Slin and precontest....work together.

[musclehealth]

A good bro of mine as been messing around with a little bit of slin. He raves about it and is extremely knowlegable. I always like to run things past you guys before I do anything.


1---Can slin be used precontest? I know slin can eather make ur bf% lower
or can add extra fat depending on how resistant you are to it.

2---How does this protocol sound for a simple easy to understand.


-Start out low 2-4IU Post workout.(work way up to no more then 15)
-After the shot...Then take in 10-20g sugar per IU immediatly.(never less then 150) and 50-60g protein with as low fat contest as possible.
-After 25 mins have a meal with 50g protein and another good helping of sugar 10-20g per IU.
-After about an hour or so eat a meal with low fat and moderate complex carbs.

**always have gatorade or something with high sugar on hand up to 5hrs after your shot.
**

As far as dosing schedual, 2x per week max? I hear different views but I think 2x a week post workout would be sufficiant.

 

[Kachunga]

ZERO FAT during the active window of the particular kind of insulin being used.

 

[musclehealth]

ZERO FAT during the active window of the particular kind of insulin being used.

Yes...I hear that 0 fat is the only way 2 do it. Or u will store the fat also. Evcerything else look good?

 

[musclehealth]

Humulin R

 

[gautho]

A good bro of mine as been messing around with a little bit of insulin. He raves about it and is extremely knowlegable. I always like to run things past you guys before I do anything.


1---Can insulin be used precontest? I know insulin can eather make ur bf% lower
or can add extra fat depending on how resistant you are to it.

2---How does this protocol sound for a simple easy to understand.


-Start out low 2-4IU Post workout.(work way up to no more then 15)
-After the shot...Then take in 10-20g sugar per IU immediatly.(never less then 150) and 50-60g protein with as low fat contest as possible.
-After 25 mins have a meal with 50g protein and another good helping of sugar 10-20g per IU.
-After about an hour or so eat a meal with low fat and moderate complex carbs.

**always have gatorade or something with high sugar on hand up to 5hrs after your shot.
**

As far as dosing schedual, 2x per week max? I hear different views but I think 2x a week post workout would be sufficiant.

Why just 2x a week. I inject 2x per day ED.

 

[Kachunga]

Yes...I hear that 0 fat is the only way 2 do it. Or u will store the fat also. Evcerything else look good?

Well I was waiting to see if anyone else was going to offer insight.
I agree with Gautho, use it every day you train.
If you are worried about a problem arising, Start out small.
When I first experimented with insulin, I used 2 iu right after training followed by a carbo force. Then a good meal 45 minutes later. I worked my way up to 10 units ed and I did this for a month. Then I went off for a month (used igf-1lr3 instead of insulin). I cycle the 2.
I did get up to 20 units a day using a morning and then afternoon after workout injection but using Humulin R it was too hard to avoid fat for 8 to 12 hours each day. I felt I was putting on fat size. If I ever do 20 units again I will use Humalog, it should be a lot easier. That reminds me, I need to put my order in

 

[flotown]

I always use 2iu per 10kg of body wieght. I am not as sensitive as most but also working up is very important. Also use dextrose as sugar. I have frutose will store fat. Depending on when you train make sure you get a litte EFA's in your diet. I found first thing in the morning this is great in helping. Will not be stored and balances you. Less chance of going hypo. 10 grams of sugar per iu is all that is needed. This is even overkill. The real number is between 4-5. But be safe with 10. You will also find a lot of guys precontest who take it first thing in morning with no food and do cardio right then for 30mins or so. This puts your body in ketosis. Risky but if eat right when you are done with cardio it will work wonders.

 

[nolimitxxx]

A good bro of mine as been messing around with a little bit of insulin. He raves about it and is extremely knowlegable. I always like to run things past you guys before I do anything.


1---Can insulin be used precontest? I know insulin can eather make ur bf% lower
or can add extra fat depending on how resistant you are to it.

2---How does this protocol sound for a simple easy to understand.


-Start out low 2-4IU Post workout.(work way up to no more then 15)
-After the shot...Then take in 10-20g sugar per IU immediatly.(never less then 150) and 50-60g protein with as low fat contest as possible.
-After 25 mins have a meal with 50g protein and another good helping of sugar 10-20g per IU.
-After about an hour or so eat a meal with low fat and moderate complex carbs.

**always have gatorade or something with high sugar on hand up to 5hrs after your shot.
**

As far as dosing schedual, 2x per week max? I hear different views but I think 2x a week post workout would be sufficiant.

2-3ius with every meal of the day that has at least 50mg of carbs
its ideal to use a good simple/complex mix like Twinlabs Ultra Fuel before and after workout. It's very important that you get at least 150mg of carbs if you increase the dose to no more than 5ius. 3 days on 2 days off - no more than 6 weeks then take two weeks off.

 

[musclehealth]

Why just 2x a week. I inject 2x per day ED.

Do you cycle it year around or do like 6 weeks on 2 off or something like that? I hearded that is I use it ED I train that I can build a tollerence to it. Whats the ideal Slin to use? I have access to any.

 

[Kachunga]

cycle it otherwise your pancreas will stop making it on its own.
Personally I use it 30 days on 30 days off.
Humalog is the best one to use.

 

[flotown]

cycle it otherwise your pancreas will stop making it on its own.
Personally I use it 30 days on 30 days off.
Humalog is the best one to use.

Not True. This is a myth.

 

[musclehealth]

Not True. This is a myth.[/QUOT

so u dont stop its use?....


It takes me about 10 mins 2 get home after my workout.

should I do my slin in my car or wait till I get home?

 

[nolimitxxx]

Not True. This is a myth.[/QUOT

so u dont stop its use?....


It takes me about 10 mins 2 get home after my workout.

should I do my insulin in my car or wait till I get home?

I'll answer both of your questions. First: Is it really worth the risk you’d take, even if there was a slight chance that it isn't a myth? That’s a personal decision that you have to make. Second - the ideal time to take insulin is immediately after your workout or even ten minutes before the end. It’s a small window of opportunity that does make a difference. Pre-load your needle and keep it in your car – it will keep for an hour or so before going bad.

 

[gautho]

Do you cycle it year around or do like 6 weeks on 2 off or something like that? I hearded that is I use it ED I train that I can build a tollerence to it. Whats the ideal insulin to use? I have access to any.

I use it in accordance with my GH, which is mostly all the time. When i break from Gh cycling i also break from insulin therapy. I'm more on the aggressive side of its use because i'm willing to put much on the line to achieve my goal to get where i want to go, but since we really don't know for sure about weather or not it shuts the pancreas down it prolly wouldn't be a bad idea to cycle it 30/30 if your not a competitive BB'er on a very high level just to play it safe. I use humulin R in the morning with breakfast and humalog pwo. Moreover, if your not an aspiring competive BB'er on at least an open level i wouldn't even use this shit.

 

[flotown]

I'll answer both of your questions. First: Is it really worth the risk you’d take, even if there was a slight chance that it isn't a myth? That’s a personal decision that you have to make. Second - the ideal time to take insulin is immediately after your workout or even ten minutes before the end. It’s a small window of opportunity that does make a difference. Pre-load your needle and keep it in your car – it will keep for an hour or so before going bad.

If you did become diabetic you would be the first ever reported. With taking humalin-R it lasts 4 hours. Taken once a day most of the day you will be producing your own insulin. If it takes you ten mins to get home inject as soon as you get in your car after workout. It is best to use powdered dextrose with whey protein in a shake. This will work faster as both are usually predigested. If you have to drink a coke on way home and then do shake.

 

[Kachunga]

Not True. This is a myth.

I would like to see some research to back up this claim. EVERY FAQ I have read coming from a dozen people considered to be experts on various BB boards says that abuse of insulin i.e. not cycling, can/will cause you to become insulin dependant.
Maybe if someone is using a couple of units after their meal they can get away with this, but not someone using 20 or 30 units a day. You would be a fool not to cycle this.
If you want to screw up your body, by all means go ahead. But dont go out giving advice on Elite, knowing there are 17 year old kids here reading this stuff who will say"flotown said its okay to stay on slin year round", without backing up what you say.

 

[Kachunga]

I use it in accordance with my gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - , which is mostly all the time. When i break from Gh cycling i also break from insulin therapy. I'm more on the aggressive side of its use because i'm willing to put much on the line to achieve my goal to get where i want to go, but since we really don't know for sure about weather or not it shuts the pancreas down it prolly wouldn't be a bad idea to cycle it 30/30 if your not a competitive BB'er on a very high level just to play it safe. I use humulin R in the morning with breakfast and humalog pwo. Moreover, if your not an aspiring competive BB'er on at least an open level i wouldn't even use this shit.

Well said from a pro.

 

[musclehealth]

I use it in accordance with my gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - , which is mostly all the time. When i break from Gh cycling i also break from insulin therapy. I'm more on the aggressive side of its use because i'm willing to put much on the line to achieve my goal to get where i want to go, but since we really don't know for sure about weather or not it shuts the pancreas down it prolly wouldn't be a bad idea to cycle it 30/30 if your not a competitive BB'er on a very high level just to play it safe. I use humulin R in the morning with breakfast and humalog pwo. Moreover, if your not an aspiring competive BB'er on at least an open level i wouldn't even use this shit.

I am willing to risk alot for my goals. I am doing my second show this coming april and I plan to take myself to another level. Day and night, training is on my mind. 100% dedication on my part.

 

[gautho]

to kachunga and musclehealth: pm me anytime ya'll want to talk. This isn't a product we should glamorize in the open to newbies. It can be fatal in the wrong hands.

 

[flotown]

I would like to see some research to back up this claim. EVERY FAQ I have read coming from a dozen people considered to be experts on various BB boards says that abuse of insulin i.e. not cycling, can/will cause you to become insulin dependant.
Maybe if someone is using a couple of units after their meal they can get away with this, but not someone using 20 or 30 units a day. You would be a fool not to cycle this.
If you want to screw up your body, by all means go ahead. But dont go out giving advice on Elite, knowing there are 17 year old kids here reading this stuff who will say"flotown said its okay to stay on insulin year round", without backing up what you say.

This is what I have learned. I will find refrences. But look at it like this you take one shot of say 20iu's of insulin a day(humalin-r) this lasts four(6-8 hours in small doses) hours what do you think is going on the rest of the day? Do you have no insulin? Now I am by no means saying everyone should use insulin or glorifying it in any way. Lets say for a second you can become diabetic this is still far less a concern as death. This stuff is dangerous in the hands of someone without knowledge. No newbies should use.

 

[gautho]

This is what I have learned. I will find refrences. But look at it like this you take one shot of say 20iu's of insulin a day(humalin-r) this lasts four(6-8 hours in small doses) hours what do you think is going on the rest of the day? Do you have no insulin? Now I am by no means saying everyone should use insulin or glorifying it in any way. Lets say for a second you can become diabetic this is still far less a concern as death. This stuff is dangerous in the hands of someone without knowledge. No newbies should use.

agree, good post.

 

[Kachunga]

This is what I have learned. I will find refrences. But look at it like this you take one shot of say 20iu's of insulin a day(humalin-r) this lasts four(6-8 hours in small doses) hours what do you think is going on the rest of the day? Do you have no insulin? Now I am by no means saying everyone should use insulin or glorifying it in any way. Lets say for a second you can become diabetic this is still far less a concern as death. This stuff is dangerous in the hands of someone without knowledge. No newbies should use.

Well of course your pancreas is still secreting insulin to keep everything in check. But do you think after X amount of time supplementing what your body naturally produces that there is no negative feedback loop? How long is this, I don't know. But I would guess that after years of supplementing with insulin, that some people could become insulin dependant. I doubt that people I have consulted in the community (getlr3.com,OLM & Houseofjuice.com) would throw out the term insulin dependance if it were not a possibility.
I am pretty sure that it is understood that Insulin use is a tool best left to those that have a total understanding of what is happening and are willing to deal with the consequences. I think we have covered it just fine and if you can find the references, I would love to see them. Not that I will change my cycling ways, I'm happy with how it has worked for me.
Thanks Gautho, I look forward to discussing different ways and means.
Much Respect,
K