Side Effects Help

[Jonlb21]

Hey Everyone,

I'm about 3 weeks in my first cycle. I'm currently taking 50mg of anavar everyday with N2 Guard,Stack No. 17, and Forma stanzol . I've stacked them with S4, MK-2866, GW-50156 SARMS from sarms1. I was taking the SARMS, 2 weeks prior to the anavar so we'll say SARMS total of 4-5 weeks. Anyway I have been having some serious side effects lately. I wake up with a bloody noses in the mourning and feel nauseous throughout the day. I get these vicious migraines that won't seem to go away. When you feel nauseous and have a bad migraine it makes it almost impossible to work out everyday.

So I've been taking other things along side this oral only cycle. Basic stuff like joint supplements, CLA, fish oil, fat burners in the mourning, and cissus. I just constantly feel sick and have no energy. The majority of what I've read says that anavar has little to no side effects, so I don't know if that is the cause. But I have been day by day dropping a supplement here or there to try and see what is making me sick. Any advice ?

If someone is going to advise me to stop anavar I know its bad for the body to stop taking it cold turkey entirely, it shocks the body. I have HCG generate and OxandroVar on hand but feel like the last thing I want to do is take more pills. Is my body shutting down ? and does this sound like any side effects any one had heard of for mild anavar? My blood pressure is higher than normal as well.

 

[silentrevolver]

An Anavar only cycle will shut you down hard, that combined with the Osta and S4 will suppress you to a significant degree. For a cycle like this, you need to add some Testosterone, a natural Test booster just won't cut it. Those are to be used during PCT, not as a Testosterone replacement.

But first things first

Just stop the entire cycle meaning the anavar, Osta and S4, then regroup. Keep running the Test Stack 17, N2Guard and Forma Stanzol and the GW. You should also get blood work done.

Once you have done this mini PCT, you should feel better in a couple of days. After two - three weeks:

Reintroduce
Week 1 - 8 Osta @ 25mg
Week 1 -8 S4 and run it for 8 weeks
continue using Test Stack 17

See how you feel on the Sarms at week 2 and if you feel fine you can isolate Anavar as the main cause of your problem. In the future research more about steroids first, with Anavar you need a low dose testosterone base. And if you are scared of injection, don't bother with steroids. Its not for you

 

[25homes]

Are you getting enough water might be dehydrated. .. check blood pressure should be on though with n2guard

 

[Jonlb21]

An Anavar only cycle will shut you down hard, that combined with the Osta and S4 will suppress you to a significant degree. For a cycle like this, you need to add some Testosterone, a natural Test booster just won't cut it. Those are to be used during PCT, not as a Testosterone replacement.

But first things first

Just stop the entire cycle meaning the anavar, Osta and S4, then regroup. Keep running the Test Stack 17, N2Guard and Forma Stanzol and the GW. You should also get blood work done.

Once you have done this mini PCT, you should feel better in a couple of days. After two - three weeks:

Reintroduce
Week 1 - 8 Osta @ 25mg
Week 1 -8 S4 and run it for 8 weeks
continue using Test Stack 17

See how you feel on the Sarms at week 2 and if you feel fine you can isolate Anavar as the main cause of your problem. In the future research more about steroids first, with Anavar you need a low dose testosterone base. And if you are scared of injection, don't bother with steroids. Its not for you

I didn't add Test to the cycle because I wanted to cut a good amount of BF. I know sometimes Test can make you bloat. I know you suggested stopping entirely ? But doesnt that shut down your system even more?

 

[Jonlb21]

Are you getting enough water might be dehydrated. .. check blood pressure should be on though with n2guard

How much water is considered enough ? I ask because I don't know if I am dehydrated or it is my body shutting down. I have been taking n2 guard.

 

[Shrine1]

Prob dehydrated if you are asking how much water is enough. I think you are dealing with shutdown for sure. Test wont make you bloat if your diet is good.. diet controls the way you look alot. I would have def added some test when taking var.

Dont stack the Var and the Oxandrovar together. It will tear your liver up as var is very harsh on the liver.

Drink 1-2 gallons of water a day

 

[Jonlb21]

Prob dehydrated if you are asking how much water is enough. I think you are dealing with shutdown for sure. Test wont make you bloat if your diet is good.. diet controls the way you look alot. I would have def added some test when taking var.

Dont stack the Var and the Oxandrovar together. It will tear your liver up as var is very harsh on the liver.

Drink 1-2 gallons of water a day

Just to clarify you mean shutdown from dehydration or from the var ? and I'm not running anavar and oxandrovar together. I have oxandrovar on hand, which I was going to take after the var. So the three recommedations I've gotten are continuing the var but drink a lot more water, add test, or stop completely. What is everyone's advice from the 3?

 

[silentrevolver]

I didn't add Test to the cycle because I wanted to cut a good amount of BF. I know sometimes Test can make you bloat. I know you suggested stopping entirely ? But doesnt that shut down your system even more?

No. Because you have removed an exogenous androgen (Anavar) and keep taking Test 17 and forma, they will act as PCT. If you want you can add nolva at 20mg ED for 3 weeks.

Unless you can get some test prop now and if drinking more water don't work, I would go with stopping, do a mini pct, get back into the cycle with SARMS, and then maybe move on to Test and anavar cycle

 

[Jonlb21]

No. Because you have removed an exogenous androgen (Anavar) and keep taking Test 17 and forma, they will act as PCT. If you want you can add nolva at 20mg ED for 3 weeks.

Unless you can get some test prop now and if drinking more water don't work, I would go with stopping, do a mini pct, get back into the cycle with SARMS, and then maybe move on to Test and anavar cycle

ok thanks

 

[Jonlb21]

ok thanks

I will stop taking anavar and work in Oxandrovar, keep taking forma, and test stack 17. I have HCGenerate as well. Should I add that to my mini pct with test stack 17 ? And should i keep taking N2 Guard even though I will stop the var ?

Thanks for the help everyone. I read alot of people have done an anavar only 1st cycle and didn't experience any side effects at all. I thought for sure using N2 Guard and Forma would combat the rare chance of any sides, but maybe my body just reacted to it differently. Anyway I am going to take Oxandrovarand lay off the var for a month or so. I will get some Test E and try again in a month or two. I was under the impression that you couldn't cut BF as much if you ran a test along side var.

 

[silentrevolver]

I will stop taking anavar and work in Oxandrovar, keep taking forma, and test stack 17. I have HCGenerate as well. Should I add that to my mini pct with test stack 17 ? And should i keep taking N2 Guard even though I will stop the var ?

Yeah take HCGenerate ON cycle and Test stack 17 for PCT, that's how these sups are meant to be used. You don't really need forma on cycle with Oxandrovar or Anavar, you can use it for PCT to stop Oestrogen rebound. If you are doing a PCT at this point then use all the above.

Well my first cycle was anavar only, that was 4-5 years ago. I went from 190 - 211 and strength shot up pretty crazy. I didn't experience much sides apart from lethargy at the end. PCT was also shoddily put together. I recovered but it took around 3 months, by then I was more cut but lost some strength.

But we are all different, and right now what you need to do is to isolate the problem and rectify the situation. Which is why I suggested you stop all exogenous hormones and do a mini pct then regroup. This is also the reason people recommend first timers to do a Test only cycle to see how they react to exogenous hormones. You can go with the OxandroVar, I know it is a PH but apart from that I have no experience with it. Drop the Vars and go with that and keep posting here to let us know how you progress.

I am on a Test and var cycle now, have cut at least 4-5% body fat in 11 weeks, do a search on my posts, I went from 230ish 18% bf - 220 13-14% bf so your whole theory that Test would hinder fat loss is unsubstantiated. All it takes is less sodium, lower carbs and an AI, bloat is easily controllable under 500mg of Test EW. Which is why I am telling you to get some Test.

Just out of interest are you not doing Test because of "fear of bloat" or are you scared of injecting yourself? Be honest here bro, if you can't pin, don't bother with gear.

 

[Jonlb21]

Yeah take HCGenerate ON cycle and Test stack 17 for PCT, that's how these sups are meant to be used. You don't really need forma on cycle with Oxandrovar or Anavar, you can use it for PCT to stop Oestrogen rebound. If you are doing a PCT at this point then use all the above.

Well my first cycle was anavar only, that was 4-5 years ago. I went from 190 - 211 and strength shot up pretty crazy. I didn't experience much sides apart from lethargy at the end. PCT was also shoddily put together. I recovered but it took around 3 months, by then I was more cut but lost some strength.

But we are all different, and right now what you need to do is to isolate the problem and rectify the situation. Which is why I suggested you stop all exogenous hormones and do a mini pct then regroup. This is also the reason people recommend first timers to do a Test only cycle to see how they react to exogenous hormones. You can go with the OxandroVar, I know it is a PH but apart from that I have no experience with it. Drop the Vars and go with that and keep posting here to let us know how you progress.

I am on a Test and var cycle now, have cut at least 4-5% body fat in 11 weeks, do a search on my posts, I went from 230ish 18% bf - 220 13-14% bf so your whole theory that Test would hinder fat loss is unsubstantiated. All it takes is less sodium, lower carbs and an AI, bloat is easily controllable under 500mg of Test EW. Which is why I am telling you to get some Test.

Just out of interest are you not doing Test because of "fear of bloat" or are you scared of injecting yourself? Be honest here bro, if you can't pin, don't bother with gear.

No pinning was never the issue. In fact, I currently have two vials of 250mgs of Test E on hand. If I did the math correct those 2 vials should have let me run a 10-12 week cycle. The reason I didn't add the Test-E to my cycle was because this was my first cycle and thought I'd see how I would react to var. I was lead to believe var is very mild and has little to no side effects. I read alot of posts of first timers running var only cycles and cutting alot of weight. When posting about cutting people on these forums said my current BF was too high to run test and I could actually gain weight from adding it in. I definitely didn't want to gain any more weight so I left it out. Do you think I should just continue to stop the var cycle entirely ? Or see if I feel better by adding a very small amount of test into it ? and if so how much a week ? 500 ?

 

[silentrevolver]

Good you have test on hand. Whoever propagated the myth that Anavar does not cause shutdown is talking out of their ass. I was shut the fuck down in 2 weeks.

Introducing Test definitely helps. This is probably your best option right now. You have two choices:

1. Do a mini PCT with Test stack 17 and forma continue with the SARMS, and we boot your cycle in 4 weeks with:

1-10 test E 250 EW
Anavar week 1-3, week 7-10
aromasin for AI

2. Start the above cycle now.

In this age of instant gratification I know you will choose option 2, even if I told you option 1 is the better choice.

Anyway you can cut with test e, and the beauty is because of the bloat sometimes you will get 10 days and see no fat loss results. Eat super clean for 3 days and suddenly you look like you drop 3% bf. In any event with an AI and carb, sodium control, you can cut like mad on test.






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[Jonlb21]

Good you have test on hand. Whoever propagated the myth that Anavar does not cause shutdown is talking out of their ass. I was shut the fuck down in 2 weeks.

Introducing Test definitely helps. This is probably your best option right now. You have two choices:

1. Do a mini PCT with Test stack 17 and forma continue with the SARMS, and we boot your cycle in 4 weeks with:

1-10 test E 250 EW
Anavar week 1-3, week 7-10
aromasin for AI

2. Start the above cycle now.

In this age of instant gratification I know you will choose option 2, even if I told you option 1 is the better choice.

Anyway you can cut with test e, and the beauty is because of the bloat sometimes you will get 10 days and see no fat loss results. Eat super clean for 3 days and suddenly you look like you drop 3% bf. In any event with an AI and carb, sodium control, you can cut like mad on test.

Well, if option 2 is the better choice than I can wait to do the cycle with test e. Do you think a month or a month and a half of PCT and OxandroVar is long enough to regulate everything back to normal? Then start the var cycle again with 250mg or 500mg of TEST E.

So after 4-6 Weeks it good look like
Week 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 500mgs/week (250mg shots 2x/week split)
Week 1-12 Arimidex 0.5mgs ED
Week 1-12 N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM
Week 10-12 HCGenerate 3 caps AM/2 pre-workout

Post Cycle Therapy
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/10
Aromasin week 1-2: 12.5mgs EOD, week 3-4: 7.5mgs EOD
Ostarine - 25/25/25/25/25
N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM
Maybe some Clen

I know you said I could add Test E right now, but I don't have Arimdex on hand.Also if I have 2 bottles of forma stanzol should I still order Clomid, Nolva, and Aromsain or is that overkill ?

 

[silentrevolver]

So after 4-6 Weeks it good look like
Week 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 500mgs/week (250mg shots 2x/week split)
Week 1-12 Arimidex 0.5mgs ED
Week 1-12 N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM
Week 10-12 HCGenerate 3 caps AM/2 pre-workout

Post Cycle Therapy
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/10
Aromasin week 1-2: 12.5mgs EOD, week 3-4: 7.5mgs EOD
Ostarine - 25/25/25/25/25
N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM
Maybe some Clen

I know you said I could add Test E right now, but I don't have Arimdex on hand.Also if I have 2 bottles of forma stanzol should I still order Clomid, Nolva, and Aromsain or is that overkill ?

You should use Aromasin for AI throughout the cycle, it is a superior product over Adex. Just use 12.5mg EOD all the way through PCT and you are good to go on AI.

I like your cycle layout, as I said replace the Arimidex with Aromasin. Also why not add you Oxandrovar or anavar in the last 6 weeks?

Week 1 -12 Test E 500mg EW
Week 1- 12 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Week 6-12 Oxandrovar or anavar @ 40mg ED
Week 1-12 N2Guard - 3 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM
Week 8-12 HCGenerate 3 caps AM/2 pre-workout

This way you finish of your cycle nice and clean and use up all your gear. Your PCT is solid go with it.