Shut down question.........

[JKurz1]

A buddy asked me today what the effect of being shut down is and how long can it last if you do no PCT. I really had no answer for him, as I'm not sure.....so, if you do get shut down, how long can it last? Does it prohibit future muscle growth? Is this the reasoning behind him losing strength like a mad man even though he trains hard and eats pretty solid? Much thanks...and K to all...........

 

[GoldenDelicious]

how long has your mate been like this?

there have been cases of people who have tipped their hpta off balance after a first cycle and are on life long hormone replacement therapy.

some people recover very quickly, others take months, others do not even go back to original gonadic functionality.

there are a few factors that will come into play which will determine risk of each of the above, but thats the size of it

cheers

 

[JKurz1]

thnx bro....karma......he said about 6-8 months he's had low ejaculation volume.....thought it was prostate problems, but now thinking otherwise.......he's only done a mild cycle of sus250 at 500mg / week for 8 weeks coupled with deca.....anything that will help? What is the net result of this? No more muscle growth? Should he hit clomid now or start another cycle and go heavy on the pct?

 

[GoldenDelicious]

dont worry about the karma, but thanks anyway

tell your mate to go to www.allthingsmale.com

the doctor there specialises in just this sort of thing

cheers

 

[SwolK]

tell him to hit clomid PCT now.
then next cycle definitely use it. especially with deca
but test also

 

[JKurz1]

6 months later?

 

[DrJMW]

My recipe for chronic suppression (over six months):

1. Get blood testing for the following: Total Testos; Free and Weakly Bound Testos; estradiol (estrogen); prolactin; LH; FSH. This will give us an excellent picture of the state of the HPTA

2. Do an eight-week recovery cycle now.
Weeks one thru three: 1,000U HCG, IM, Monday, Wednesday, Friday; 20mg Nolvadex daily; 50mg clomid daily. This will stimulate testicular mass increase and stimulate the pituitary to produce LH and FSH. It will also prevent estrogen sides, for estrogen receptors will be blocked.
Weeks four thru six: 20mg Nolvadex daily; 50mg clomid daily.
Weeks seven, eight: Retest blood levels, as mentioned above.

If levels are not normal, then redo recovery cycle and retest. The only way to know that the recovery is working is by blood testing. You cannot go by subjective feeling alone. I have outlined this recovery cycle many times here. It works..my clients recover consistently.

 

[dr0832]

Anybody that has done a var only cycle at a low dose like 20mg ed and not used nolva or clomid and had not problems with their boys?

 

[JKurz1]

Thanks doc..........could he get by with just a clomid cycle?

 

[DrJMW]

Clomid only cycle is useless for chronic suppression. HCG is readily available and it must be used to rapidly increase testicular mass. Clomid only stimulates LH release; it does not stimulate testicualr mass. As Jordan says: Just do it!!

 

[Cussertini]

sorry to hijack this thread
drjmw, how do I contact you or can you e-mail me at [email protected]
thanks

 

[JKurz1]

thanks doc...now I just need to get him some............

 

[JKurz1]

good info

 

[slat1]

Hmmm... If the PCT doesn't work your buddy could play pool with rope for a living! LOL! JK... I hate being shut down. Follow what Drjmw has to say and all should be good!! Best of luck to your buddy.

 

[DrJMW]

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