Should all immigration be stopped?

[SofaGeorge]

This may sound like an odd question, but should all countries stop allowing immigration?

Countries like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Palestine, etc... have all experienced mass exodus for years and years. It isn't the general population that leaves these countries - it's the best and brightest. The college educated. The insightful. The moral. The good. For the most part, traditionally when countries see large numbers of their citizens leave for better lives elsewhere - it is the citizens they need most that leave. They leave because they want a better life, and they don't believe they can find it in their homeland.

This leaves ignorant, intolerant, angry and unjust people to populate nations.

In great nations, good people rose up and made those countries good. They fought injustice, intolerance, and corruption in their nations. They made their own home a good place to live.

By allowing mass immigration, we are taking away the very citizens that would most likely be able to help these countries be better places to live. We are removing the motivation for these people to make their countries better. (Why should you fight to make Palestine a livable nation when you can just get the hell out?)

Should all nations stop allowing mass immigration and tell the citizens of the world - NO - stay in your country and make it good?

Would we make the world a better place if we closed our borders to new citizens?

 

[Citruscide]

Tough question... when you put it like that, you are almost taking away their freedom...

It's like putting someone in a prison, and then telling them... make it better. What if someone from Canada wants to come to the US? Will they not be allowed to go? Will there be a "line"for countries that "don't stack up?"

It's an interesting proposal... but in the end, we all know it wouldn't work. While those good people that leave those nations would/could better them... they may never get a chance to flourish there... they may only recieve that chance when they get out and are given the appropriate facilities...

C

 

[HUGHJORGEN]

Tough question... when you put it like that, you are almost taking away their freedom...

It's like putting someone in a prison, and then telling them... make it better. What if someone from Canada wants to come to the US? Will they not be allowed to go? Will there be a "line"for countries that "don't stack up?"

It's an interesting proposal... but in the end, we all know it wouldn't work. While those good people that leave those nations would/could better them... they may never get a chance to flourish there... they may only recieve that chance when they get out and are given the appropriate facilities...

C [/QUOTE

Actually from most European countries in order to emmigrate, you must go in a type of lottery. If, however you are an AIDS infested piece of shit who will never work a day, and live off the US gov't, you can pretty much just walk right in.

BTW- our innigration policy is outdated we no longer need more labor to fuel our industies.

 

[knight69]

well i live in texas, and if we close our border w/ mex. who,s going to mow my yard, build my streets, replace my roof,wash my car, clean my house,patch my fence, clean the pool, and on and on and on and on!!!!!!!

 

[PinK233]

No...immigration shouldnt stop because immigrants helped build this country, and there are many good people who come from overseas who love America....the problem is there are so many people coming here illegally that its impossible to keep track of everyone and deport them...I think the INS needs a huge reform, it is well known how badly run that agency is (thank the Clinton administration)...the book I'm reading now makes a good point, the INS should be separated into two agencies- one will concentrate on illegal immigrants and their deportation and another will process legal immigration.

 

[saint808]

i agree with pink... INS needs reform... where i live i guarantee there are a lot of illegals running around... and i can't blame them to be honest... if you have ever been to mexico (rural not a tourist spot) you would relate better to them... it;'s pretty shitty and if i could get out of that situation i would too.

 

[manny78]

No need to stop it. Just put some strict criterion. The person needs to be healthy, able to work (no welfare for him/her), needs to find a job within the next 30 days, have a college degree.

 

[HUGHJORGEN]

No...immigration shouldnt stop because immigrants helped build this country, and there are many good people who come from overseas who love America....the problem is there are so many people coming here illegally that its impossible to keep track of everyone and deport them...I think the INS needs a huge reform, it is well known how badly run that agency is (thank the Clinton administration)...the book I'm reading now makes a good point, the INS should be separated into two agencies- one will concentrate on illegal immigrants and their deportation and another will process legal immigration.

Yes, Clinton's immigration policies brought TB back to this country after it had all but been wiped out!

 

[supertech69]

I believe that there should be some very strict guidelines for becoming an american at this point. We need to clean our own house before we invite more guests. We have natural born american children starving on our streets & not being able to afford further education yet we will allow an immigrant to collect monies for nothing, establish business' that are tax exempt & send them to college on our hard earned dollars. How can anyone see this as being right or fair? I don;t think it should stop forever but, we need to close the gate & reorganize as well as get our priorities straight. I feel sorry for the children starving in foreign lands also because children are children but, our children and citizens should be first in line!

 

[SofaGeorge]

Guys, you are missing the point, and you are assuming all immigration is coming to America. It isn't. Every decent country in the world is being flooded by people trying to leave every shit hole country.

I'm not talking about criteria for good citizens coming into America. I'm talking about whether or not the free world in general is actually creating a terrible situation world wide by allowing and encouraging this kind of exodus from third world and oppressed nations.

We have really only had mass transportation for the last 50 or so years... and mass mode transportation for the last 100 or so years. So this phenomena of draining entire nations of their best and brightest is a relatively new phenomena.

What are we creating by allowing people to freely leave less privileged nations.

 

[VballPlayer]

well i live in texas, and if we close our border w/ mex. who,s going to mow my yard, build my streets, replace my roof,wash my car, clean my house,patch my fence, clean the pool, and on and on and on and on!!!!!!!

I agree with most of the comments about immigration, being only a second generation American myself I have strong feelings about immigrants and what they have done for this country and are continuing to do for this country. I am not sure if the above comment was meant to be derogatory or not but it is a correct comment. Who is going to do all that? I live in California and if it were not for Mexicans, legal and illegal immigrants California would crumble. They take the jobs that no one else wants. They work in the fields and pick the fruit and tend the fields that support the agricultural economy in California. What would we do without these workers? They not only work here but they also spend money here and they are a vital part of the economy of Los Angeles and California and the US as a whole.

I think that regulation and stricter policies should be in place. A slow down of immigrants may be a good idea but to stop it completely is a mistake.

 

[SofaGeorge]

I agree with most of the comments about immigration, being only a second generation American myself I have strong feelings about immigrants and what they have done for this country and are continuing to do for this country. I am not sure if the above comment was meant to be derogatory or not but it is a correct comment. Who is going to do all that? I live in California and if it were not for Mexicans, legal and illegal immigrants California would crumble. They take the jobs that no one else wants. They work in the fields and pick the fruit and tend the fields that support the agricultural economy in California. What would we do without these workers? They not only work here but they also spend money here and they are a vital part of the economy of Los Angeles and California and the US as a whole.

I think that regulation and stricter policies should be in place. A slow down of immigrants may be a good idea but to stop it completely is a mistake.

This misses the point of my question completely. I'm not asking what this does for us. I'm asking what this does to Mexico or other countries that are seeing educated, hard working citizens leave in mass?

Is a Mexican immigrant getting a good job in California doing anything to end 100 years of ingrained polical corruption in Mexico? Is this giving anyone in TJ motivation to shut down violent narco trafficing gangs.

An immigrant from Mexico coming to the US is vastly different from an immigrant from Palestine coming to the US... but the base issues are still similar in some ways.

 

[supertech69]

I understand what you are saying. Like the ghettos & slums of our cities. You are in essence creating the same thing on a much larger scale.

 

[manny78]

BTW, why would you feed foreigners if you can't feed your own people ? Same goes for international aid to third world countries. No need to go in Ethiopia, just look in front of the White House....

 

[SofaGeorge]

I understand what you are saying. Like the ghettos & slums of our cities. You are in essence creating the same thing on a much larger scale.

Exactly.

 

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

It's a good thing if you live in a developed country. You're receiving another countries best, brightest, and most motivated people. It's sort of like sports teams offering the best players more money. The Yankees will continue to win as long as they can afford the best players but it sucks if you're the Tampa Devil Rays, you just keep getting worse.

 

[Citruscide]

An exodus of people leaving a nation that is in a horrible state is common place... not all of them are coming to America... but necessiarly other countries around the world.

The question to be asked is if it will actually HELP to keep everyone in their nations??? I used the Canada/USA as an example... but you could easily subsitute Spain/England...

C

 

[VballPlayer]

This misses the point of my question completely. I'm not asking what this does for us. I'm asking what this does to Mexico or other countries that are seeing educated, hard working citizens leave in mass?

Is a Mexican immigrant getting a good job in California doing anything to end 100 years of ingrained polical corruption in Mexico? Is this giving anyone in TJ motivation to shut down violent narco trafficing gangs.

An immigrant from Mexico coming to the US is vastly different from an immigrant from Palestine coming to the US... but the base issues are still similar in some ways.

Well Vicente Fox the President of Mexico wants an open border, he wants this because the Mexican Imigrants send back more money than the people make in Mexico, the money coming back into Mexico is a large part of what keeps the Mexican Economy from crumbling. All though the people move here they are still loyal to their families in Mexico and support them with their jobs in the US. Allthough it helps Mexico it does not harm the US in anyway,because they still spend alot of money here, not all is sent back, plus they are doing the jobs that Americans do not want to do.

I don't know how it would effect drug dealers or the like.

 

[supertech69]

plus they are doing the jobs that Americans do not want to do.

It's not that they do the jobs Americans don't want to do, it's that they underbid American workers by as much as 75% - 80%. That part is in fact hurting our economy. There are many many people who have lost jobs that that they have been doing for 15+yrs because Mexican labor is cheaper. They can afford to do this because they do not own their own homes & they do not have the same bills that the majority of us have. It's easy to make rent when you've got 20 people living in a 1 bedroom apt & all of them are riding to the same job in a van. It also helps when you are an illegal immigrant that doesn't pay taxes!

 

[Doktor Bollix]

Not all immigrants are destitute illiterates. The average net worth of an Indian Institute of Technology (the best Indian technical schools) graduate in the US is $6 million. Sure, you can stop them coming, but then everyone will bitch because there aren't enough doctors and nurses for example. There's several million American immigrants in other countries, I think we'd be pissed if they all got kicked out of Saudi Arabia or Japan or wherever and hit the job market here.

As for competing with American workers, Globalization, patriotic American business is engaged in a race to the bottom across the world, trying to find the places with the cheapest labor and the weakest worker's rights laws. Increasingly you are competing not with Juan Rodriguez who came to America, but with Tran Nguyen in Vietnam. White collar workers have started to lose their jobs to the third world as bank move their back house operations abroad. Ain't information technology great? Probably just as well that immigrants are the most prolific group in starting new businesses in America; I'm glad someone is doing it.

As for taking the best from other countries, that's true, but the entire economies of some counties like Haiti and the DR for example are based on money sent home by immigrants; hundreds of billions every year go out. Some of these places are a trip away on a raft made out of coconuts. Where would all those people go if the money stopped coming? Take a wild guess. What happens when countries fall apart? Look at Afghanistan, where we now have another 20 million people on welfare at our expense probably for a couple of decades.