Shortest you waited before jumping on next cycle?

[liftsiron]

dankduke you guys that are 45 what r ur diets like?

This is off subject but I am 45 and am curious what your "ongiong" cycle looks like. Would you either post or email me?

My diet is pretty good most of the time, Most days I do two MRP's a protien bar and at least one good meal. On average I take in about 3000 calories a day. On occasion I eat pizza, Hamburgers and fries etc. but I don't make a habit of it. I never eat at fast food joints. If I get a burger its at a steak house or other good eating place. I look better at 45 than I did at 25.

My current cycle is 300mg QV deca once a week and 200mg QV prop twice a week, also .5mg arimidex daily. I'll stay with this for about 16 weeks. Then maybe I'll do a EQ, primo, anavar cycle. I'm not worried about htpa shutdown, I really don't know if at this point if I ever get full htpa restoration even with clomid. Its not something that concerns me.

 

[doubles1]

thanksf or the input LIFTS>><<


always good to know some little things like that...

 

[HansNZ]

I'm not worried about htpa shutdown, I really don't know if at this point if I ever get full htpa restoration even with clomid. Its not something that concerns me.

There's no reason to assume that you can't fully restore HPTA after several years on a cycle. It just takes longer.

I was reading an article some time ago showing the benefits of shutting down your HPTA for several years. Apparently it can significantly extend the age to which you can maintain high natural test. production.

The guys who have problems have usually over-used HCG.

 

[solidspine]

one week

 

[liftsiron]

There's no reason to assume that you can't fully restore HPTA after several years on a cycle. It just takes longer.

I do fully agree with you, I was speaking more in a figurative sense than what I actually believe. I know of a few cases where guys who have been on high dose cycles without break, impregnate their wife or girlfriend. I think that this would suggest that even on cycle in some cases with or without clomid some htpa function may resume. I know this to be true from my own obsevations over the years.

 

[2wide]

Here's one for you off'ers

At 39 yr old I do not have a natural test level except in the dumps the other guys at 40 and up are normal at just above zero so I am pretty sattisfied at staying on big then small for a long time there will be different strokes for different folks.

I do stay away from alcohol always. Any in put here because if I was to wait for my test levels to go up well I'd better get a chair cause it ain't happening in this life time at younger ages you can rebound and normalize blah,blah,blah.

 

[MadCow1]

I found that the longer I took between cycles the better the gains were for the next cycle.

When running time on/off I had to consistently raise the dosages (using close to 1 gram per week of test). After doing this for a period and then being clean for close to 2 years I was able to gain well on a newbie dosage of 300mg of deca per week (I was also bigger at this point so genetic potential should work against me). I have since obtained similar results running dbol alone at 15-20mg ED after several years clean.

This experience and other factors convince me that the body doesn't fully stabalize with time on/off regardless of natural test levels being in the normal range. I think there might be more to it than this as well as other factors.

My opinion is that there is no good reason for a purely recreational user to violate the time on/off and I'd like to see more newbs concentrating on natural gains between cycles rather than waiting for the ok to stick themselves again.

 

[HansNZ]

I found that the longer I took between cycles the better the gains were for the next cycle.

Could this be rather illusory? What I mean is that when you start a new cycle you quickly regain the mass you had before and retain water. This can be mistaken for gains. Since you wouldn't have lost this weight had you not stopped then these extra gains are largely false.

Just my 2c.

 

[MadCow1]

Could this be rather illusory? What I mean is that when you start a new cycle you quickly regain the mass you had before and retain water. This can be mistaken for gains. Since you wouldn't have lost this weight had you not stopped then these extra gains are largely false.

Just my 2c.

I was bigger when I started this cycle - I had all the previous mass + just a tad more. No regaining here.

Water weight? I don't consider that gains - I've had enough experience to make the call. I retained nearly all gains 6 months post cycle so that should be enough time to dispose of the excess water.

Extended periods off have enabled me to utilize lower dosages than when I ran time on/off. Either that or I never required higher dosages and they did not benefit me in any way (and this conclusion would go against just about everyone's personal experience including my own).

The problem with these boards is that you don't get a population of guys who've taken extended time off. I know several others who've reported similar results (dosages vary among us).