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All You Need To Know About Fina
As you can tell by reading the boards every day, Fina is obviously one of the most popular "supplements" in the bodybuilding community today, and for all the right reasons.
I am writing this post due to the obscene amount of private messages I have recieved recently and the even larger number of posts on the subject of Fina. I am sure many of you have read Huck's AWESOME thread entitled "The Power Of Trenbolone." That thread was very scientific to say the least, so I am taking it upon myself to write out a condensed version of that thread in lamens terms. I will attempt to cover every aspect that has been talked about recently...if I miss something than people like Huck, Fonz, Zyg, and (even though I despise him greatly) TxShortPenis to chime in, along with anyone else who has questions or other various points. Here goes....
Fina is considered by many, including myself obviously, to be
The Gear of the Gods. Those who have not had the pleasure of experiencing the joy that is fina seem to be in the minority these days. Fina is cheap, safe, and extremely effective.
What is it?
Fina (whos scientific name is Trenbolone ) is a derivative of the chemical nandrolone. Tren does not convert to estrogen, so supplementing with anastrozole, lestrozole, or any of those popular compounds will do no good combatting the gyno that may be caused by using Tren, but we will get to that later.
To quote Huck, " [Tren] is the strongest androgen receptor binder on the planet. " This in itself is amazing considering it is a derivative of a compound that is far less androgenic. If you read Huck's post (now in the Best of Elite Fitness forum) you will see a scientific study that shows how Tren is three times as anabolic as testosterone, while being doubly as anabolic.
Tren is commonly used in cattle. Farmers inject Tren into their cows in the months leading up to their slaughter to rapidly increase lean weight gain, which makes for some yummy steaks.
Where can I get it?
Capitalizing on the fina frenzy, sources began producing their own home-made trenbolone and put them on the market. Ttokkyo was the first actual company to produce trenbolone for human use. Needless to say, the prices were and still can be outrageous.
What are we to do then? Well make your own you lazy bastard! Fina pellets can be purchased legally from any vet store. Look for either their Finaplix-H or Component T-H, which IS fina, just more of it. These are usually priced at around $50 and $75, respectively.
Unless you have the brain capacity of llama (Mustang_18 ) you will immediately realize that using an implant gun to shoot these fina pellets into your body is a painful and unneccesary experience. There are in fact a few safer and less excrutiating method to experience the power that is fina:
Orally: It seems that some have attempted to place the fina pellets under their toungue until dissolved. Aside from being about as tasty as TxShortpenis' loose anus, this method will yield minimal results, if any at all.
DMSO Method: Basically, this consists of crushing up the pellets and adding them to a topical delivery system. You then rub the composite onto your body in various places (behind the knees, for example). This will yield better results than the previous method, however the results may not be spectacular, and you will smell like trenbolone 24/7, which will not make you that popular with the ladies.
Injections: In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, this is the ONLY way to use fina. I know you are probably asking, "Hey Almighty you ignorant piece of shit! How the fuck would you go about injecting something in pellet form?" Listen here, shitheads, you can purchase a kit to make the transformation from pellet form to liquid form.
The main concern when this method is brought up is,
"Hey, Almighty. Im no chemist you insensitive prick. What am I to do?" First of all, you got a real bad attitude son. Second, I am the farthest thing from a chemist. Making fina is easier than baking a cake, and no I am not joking. All kits come with step-by-step instructions on how to convert your fina. The entire process can take anywhere between 2 hours to 12 hours. The majority of this time is waiting for the pellets to dissolve in the oil that is supplied via the kit that you purchase. If you want to look at a great site that has pictures of this process, simply go to
http://www.elitefitness.com/members/finaplix/
The kits give out a 75mg/ml concentration of the golden goodness. Of course, you can alter this by changing the amount of solution you use, but 75mg is typically the standard dose.
One more small thing...for best results, due to its short half-life, fina must be injected at least every other day (EOD). For OPTIMAL results, every day (ED) injections are encouraged. This is what intimidates many of those who are interested in using fina. Take it from me and the countless numbers of those who have used fina...the ED/EOD injections are not a problem at all. You get used to them in a short amount of time, and do not want to stop doing them once you see the phenominal results. I know that your asses are probably getting sore thinking about all of those injections, but fear not. Fina is great for site injections. I inject into my bis, tris, delts, and pecs with no fuss, no muss.
How should I use Fina?
As I stated above, the standard dose of fina is usually 75mg. While in 95% of people this dose results in little sides and great results, many people opt for 37.5mg (1/2 ml) every day.
Fina kicks in very rapidly (many notice results within the first week) so the standard 10 week cycle is not necessary. Fina is a great addition to a 10-12 week cycle consisting of test, eq, primo, etc. I advise adding fina at the end of the cycle, the last 5-6 weeks perhaps. Be sure to extend the fina past the rest of the cycle if you are using compounds that take longer to clear your system (e.g. sustanon/omnadren, eq, deca). This way, you can start your post-cycle therapy directly following your last dose of fina.
If all else fails, a 6 week fina cycle never lets anyone down. Combine fina with other fast acting compounds such as test prop or winny and you have yourself one helluva cycle with a minimum cost. Using myself as an example, in 6 weeks of using fina @ 75mg/ed and winny @ 50mg/ed I gained 22 pounds and lost 2% bodyfat. Not bad for 6 weeks, huh?
Should I use Fina to Bulk or Cut?
Due to the fact that God himself was on fina when he created the world in 7 days, fina is great for either. Fina is extremely anti-catabolic which makes it the drug of choice for cutting. People report an actual increase in weight while their bodyfat drops. Fina is renound for its ability to transform your physique.
For bulking, well just add some test, dbol, or any of your other favorite bulking supplements and watch the weight and strength pile on while experiencing little or no increase in bodyfat.
Is Fina Dangerous?
In my opinion, the horror stories you hear about fina are extremely overdone. Fonz ran fina for more than 20 weeks....20 fucking weeks and reported no problems whatsoever. All you have to do is to do your homework, take the necessary precautions for the liver and kidneys (ALA and 2 gallons of water every day, respectively) and chances are you will be good to go, as long as the dose is reasonable.
By the way, the sides of fina are pretty much the same as all other steroids, such as acne, hair loss, etc. Fina does seem to cause an increase in aggression in some people. Of course, as long as you have at least a minimal amount of will power, this aggression can be contained and expelled only in the gym during a greuling workout.
Now, what about gyno? Ask anyone around and you will see that, although it can happen, gyno from fina is quite rare. Arimidex, etc will not prevent gyno from fina, so if you are truely paranoid, simply supplement with 50mg of winny EOD.
If you are like me, you may get a slight case of gyno after the cycle has ended. Many seem to think that this may be prolactin induced. This gyno can, 99% of the time, be easily cured by supplementing with 1 gram of vitex (chaste berry) every day until the symptoms dissapear. In my case, it took only a few weeks.
Is fina adequate for someone doing their first cycle? Yes and no. I feel that if you have done your homework, fina will work quite well with a lack of sides as long as you are smart and keep an eye on what you are doing. Keep in mind, however, that fina is very strong and, like all other steroids, may not be for everyone. I know that the frequency of injections can deter many from using fina in their first cycle. If you can go along with it, however, I assure you that the results will be like nothing you have ever experienced before.
Thats pretty much it gentlemen. It took me only about an hour to write this, so I may have left some things out. As I said above, feel free to add or subract anything you see fit. Happy Growing.
perhaps you could explain how and why fina is so astounding when it comes to fat burning? I know you told me before, but I could not remember or find the exact post, so I didnt wanna fuck the whole thing up.
"Saint7
Just my 2 cents worth but, I read that the possible reasons for the gyno is the estrodiol in Component T-H and some of the others. However the Finaplix-H does not have it. Can anyone Confer? Saint7 "
well buddy finaplix dosent contain estrodiol Implus-H and Synovex-H each contain 20 mg of testosterone propionate, along with 2 mg of estradiol benzoate, per pellet.
Finaplix-H
This cattle implant contains 20 mg of trenbolone acetate (TA) per pellet. and thats all
some people believe that the estradiol is put in some vet steroids to prevent abuse by freaks like you and me but i believe that it is a superior anabolic for cattle to be slaughtered because the estradiol will cause fat gain while the prop will cause muscle gain
end result big fat heavy cows and steers and bulls etc
cattle dont care about gyno and heavy cows(dosent have to be muscle) sell for more
http://www.testosterone.net/html/body_84julia.html
this is the link for the fina gyno post i made
This is a very good post!
I would like to add to your excellent post if I may.
Some consider Trenbolone acetate a better pure muscle builder than test. The ultra vet "Ulter" one of these men.
Many, including myself, believe that a tren/test stack is the ultimate stack. As little as 500mg or test per week and 50 mg of tren per day cann result in dramatic gains for all but those that are way past their natural max size.
It is wise to use a little test with tren or you will likely lose your sex drive.
Alternatively you could use 100 mg of proviron per day.
In regard to the daily injections I would like to say that #1...do not make the tren stronger than 75 mg per ml if you are brewing your own. 100mg per ml does hurt, and really hurt for site injections and 150 per ml is impossible even in the glutes due to the high BA concentration.
Use an insulin syringe and a 1.5 inch 27 gauge pin(they can be found). The tiny 1 cc insulin syringe gives good pushing power on the plunger and the 27 pin is painless. If you use 25 gauge pins or larger scar tissue can form .
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catfinaplix.htm
this cats article has some pretty good references and he states that fina can be "progestagenic" which is the problem with deca gyno
Vitex is pretty cheap
http://allstarhealth.com/detaildisp...ductID=12331177
This is for 1..cartridge of finaplix-h and 1... 2gm kit
With a 2% loss of product in the conversion
If you do everything correctly the Oil(mls) to mg strenth would be as follows.
10ml = 194mg/ml
11ml = 176mg/ml
12ml = 161mg/ml
13ml = 149mg/ml
14ml = 138mg/ml
15ml = 129mg/ml
16ml = 121mg/ml
17ml = 114mg/ml
18ml = 107mg/ml
19ml = 102mg/ml
20ml = 97mg/ml
21ml = 92mg/ml
22ml = 88mg/ml
23ml = 84mg/ml
24ml = 80mg/ml
25ml = 77mg/ml
A word of caution. Some kits have 5mls of magic solution (this is the main factor of pain) and some only have 3mls.
So most people that have tried to convert a higher mg product just take out the oil.
This raises the ratio of "solution to oil" mixture....Which causes the more painful injections.
A better way to raise it would be to add more pellets to a 2gm kit
I"ll do an experiment to see how much can be converted in 3mls on "magic solution"..
and report on it with numbers.
So unless you know and understand the ins and outs of this,
Just stick with converting with all the product(finaplix pellets), oil and magic solution.
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This is for 2..cartridges of finaplix-h and 1... 4gm kit
With a 3% loss of product in the conversion
If you do everything correctly the
Oil(mls) to mg strenth would be as follows.
35ml = 110mg/ml
36ml = 108mg/ml
37ml = 104mg/ml
38ml = 102mg/ml
39ml = 99mg/ml
40ml = 97mg/ml
41ml = 95mg/ml
42ml = 92mg/ml
43ml = 90mg/ml
44ml = 88mg/ml
45ml = 86mg/ml
46ml = 84mg/ml
47ml = 82mg/ml
48ml = 80mg/ml
49ml = 79mg/ml
50ml = 77mg/ml
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