

That is part of living in a 'free' society is it not? Having the right to speak out and have your voice heard? Squashing this right seems rather like a dictatorship no?
 
Code said:
If I hold an event and sell tickets, I have every right to exclude any body I want for any reason I want. It wasn't a public event.

You're suggesting that simply because he's the President, he has less rights than other Americans.

No, I'm claiming that someone who purportedly represents all Americans should start doing so and cut the Gestapo shit. :)
 
Code said:
If I hold an event and sell tickets, I have every right to exclude any body I want for any reason I want. It wasn't a public event.

You're suggesting that simply because he's the President, he has less rights than other Americans.


so he also had the right to exclude only black people and woman if he wanted

while were at it lets exclude everyone that isn't a white male and doesn't

make over 300,000 a year, after all Bush only wants his people to support him
 
How is it gestapo to excersize his right to bar someone from attending a private affair??


bluepeter said:
No, I'm claiming that someone who purportedly represents all Americans should start doing so and cut the Gestapo shit. :)
 
Code said:
How is it gestapo to excersize his right to bar someone from attending a private affair??
Since when did campaigning for a public job become a private affair?
 
If Bush was selling tickets, and checking to see if those in attendence had tickets.... it was a private affair.



WODIN said:
Since when did campaigning for a public job become a private affair?
 
So what would this Walz guy like? That the Bush team just lets ANYONE in?

Okay, so now you got Kerry supporters. Anti-abortion supporters. You name it. Heckling starts, people start fighting with each other in the crowds. Pushing. Shoving. Secret Service get occupied with the drama in the crowd. Oh shit, someone took advantage of it and shot the president. Who's the dumbass now?

They have a policy and it's for good reason. Wanna hear the President, watch him on TV. No one has the *right* to see him in person. Otherwise we'd all be calling tomorrow asking for our *right*. Tell this schmuck to stop watching so much Micheal Moore. Not everything is some big right-win conspiracy. Some of it is just freakin' common sense, and it's maybe these HIPPIES are *aren't* gettin' it.
 
Code said:
If Bush was selling tickets, and checking to see if those in attendence had tickets.... it was a private affair.
To be a private affair it has to be limited in scope for sells. They are selling tickets to anyone who wants them and holding the events in what are considered public venues. You're line of logic is very thin and without any substance. Its a shell game to put on a fake display of full support which is far from the truth.
 
Razorguns said:
So what would this Walz guy like? That the Bush team just lets ANYONE in?

Okay, so now you got Kerry supporters. Anti-abortion supporters. You name it. Heckling starts, people start fighting with each other in the crowds. Pushing. Shoving. Secret Service get occupied with the drama in the crowd. Oh shit, someone took advantage of it and shot the president. Who's the dumbass now?

They have a policy and it's for good reason. Wanna hear the President, watch him on TV. No one has the *right* to see him in person. Otherwise we'd all be calling tomorrow asking for our *right*. Tell this schmuck to stop watching so much Micheal Moore. Not everything is some big right-win conspiracy. Some of it is just freakin' common sense, and it's maybe these HIPPIES are *aren't* gettin' it.

a little far fetched don't ya think?
they have metal detectors, and just because someone doesn't support Bush doesn't mean a fight will break out
 
Truth is, this guy just wanted to stir shit up. And Bush & Co saw it coming and stuck his wee-wee in the mud.



WODIN said:
To be a private affair it has to be limited in scope for sells. They are selling tickets to anyone who wants them and holding the events in what are considered public venues. You're line of logic is very thin and without any substance. Its a shell game to put on a fake display of full support which is far from the truth.
 
Suddenly, everyone who serves is now mild-mannered and should be nominated for saint-hood?!?!?



Olsen Twins Banger said:
this guy that served his country for over 20 years, wanted to stir shit up

give me a fucking break
 
I've seen more fights and pushing and name-calling break out at political rallies, demonstrations, speeches than anything else. including Slayer concerts.
 
Code said:
Suddenly, everyone who serves is now mild-mannered and should be nominated for saint-hood?!?!?

sweet!

St. MattTheSkywalker
St. Code

what's up bitches?
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
sweet!

St. MattTheSkywalker
St. Code

what's up bitches?
LOL!

Matt,

Are you not in the least bit worried that a man with dyslexia and an IQ at least 60 points below your own has his finger on the button?
 
Code said:
I know, 20 years as a 1st sgt compared to serving as governor AND president.
Don't leave out silver-spoon, AWOL, draft dodger.
 
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