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For those not looking at any "hardcore" products how many of y'all would use daa with your cycles of Creatine?
Should daa be a staple for bodybuilders?
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Phishtribe
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What are y'all's takes on the studies that reported kidney damage from it
Phishtribe
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Why post when it takes 2 seconds "y'all" outta know how to type d-aspartic acid kidney damage PDF. PDF will often limit the search to peer reviewed journals. If u can't find one of the many then ill post
Phishtribe
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And btw N-Methyl-D-Aspartate may be what u have to search bc daa is a precursor to that's and there are nada receptors in the kidney.....
DAA is a aproven total D builder but you need to take enough of it and take lots of water with it. Right now we're working on a product that would be extremely potent in increases total T -- it would include DAA, but be more effective than DAA alone so you won't need quite as much to get the effect. .
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Phishtribe
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Sounds good. Since NMDA is what actually is used for testosterone production would it be better to skip simple DAA and buy NMDA. I would think that the conversion if daa to NMDA is not 100 percent so 30mg if daa would not be as effective as NMDA unless the absorption of NMDA is rather low which I doubt.
If you're looking for a good natty T booster, UNLEASHED is the best bang for you buck since it releases Free T and that's what counts. HCGen is good too because it has bulbine, which is a great total T builder and BRIDGE has Fadogia and pregnenolone which increases LH, which is what produces test in the first place. It's a bit of a science. But if you're to use just one, I'd say go with UNLEASHED.
Phishtribe
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I've used unleaded with great results. I had it stacked with daa and an ai and a dicreatine malate. Results were great until I noticed that my blood pressure went out the roof so I stopped everything. Took nearly a month and a half for it to come back down. Not sure what it was that did it. Leaning towards the Creatine but it could also have been my pre workout. Anyways reason for this trend was simply to see if others found daa great enough to include as a staple to bodybuilding.
Creatine does nothing to increase test and will increase BP more than anything else. Not sure why your BP went up on DAA and UNLEASHED, there's nothing that should affect it.
Headholio
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I looked for at least 4 seconds and didn't find anything. It is normal forum etiquette that if you are going to make a claim about something (DAA=kidney damage), then the onus is on you to provide the supporting documentation.
Headholio
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I know a lot of people think that going to a gym and reading muscle and fitness magazine is the equivalent of having a PhD in biochemistry, but drawing logical conclusions without data is faulty logic. The only study I know that looked a human testosterone levels used sodium D-aspartate, (the sodium salt of DAA), not NMDA (a methylated form).
So, be careful when assuming a "similar" compound, even if part of the same metabolic chain, would produce similar results.
EDIT: Here's a journal artical saying that nmda is 100x less potent than DAA.
Abstract
Occurrence of D-aspartic acid and N-methyl-D-asparti... [FASEB J. 2000] - PubMed - NCBI
Headholio
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Headholio
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Right now I'm stacking DAA with Endosurge. I'll do that for 30 days, then switch to Hcgenerate. After 30 days of that I'll switch to something else (Unleashed, Ultra Male RX or another product or stack).
There are a few different test boosting substances that work in different ways. I switch them up because I think it works better that way, and also minimizes the risk of any unknown negative effects they may have.
There are a few different test boosting substances that work in different ways. I switch them up because I think it works better that way, and also minimizes the risk of any unknown negative effects they may have.
Cali72
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I'll have to try that Unleaded stuff. I heard it's good for your fuel injectors
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Make sure u use the premium bro
98% octane.
Phishtribe
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Yeah not looking for any led poison... didnt catch that. I guess I just interpreted the like between daa and nmda wrong. no ones claiming a biochem degree.. tho I have a final in that class in the am. If I knew the answers to my questions I wouldnt be sitting here asking them so ease off a bit. Im just a dude looking for information from vets.
Nelson- I realize that creatine is not for test i was simply listing it as one of the things I was on when bp went up. I usually only use monohydrate but decided to give the other a try. Normally I never see an increase in water retnetion, not even a pound difference but with the new stuff even with an ai I had an 8lb gain in just over a week. Lots of bloat and so thats why im reasoning that it had to be what was responsible for my bp increase.
Nelson- I realize that creatine is not for test i was simply listing it as one of the things I was on when bp went up. I usually only use monohydrate but decided to give the other a try. Normally I never see an increase in water retnetion, not even a pound difference but with the new stuff even with an ai I had an 8lb gain in just over a week. Lots of bloat and so thats why im reasoning that it had to be what was responsible for my bp increase.
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And if anyone does have some nice articles on DAA I would love to read them, I have a senior seminar to do in march pertaining to TRT and DAA potential as well as other more naturel ways such as fadogina agrestis as an alternative to injectable test and creams.
Headholio
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Good luck man. the data is pretty slim. 1 or 2 studies on DAA and Fadogia pertaining to human testosterone levels can be found on Pub Med, and that's about it.
But if you have the opportunity to actually set up a study and do blood tests for testosterone etc levels on subjects using these these natural boosters, that would be absolutely fantastic and possibly a great benefit to us all.
Phishtribe
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Wish I could, unfortunately my college is not a nice large university witht the funds to do that. I would love to test daa effects on test level in humans since there is such limited data out there, but to get that cleared with the school could take some work not to mention getting voulenteers. I would end up having all the wrestelers banned for the season haha. If I end up with too limited data to draw any conclusions ill be looking into sarms as a topic. The University of Tennessee has some great research going on there dealing with them and not just the sarms that we generally talk about.
impossible that DAA would effect the kidney's.. might be confusing it with creatine which does manipulate creatinine and BUN levels giving the impression that its effecting kidney's.
use this stuff during PCT.. its cheap and its easy to take, just mix it with water. or you can buy the power chews DAA and snack on those.. i get so sick of taking caps so this is a welcome relief
use this stuff during PCT.. its cheap and its easy to take, just mix it with water. or you can buy the power chews DAA and snack on those.. i get so sick of taking caps so this is a welcome relief
TheRippedReverend
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I can verify this! Bloods came back flawless on kidney values after 8week daa cycle
Oldjarhead
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Why do our friends at PF say DAA does nothing to increase test levels?
I don't recall them ever saying that. I believe they may have said it has no impact on increasing LH
Oldjarhead
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They were giving advice on natural muscle building stacks.
Supplements To Take:
1) CLA gel capsules. Take 1 with each meal. Only use Tonalin or Clarinol 2) Krill Oil. Unbelievable high quality dietary fat
3) Testosterone supplement. (I’ll give you some that I like alot)
1) Unleashed by Proteinfactory.com
2) Long Jack by HP ingredients 3) Tribestan by Sopharma
What testosterone supplements NOT to use:
1) Prohormones. Dangerous products, all made in China, and all illegal sold by supplement companies trying to profit off playing russian roulette with your health. 2) ZMA. complete garbage with its claim that it can raise testosterone.
3) Boron. Again completely worthless to boost test.
4) D-aspartic acid. They thought this product would work, but it doesnt.
Supplements To Take:
1) CLA gel capsules. Take 1 with each meal. Only use Tonalin or Clarinol 2) Krill Oil. Unbelievable high quality dietary fat
3) Testosterone supplement. (I’ll give you some that I like alot)
1) Unleashed by Proteinfactory.com
2) Long Jack by HP ingredients 3) Tribestan by Sopharma
What testosterone supplements NOT to use:
1) Prohormones. Dangerous products, all made in China, and all illegal sold by supplement companies trying to profit off playing russian roulette with your health. 2) ZMA. complete garbage with its claim that it can raise testosterone.
3) Boron. Again completely worthless to boost test.
4) D-aspartic acid. They thought this product would work, but it doesnt.
Headholio
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Who wrote that?
DAA has at least 1 human clinical study showing it raises testosterone. It's not a fantastic study, but its more substantial data than what a lot of supplements have.
Tribulus on the other hand, which he recommends, has a lot of data showing it doesn't raise testosterone. It is still somewhat controversial, because some say that it is the quality of the extract that determines how effective it will be.
Some supplements raise libido without raising testosterone, which makes people's subjective opinions somewhat questionable.
DAA has at least 1 human clinical study showing it raises testosterone. It's not a fantastic study, but its more substantial data than what a lot of supplements have.
Tribulus on the other hand, which he recommends, has a lot of data showing it doesn't raise testosterone. It is still somewhat controversial, because some say that it is the quality of the extract that determines how effective it will be.
Some supplements raise libido without raising testosterone, which makes people's subjective opinions somewhat questionable.
TheRippedReverend
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Your wrong daa does raise test I got bloods to prove that!!!
Have seen some great results from this stuff
Phishtribe
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Something interesting to note. The 42% increase in testosterone could have been higher except that 20 or or 23 had test increased. In the same study. 20 out of 23 had increase in LH. Could these 3 ppl have a different endocrine problem in which daa wouldn't work for them so for those it can work the percentage would be higher. Also daa stimulates the release of gh which in turn inhibits shbg which then raises free test levels... Seems like a solid product
TheRippedReverend
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This is a big yes for me! I rans bloods to prove I went from 366 to 666 now I did stack with ostra but am sold on daa next best thing hands down!!!
And for the price why wouldnt you give a try its like 19 bucks
And for the price why wouldnt you give a try its like 19 bucks
jeremyng25
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Are we referring to sodium d aspartic acid here because that's the DAA proven to raise test at 3.12 g
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