Short Cycles--bulking

[Kakdiesel]

I've talked to some people around in teh past and stuff and also this guy i use to work for who owned an online sports supplement company and they've all mentioned this thing called teh short bulking cycle.

One doctor who was friends with the guy i worked for said this:

try mutltiple shots of something like Sust250 (like 2-3 times weekly) for 3 weeks then stop...he said that the short cycle wont damage the HPTA axis hardly and that the mass gained in that short time (which would be only 10-15 pounds at the most) will largely be kept..

any thought on this???

some of the emails he sent me made sense but i woudl think that the mass gained would be A) smaller and B) lost easily

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

I see a lot of misconceptions of what constitutes a"short cycle"going on lately.I constantly hear so and so talk about"Yeah,I'm planning on doing a short cycle that will consist of four weeks of test".This is missing the whole benificial strategem behind this newer"fad"type of cycling,and I'll explain why that is--2 WEEKS is the maximum one should be"on",for the following reasons:In the first two weeks of high androgen levels,pituitary response to Leutenizing-Hormone-Releasing-Hormone(LHRH)not only does not decrease,it actually IMPROVES(Which basically means your pituitary is sensitized,and therefore leutinizing hormone output is increased,which is obviously quite benificial).BUT-AFTER THE 2 WEEK POINT:The pituitary rapidly becomes unresponsive to L-H-R-H.Thus,both the Hypothalamus(which produces L-H-R-H)and the Pituitary(which produces Leutenizing Hormone)are now in a state of inhibition,and must ride out a longer recovery process.The moral here is,from a SUPPRESSIONAL standpoint--You guys that are stretching your cycles out past the two week point might as well just do the standard 8 week cycles,since full inhibition has already occurred.If kept to 14 days and under,recovery is almost immediate,as only the hypothalamus has to recover,not the pituitary.Here's some helpful hints for staying within the time frame,thus reaping the benifits behind this particular method of cycle:Stick to orals and injectibles with short acting esters.Any of the orals are acceptable as they all have fast clearance times out of the body.Suitable injectibles include:Suspensions(Aqueous,Winstrol)acetates,propionates,and phenylpropionates.Hope this clears up some of the misconceptions and helps any of you fellas thinking about experimenting with this method in the future.---Huck


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[Busta]

Huck could you post a good 2 week cycle and do you need to take clomid with a cycle like this? Could you take one shot of prop 100mg/ed for 2 weeks.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Huck could you post a good 2 week cycle and do you need to take clomid with a cycle like this? Could you take one shot of prop 100mg/ed for 2 weeks.

Day 1-Frontload-test prop at 300mgs.
Days 2-12-t-prop at 100mgs/day
Days 1-13 50mgs/day of d-bol
Arimidex or liquidex at 1-2mg/day from week 1-4

With the liquidex,clomid should not be needed.

 

[Primal X]

So if you ran two week cycles, you could do 1 every month if you apply the time on=time off theory, correct?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

So if you ran two week cycles, you could do 1 every month if you apply the time on=time off theory, correct?

Actually,it is theorized that the hypothalamus needs four weeks of recovery to fully optimize G-R-H productivity and normalize.So one cycle every six weeks is more optimal according to this theory of cycling.

 

[Backhouse]

I am seeing this 'short' cycle method being used more and more, and with great effect.
One guy I personally know, who came third at the British Nationals this year, uses a 4 on 4 off regime.
He has been cycling in this way for around 18 months and his gains have literally gone through the roof.
As Huck has mentioned, this guys belief is that the shorter cycles do not inhibit testicular function to the extent of a long cycle. Therefore gains are better maintained when off.
Personally I have cut down to using a 7 week cycle which comprises of 4 weeks on a long acting compound followed by 3 weeks on a short acting compound which is then followed by a 3 week off period.
The late Paul Borresons book, The Stack, which although advocates ridiculously high doses, clearly outlines the benefits of a 21 day cycle.
Based on what Huck has said I'll definatley be giving the 2 week cycle a go. It just seems to make sense.

 

[serge]

during a short cycle you will gain 15lb of intramascular water, assuming you use fast acting compounds, sustanon is not a good choice for that; but you gains will not have much time to materialize and once you come off, the water will be pissed out and you are back to square one

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

during a short cycle you will gain 15lb of intramascular water, assuming you use fast acting compounds, sustanon is not a good choice for that; but you gains will not have much time to materialize and once you come off, the water will be pissed out and you are back to square one

See my above cycle.With the addition of liquidex,you will not see this induction of estradiol fluid retention,so you will not see those mass excretions post cycle either.The whole idea of the frontload is to flood your system with androgen quickly and get the body in an immediate therapeutic state of anabolism.You will be experiencing increased biosynthesis of proteins rather quickly on this type of a cycle,and that will contribute to very real gains in LBM.

 

[musclecm]

Short Cycle

I will be using this short cycle theory (2on/4 off) over the next six months to really give it a fair assessemt. I have only taken 1 cycle before (test and fina) but really had an issue with suppression so I think this theory might be much better for me personally. I hope to put on some good lbm and then use a more traditional peaking cycle for my show. But I do beleive this system has alot of merit. I will be using fina, d-bol and propinate hopefully as well. Clomid for four weeks. Huck-my last shot should be day 12 correct?