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Its All Genetics
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then i would suggest running prop at 500mgs or 400mgs ew. i got no sides from that other than being very horny. for me prop keeps my gains much leaner, and although i get the broad shoulders it just makes me look very hard and solid. test e generally causes me to hold a little bit more water then prop. plus with prop is a short acting ester so if u get side effects they are easier to control then with test e.
that would be my suggestion. are you trying to keep you gains modest for work related reasons? what are your goals?
that would be my suggestion. are you trying to keep you gains modest for work related reasons? what are your goals?
I am doing clen at the moment, have only done tbol and var in the past, then going through xmas with another cycle of var at 60mgs per day for about 6 or 7 weeks. Then after time on/off etc would like to get another decent amount of gains with a low bodyfat. Work plays a big role, its not like I can just say its creatine or protein, they will know if I turn up with extra weight on me. So as I gain good solid muscle I will reduce my body fat as I go.
Its All Genetics
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did u see my post prop at 400mgs ew=solid modest gains. its classic...unless you dont like the ed or eod injectsunder said:
thewanderer690
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I got Mono once when I was on but i think it was from this girl. I was sick for like 2 weeks.
hankes64
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Dont you inject prop ED? Prop has a short half life and its usually injected ED or EOD correct? 250mg of test e is usually the amount docs prescribe for Hormone Replacement Therapy, its enough to replace test but not much for a cycle. IMO I wouldnt worry about hair on a test cycle, its usually a highly androgenic oral that will make you shed it (I know some injections will shed hair, because test converts to DHT), all I get worried about is hair. If thats the case try using azealic acid instead of finasteride (I hate that stuff). Search for a thread I posted called "For those worried about hair".
hammercurls
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npp at 50 md oed is what u want
Prizz said:
No offense, but I don't think you have any idea of what you're talking about. If you have first hand experience, I apologize. I've personally witnessed close friends gain 15-20lbs from 250mg of test enth for 10 wks. Test only. We need to keep in mind everything else though. Is this your first cycle? If so you'll be fine at 250mg. If its your second I would recommend 400-500mg/wk. Diet is very important and keep the cals high.
With that low of a dose sides should be minimal. A little acne, a little bloat. Those are what you really should watch. Also watch that blood pressure as water retention makes it higher. You should be fine my friend.
Chris
Prizz
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khemix said:
Wow.... I have no idea what I'm talking about? Ok, say what you wanna say.... This isn't his 1st cycle for the record, and only guys who are very Mesomorphic will make good gains on 250mg per week.... If I didn't know what i was talking about, why are most exp users doing a min of 750mg per week, and Deca/EQ stacked in too? I don't mind if you disagree with me, but I don't know what I'm talking about? Pretty offensive choice of words there.....
rizz
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Probably because they've done numerous cycles and it takes atleast that much for them to grow??? Of course your going to make better gains using higher doses, stacked with numerous other drugs. But if you didn't notice, I dont think thats what he wants to do. From his post I've gathered he wants a small, basic cycle to gain a little muscle without bloat and all the sides. At a low 250mg/wk thats exactly what he needs. 500mg/wk would be better, and at 750mg/wk he would gain alot more. But since the title of the thread is SIDE EFFECTS, it becomes very apparent that he wants minimal sides. At 250mg/wk, the sides would be about as minimal as you can get without having to take arimidex and all that other shit. Granted his gains wont be that great, but he WILL gain as long as diet and training are on par. Their SUPPLEMENTS, to supplement your training and diet. Not crutches. Now, if he's previously ran above 750mg/wk his gains will be pretty minimal and I would suggest something like 400mg/wk. The more you use, the more it takes to be as effective and the more side effects you run into. Its verydependant on his cycle history and his genetics.
And for the record, I'm a serious ectomorph and I gained 16lbs from a test only cycle at 300mg/wk. Second cycle.
Prizz
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khemix said:
Sounded to me that his major concern was bloat and fast weight gain.... Hence the reason I reccomended Arimidex.... YOu say taking Arimidex and all that other shit? Arimidex is cheap, and easy as hell to get now, it's not that hard to do..... Not to mention, it would be the only drug he would need to keep the bloat down..... Ok, so you gained 16lbs on your 2nd cycle, some great results, but from what he said, this is looking to be his 4th..... From that information, I'm gonna still say he should do 500mg per week.... If you dont' agree, that's fine, but don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about... Try being polite to people, you'll get farther in life.....
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skippa
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Prizz said:
I would have to agree. If it's his 4th cycle, 500mg per week would work better, and have lil bloat at all. Like rizz said, if he gets bloat, he can use Arimidex or something to get rid of it. I would also add that you should relax Khemix, this board isn't a competition on who knows more, it's just a place that athletes can discuss compounds in a respective manner. When you start to Flame, or tell someone they don't know what they are talking about, what are you accomplishing? Nothing worse then a board filled with Flames and Fights, so plz don't go that route. Elite is a great place for quality info, and it would be nice to keep it that way. If you disagree with someone, do it in a calm respective manner. That's what my Mom taught me when I was a kid anyway.
Big_Joe
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It's times like this that I really dislike the internet. In the real world if we were in a bar or some hard core gym and somebody said: "You don't know shit man, you don't know what your talking about" We'd have us a real smack down. You know something real. With blood flowing and the sounds of fists hitting flesh.
I miss the old days. People had much more respect. Because they knew they better or they would have to backup their mouth with their fists. Here in cyberspace we have fifteen year old wet nose wannabees talking trash like they had hair between their legs.
And before you get your pettycoats all in a bunch I'm not pointing my finger at anybody saying your a fifteen year old wet nose. But you all know what I am talking about. It's all trash talk and no respect.
I miss the old days. People had much more respect. Because they knew they better or they would have to backup their mouth with their fists. Here in cyberspace we have fifteen year old wet nose wannabees talking trash like they had hair between their legs.
And before you get your pettycoats all in a bunch I'm not pointing my finger at anybody saying your a fifteen year old wet nose. But you all know what I am talking about. It's all trash talk and no respect.
Well guys didnt think I would start a cyber-row, but thanks for the comments, yes I do want gains, small without sides but doesnt everyone. What I dont want though is to shut myself down on 250 instead of 500mgs per week etc and have no gains to show for it. All ideas and comments are welcome as people react differently. Cheers all.
Joe Stick
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under said:
Heres what I would do. 350mg of test e for 10 weeks and stack it with a mild oral like var or some t bol. Should be a decent cycle with no sides.
Someone on here was saying that the body only produces around 10 mgs of test per day naturally which would only be ~ 70-100 mgs a week! Just some food for thought.
americany13
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@under.....well, how was your VAR and DBOL past cycles? strength only or gain mass aswell? Did you stack them in one Cycle?
