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[musclemom]

You certainly are passionate about this, so why not turn that passion into action?

To fund these big ideas, why not dedicate your life to making a huge income that produces millions of dollars in taxes? Then we could have that great society.

I'be always been amused by the chicken-in-every-pot mentality, because it always involves gobs and gobs of other people's money.

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In reality, we could make millions, if not billions, by closing loopholes that are being abused within the tax code and forcing corporations to actually pay what they owe (as opposed to allowing them to shelter their profits overseas or within convenient deductions. There are many who consider the current bloated tax code "squishy"). Let's be realistic, the fact is lobbyists control congress, not voters. There's over 10,000 lobbyists to 535 member of congress and THEY donate to political campaigns and THEY are the ones who employ congressmen (and members of the USDA, FDA, EPA, etc., etc., etc.) after their terms are over.

I hold no delusions, ethics versus money, more than 90% of the time, money wins. Yay you, Plunkey and your cohorts, fuck the little guy, you've got the $$$ Good for you. But that doesn't change the fact that your children, and their children, are going to have health issues. It's going to happen, sooner or later. Too much pesticides, the wrong GMOs, it will happen. Sooner or later we'll all pay for the folly of "better living through chemistry". It may literally be the death of humanity.

 

[joonp]

joonp sounds like an 18 year old freshman in his first economics class.

How old are you bro?

I am many years out of college. I must say you guys all sound like every conservative ive ever met and debated with. Uncompassionate, uncaring, unreasonable, unwilling for any compromise, and believe that they are gods gift to the world and its their duty to bring fire and brimstone to the heathens of the world

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[mrplunkey]

In reality, we could make millions, if not billions, by closing loopholes that are being abused within the tax code and forcing corporations to actually pay what they owe (as opposed to allowing them to shelter their profits overseas or within convenient deductions. There are many who consider the current bloated tax code "squishy"). Let's be realistic, the fact is lobbyists control congress, not voters. There's over 10,000 lobbyists to 535 member of congress and THEY donate to political campaigns and THEY are the ones who employ congressmen (and members of the USDA, FDA, EPA, etc., etc., etc.) after their terms are over.

I hold no delusions, ethics versus money, more than 90% of the time, money wins. Yay you, Plunkey and your cohorts, fuck the little guy, you've got the $$$ Good for you. But that doesn't change the fact that your children, and their children, are going to have health issues. It's going to happen, sooner or later. Too much pesticides, the wrong GMOs, it will happen. Sooner or later we'll all pay for the folly of "better living through chemistry". It may literally be the death of humanity.

Great misdirection: we'll take the money from someone else!

You didn't answer my original question, do I'll restate it:

You clearly like the "great society" concept.

Are you working as hard as you possibly can to generate the absolute maximum tax revenues to fund it? Are you going to extreme behaviors to insure you are putting in more than you are taking out?

Or do you expect all your great theories should be funded by someone else?

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[joonp]

Housing is pretty fucking important also. how about providing free housing for all????

Im talking bout those who cannot provide for themselves, and there already is a program in place its called public hpusing and section 8. I dont know why everytime i say provide for those who cant provide for themselves you only hear everyone. This is called human compassion. You know christian charity.

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[mrplunkey]

Im talking bout those who cannot provide for themselves, and there already is a program in place its called public hpusing and section 8. I dont know why everytime i say provide for those who cant provide for themselves you only hear everyone. This is called human compassion. You know christian charity.

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Yeah, section 8 housing has been a huge success. Think about how much harder it would be for a crack dealer to not have a place for their inventory.


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[musclemom]

Great misdirection: we'll take the money from someone else!

You didn't answer my original question, do I'll restate it:

You clearly like the "great society" concept.

Are you working as hard as you possibly can to generate the absolute maximum tax revenues to fund it? Are you going to extreme behaviors to insure you are putting in more than you are taking out?

Or do you expect all your great theories should be funded by someone else?

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Seriously, you're accusing me of misdirection?

Once upon a time I would have fallen for that, no longer.

Let's try this, Brian. The corporations use the infrastructure of America, the water, the sewers, the roads. Without America, they wouldn't exist. This crap was hashed out in ancient Greece in the time of Aristotle and the same rhetoric holds true now that held true then. The corporations could not succeed without the infrastructure, both real and intellectual, of the country they developed and exist within. Without the laws of the country, they wouldn't have been able to develop to begin with.

It is in the best interest of the corporations that the country they exist within thrives. That country cannot thrive without their contributions, because they succeeded because of the roads, sewage, water, resources, employees of that country. You can't expect the middle and lower classes to carry the success of the corporations, that is an obvious recipe for disaster.

But apparently there is some screwed up mentality that the rich deserve something for nothing (don't get me started on the BS trickle down theory). Hey, I got an idea, screw welfare moms, let's talk about GE, Boeing, Wells Fargo, Honeywell, etc., etc., who make BILLIONS in profits and don't pay a dime in taxes because of tax loopholes. Is it legal? However, that does not make it RIGHT. What big corporations don't pay in taxes and shelter overseas outweighs what is paid out in social services a thousandfold.

 

[mrplunkey]

It is absolutely hilarious to me that you have no idea how the global economy and global taxation works.

I've asked you this once already, and you didn't answer. Do here goes again:

If the government of India sent you a $2,500 income tax bill, would you pay it?

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Im talking bout those who cannot provide for themselves, and there already is a program in place its called public hpusing and section 8. I dont know why everytime i say provide for those who cant provide for themselves you only hear everyone. This is called human compassion. You know christian charity.

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Well is it Christian charity? Or is it subsidized housing funded by involuntary taxation? You keep contradicting yourself.

Im all for the poor taking advantage of this nations rich tradition of charitable contributions. We should actually focus more on that aspect instead of taxation.

 

[musclemom]

It is absolutely hilarious to me that you have no idea how the global economy and global taxation works.

I've asked you this once already, and you didn't answer. Do here goes again:

If the government of India sent you a $2,500 income tax bill, would you pay it?

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If I had a corporation that used the infrastructures (meaning roads, sewers, garbage disposal, potable water, etc.) then yes, I'd pay the bill.

Which, oddly enough, is a bill most American corporations aren't confronted with.

Of course, due to the BS American tax laws, you can actually have income in a country where you never used the infrastructure, but since those countries have 0% income tax, big deal.

And then when corporations want to get their money INTO America, they just wait until an election, and pay off congressmen so they can move their profits into America at a significantly reduced tax rate.

That's right, folks, Boeing, GE, Microsoft, Google, etc., etc., pay something like 5% or less on their profits than ummmm, the average American worker making under 80K a year who pays at least 15%.

 

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And the lesson once again is life isnt fair.