Serious question for AI

[36drew]

I know he had a 'non-serious' thread hahaha, so I thought I should clarify that this question is for real.

I've seen you use the words 'nutrient paritioning' a few times. Specifically in relation to one of the benefits of cardiovascular exercise. What exactly do you mean by this term?

 

[asdfzxcv]

I am not AI,but I will try to answer anyway.Nutrient partitioning is basically a term used to describe the percentage of nutrients deposited in muscle/fat cells.It is affected by factors such as age,genetics,exercise and diet.Exercise improves the partitioning ratio by increasing the insulin sensitivity of the muscles,thus making them more receptive to nutrients.

Body fat% can also have an affect on the partitioning on food too.Under 8-10% and your body is primed hormonally to put fat back on due to survival mechanisms of the body.Also at higher bf %s like 18-20% your sensitivity towards insulin is crap,which makes bulking at a high bf% unwise.

Hope it helps

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

I am not AI,but I will try to answer anyway.Nutrient partitioning is basically a term used to describe the percentage of nutrients deposited in muscle/fat cells.It is affected by factors such as age,genetics,exercise and diet.Exercise improves the partitioning ratio by increasing the insulin sensitivity of the muscles,thus making them more receptive to nutrients.

Body fat% can also have an affect on the partitioning on food too.Under 8-10% and your body is primed hormonally to put fat back on due to survival mechanisms of the body.Also at higher bf %s like 18-20% your sensitivity towards insulin is crap,which makes bulking at a high bf% unwise.

Hope it helps

Couldn't have said it better myself. You saved me typing.

But note that 80% of factors regarding calorie partitioning are out of our control (genetics). We can use drugs, some stuff like acetic acid (i.e., apple cider vinegar), and intelligent dieting, training and cardio, in order to maximize our own individual ability.

Basically, those with good partitioning (which is typically known as "P-ratio") will tend to gain mass without much fat, if any at all.

Then there are the genetically robbed who get a gain of 2:1 fat:muscle (lbs.) - and that just sucks.

Slow-bulking, while tedious and disheartening at times, does tend to help avoid accumulation of fat during mass gaining.

Oh, test levels help. That's why you see a lot more ripped, muscular black men - overall they have higher test levels. Fucking genetics.

 

[silver_shadow]

But note that 80% of factors regarding calorie partitioning are out of our control (genetics). We can use drugs, some stuff like acetic acid (i.e., apple cider vinegar), and intelligent dieting, training and cardio, in order to maximize our own individual ability.

here's what i found with a quick google search on vinegar for aiding nutrient partitioning
http://www.wannabebigforums.com/archive/index.php/t-63349.html
they recommend a tbsp of vinegar with a tbsp of lemon juice with every protein+carb meal.
however nothing is mentioned about when it should be taken, i'm assuming about 15-20 mins before the meal is fine... or does it matter at all? do you know how useful this is?

 

[The Shadow]

Partitioning is a reason why so many find clen to be useful, not only in dieting down but in the perservation of lean mass as well.....ECA can be thought of in the way as well...although mentoning both will get mixed reactions

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

Problem with ECA or just EC is that you become adapted to E pretty quick, and you gotta find a new supplement after a few weeks or a month.

I take a shot of vinegar after big carb meals. Some times I'll do it before. I found that stuff before, silver. I also found stuff on Avant Labs and the HST boards. I tried a bunch of ways, and before and after didn't seem to make a huge difference, if any. I do what's easier - enjoy my food, then deal with the burning in my stomach and throat for a minute.

I've heard take it with 100g carb meals or more. I honestly will take it with 50-60+ meals, but I'm also carb intolerant (which I've recently discovered) - moderate carbs works fine for me, but whenever I eat high carbs when bulking (typically I was using 350-400+ grams of carbs) I got lethargic with lots of blood sugar swings throughout the day.

 

[Cynical Simian]

I found that stuff before, silver. I also found stuff on Avant Labs and the HST boards.

Yeah, get in the game, silver.

I actually hadn't seen that one, probably 'cause I didn't look for others after seeing the rather epic Avant thread on it. I posted this link on the diet forum a long time ago (probably within my first 50 posts), but here it is for the training forum crowd:

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=2120
(I know you've already read it, AI; I'm posting it for everyone else.)

If you don't want to read the whole thread, just be satisfied that, especially given the negligible price, there's no reason not to take a shot of vinegar with your higher-carb meals.

 

[imdave0182]

If you don't want to read the whole thread, just be satisfied that, especially given the negligible price, there's no reason not to take a shot of vinegar with your higher-carb meals.

Ok, I'll be the asshole. PH levels?

 

[Cynical Simian]

Ok, I'll be the asshole. PH levels?

LOL. I was wondering whether someone would mention that, which is debated at length the thread. My take on it is that unless you take the "more is better ad infinitum" approach that has guys doing 20 sets of three different kinds of curls and drink a pint of vinegar with each meal, it's not something to worry about.