Serious ? Anyone hd ny exp w/test and thier dog

[ninesecz]

I have a 210# English Mastiff and he has a bad or torn ACL Has any one ever exp. or had tolegitmately give thier dog any type of as and for what reason? trying 2 figure out if he would do better with a 50mg once a week inj. of test or deca or something! just figure that since most of our gear is mexican vetinry grade or at least some of it is that maybe somebody knows someone tht would have knowledge of this thanks

Yes they can operate for $9000 and with his size and strength they said that 1 wrong move and he could rip the plate and the screws right out of his leg 2 days after the operation. then he would have to be euthinized!! Fuck that !! Iluv my doggie and want him around asap!!! thanks for the help in advance scott

 

[immortalis]

from seeing previous posts related to this subject... im guessing people are going to call you a sick fuck for even considering putting your dog on gear. So get ready for the flames!



Oh, and you may want to edit your name off the end of that post... if you're a paranoid fucker like me

 

[ninesecz]

If they call me a sick fucker for sking a question about a dog i love like a child then i have some fukin choice words for them also!!!!!!!

 

[mikefear]

lol no idea dude

 

[karachi183]

I actually know a guy who shot his pit up years ago.. needless to say that dog had to be put to sleep becase it attacked him and others more than once... Poor dog.. His owner should have been put to sleep and still should be!

 

[Johndogg]

Dude- My girl is about to finish up her schooling and will be a Veterinarian soon.

If she heard this she'd beat the shit out of you. (Trust me, she's feisty)

Trust the docs you're going to...your canine is not wired like a human. It would probably become a really pissed off, dominant, aggresive dog, not to mention it would probably die from heart failure (especially the biggest breeds).

I feel your pain- I've had dogs my whole life, and am a big wuss when it comes to my own....BUT, I'm not gonna break out any needles anytime soon.

Leave it up to the pros.

 

[ninesecz]

Dude- My girl is about to finish up her schooling and will be a Veterinarian soon.

If she heard this she'd beat the shit out of you. (Trust me, she's feisty)

Trust the docs you're going to...your canine is not wired like a human. It would probably become a really pissed off, dominant, aggresive dog, not to mention it would probably die from heart failure (especially the biggest breeds).

I feel your pain- I've had dogs my whole life, and am a big wuss when it comes to my own....BUT, I'm not gonna break out any needles anytime soon.

Leave it up to the pros.

neither am i !! just wondering if any vets out there actually used this sort od thing so i could have some knowledge when i find a new vet out here in vegas that is all I would never "guinea pig" my dog I think that is the stuidest thing I have ever heard!! Just looking for any info on what a vet with training and steroids would do if he would have any type of therapy or not

 

[musclemom]

I love animals, I really do. I totally understand your love of your dog and wanting to help him and realize where you're coming from ... but I want you to think, very carefully, about what you've told us: Your dog is 210 pounds. I love mastiffs, they are beautiful animals ... they are also very powerful.

Please think about what Karachi said. Dogs are not humans, they cannot reason out of instinct and rage. As much as you love your dog, and as much as he adores you, if you fuck with his brain chemistry, love/respect goes out the window and instinct kicks in. You do NOT want 210 pounds of fury trying to tear your throat out because he caught the scent of a female in heat and you tried to make him obey.

If you truly love your dog, and he is THAT important to you, then you get additional opinions, you take him to the BEST veterinary hospital facilities there are. You get the best of the best for him, don't try to do it yourself. It will end badly.

 

[rakasha681]

Dude- My girl is about to finish up her schooling and will be a Veterinarian soon.

If she heard this she'd beat the shit out of you. (Trust me, she's feisty)

Trust the docs you're going to...your canine is not wired like a human. It would probably become a really pissed off, dominant, aggresive dog, not to mention it would probably die from heart failure (especially the biggest breeds).

I feel your pain- I've had dogs my whole life, and am a big wuss when it comes to my own....BUT, I'm not gonna break out any needles anytime soon.

Leave it up to the pros.

I would have to agree, i work in an animal shelter, and with vets on a daily basis. I ran the idea past one of our "cooler" vets, and she said giving a canine test is a very bad idea, especially if its neutered, and double-especially if its a 200lb mastiff To her knowledge, test has never been used medically on dogs with good results, she said she would try and find some studies for me. She also said to ask you vet about a possible 6wk Vebonol treatment as an alternative, nothing will fix the ACL but surgery, but vebonol could help a little.

If you didnt know vebonal is the european trade name for EQ

 

[solidspine]

Ditto to what the chick said.

Get a second opinion



Your vet is soaking you,





Your pet will probably be fine with no treatment.


Our gear, could shut down his kidneys or liver, don’t have any idea, just thinking the surgery may not help but simply injecting him may complicate things worst.

 

[al420]

I gonna buck the treand here and say a lose dose of Deca may help him. Not sure if they make Deca for dogs, and if they didn;t I wouldn;t do it, but it is a thought.

Have you done a search online - I have read what seems like hundred of posts of this - true mostly from morons w/ pit bulls but still.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Dude, if you're not satisfied with what your present vet has told you, find another.... if gear was an option for your pooch, I'm sure a vet would have told you that... that being said, one thing you MAY want to consider is Adequan... that's the animal equivalent to Aflutop... I hear it works well... I'm not saying to go out and medicate the dog yourself, but ask your vet to do it... they shouldn't have a problem with that... don't cause your pet unnecessary grief, which in the end will do the same for you!

 

[melochai]

Juice is used aot in dogs, no matter what people think. How do you think Chevy Red can pull 11050 lbs at 110lbs. Dosage is different, but you do need to find a vet that can and will help, or at least an experienced dog man. Which is what you are doing, but there are better places to find those that can and will help you with advice on your pets. These guys are great for advice on you, but most of em probably don't even care about giving juice to their dogs.

 

[jokerswild]

around here dogfiights are common, most of the pits are on juice, in your case since you actually care about the dog, I would just give it time to heal on its own and them evaluate the situation....

 

[jnevin]

I gave a chiuahuah 100mg anadrol/ day and it turned into Harry and the Hendersons. Its leg stayed hurt though.

 

[CO B-man]

I have a 210# English Mastiff and he has a bad or torn ACL Has any one ever exp. or had tolegitmately give thier dog any type of as and for what reason? trying 2 figure out if he would do better with a 50mg once a week inj. of test or deca or something! just figure that since most of our gear is mexican vetinry grade or at least some of it is that maybe somebody knows someone tht would have knowledge of this thanks

Yes they can operate for $9000 and with his size and strength they said that 1 wrong move and he could rip the plate and the screws right out of his leg 2 days after the operation. then he would have to be euthinized!! Fuck that !! Iluv my doggie and want him around asap!!! thanks for the help in advance scott

I see this question every once in a while and I am just unbelievably shocked as to why people want to be veterinarians all of a sudden and juice up their dog, cat, fish and whatever the hell else they can stick a needle into. My advice is simply this. Your vet will know best. Ask him. It is not illegal for a vet to inject sterroids into an animal if he/she believes it is best for the animal. If they dont then they wont! Simple as that. It is very very hard to become a vet they need to know their Shit as much as a doctor. CSU would not even look at you unless your GPA was 4.0 or damn close to it. Let your vet do what is best for your animal if you care for it!!!

 

[ninesecz]

thanks guys PLESE understand I love ll my dogs I hve been to the best of the best CORNELL animal hospital and college in new york!! I ws just lookinf for some info you know wht the say the more you know..... Thats all please dont lead to much into it I would never do it was just asking a question!! Thanks for understanding Diezzel (my mastiff) thanks you too lol Scott

 

[musclemom]

thanks guys PLESE understand I love ll my dogs I hve been to the best of the best CORNELL animal hospital and college in new york!! I ws just lookinf for some info you know wht the say the more you know..... Thats all please dont lead to much into it I would never do it was just asking a question!! Thanks for understanding Diezzel (my mastiff) thanks you too lol Scott

I don't think anybody thought ill of you. It's a sad situation, you've got a big dog you love, and the unfortunate fact is that big dogs from certain lines are prone to joint/ligament problems, and it hurts.

What you might be able to do that really could help him is to look into dietary approaches, supplements --things like glucosamine/chondroitin, calcium/magnesium supplementation, even consider learning about feeding a whole food/raw diet. I know a lot of people who swear by the BARF diet (Bones and Raw Food) but it's a lot of work (the money is about the same as really good dog food, once you get a consistent supply of carcasses) with a big dog.

 

[pitbullrocco]

dogs & humans are alike. neither are immortal. but a dog is still not a human. they are replaceable...

good luck

 

[CO B-man]

I am not thinking bad of you I am just saying dont play vet let them do whats good for them. I rarely if ever found a vet that does not love animals as much as we love our animals so I think they are in good hands. I have been to cornell many times it was about a 45 minute drive from where I was born and raised in upstate. Its at the south tip of Cayuga lake. I used to live on the lake. It is like you said the best of the best.

 

[MILLENNIUM]

This is interesting I was just going to post something about this. I have a 9 yr old Rott love him to death. He got sick and lost about 40lbs went to skin and bones thought it was cancer 5 vets thought cancer almost died. NO CANCER weird bacteria infection. He became anemic from some of the meds and the doc was gonna give him winstrol. He didnt cause he improved with other treatment but has not regained his strength. Just weight and I had 2 other younger Rotties that take a toll playing with him. He is limping and shit and has a hard time keeping up. I am gonna talk to the Vet about giving him some winny or thinking of giving him some of the Var I take for prescription. Many think that dogs and humans are sooo different. They aren't I talked a long time to the vet about supplements and shit and its all the same stuff humans take. I do agree pumping your dog with 250-500mg of test is stupid as hell and people doing that should be punished. However with the correct dosages I see benefits. You do have to have bloodwork done just like humans should and watch for sides but I think it could be beneficial in certain situations if done responsibly. Its soo funny how irresponsible some humans cam be with AAS but then you mention thinking of giving your dog AAS they flip out and call you stupid. It amazes me. I am gonna give my dog some and have the vet monitor. The way I look at it is if it gives him more energy and helps his strength and he lives happier for the last few years its well worth it. I mean isnt that what humans take HRT for? This is the same shit. Think about how much faster you can recover from an injury with aas. People that are ignorant to this cause you're talkin about an animal piss me off. They make this shit for animals yet it's ok for us humans to pump it into our bodies and not use it on a dog or horse that could benefit from it? I think it is great, IF and I repeat IF used responsibly just like human AAS use. No way in hell I would give my dog anywhere near the amount I take. But a dosage right for him to handle or for your dog to handle I think would work weell. Watch the blood watch the kidney watch the liver. JUST LIKE ALL OF US SHOULD!!!!!!! I mean I have had some docs say for my condition they wouldn't prescribe AAS I would be less than 1/2 way to where I am now without and my surgeon and another doc write me scripts because they see that I think the benefits outweigh the potential down sides. Same shit with an injured dog. Please tell me how its different?

 

[pitbullrocco]

a typical horse steroid is Anabolin. your typical npp.

horse/dog, same thing. feed 'em both.

whats the difference?

they can't tell me where they're hurting.

and about 35K funeral costs....

 

[Zyglamail]

The question I have to ask is if the dog has a torn ACL then what the heck to you expect to acheive by using test? Steroids dont promote tendon/ligiment healing. On the contrary the promote muscle growth and muscles grow much faster than tendons/ligiments can due to the reduce vascularity so in the long run using AAS puts additional stress on these tissues.

 

[boss_]

I have a 210# English Mastiff and he has a bad or torn ACL Has any one ever exp. or had tolegitmately give thier dog any type of as and for what reason? trying 2 figure out if he would do better with a 50mg once a week inj. of test or deca or something! just figure that since most of our gear is mexican vetinry grade or at least some of it is that maybe somebody knows someone tht would have knowledge of this thanks

Yes they can operate for $9000 and with his size and strength they said that 1 wrong move and he could rip the plate and the screws right out of his leg 2 days after the operation. then he would have to be euthinized!! Fuck that !! Iluv my doggie and want him around asap!!! thanks for the help in advance scott

I have felt the same pain, since I raise bullmastiffs and they are like my children. I have been to many specialist clinics, taken out ridiculous loans, tried all kinds of 'alternative therapies', etc. The only thing I can suggest is to seek the advice of a large-animal vet. (Sometimes the vets in my area simply aren't accustomed to treating animals as large as mine...an equine vet in my area sometimes can provide better insight).

Bottom line, though: As hard as it is, sometimes what's best for them does not feel good to YOU.

Good Luck.

 

[ninesecz]

thanks for all the info guys its good to see some other dog people here!! I have all his xrays i guess im goona start ?ing vets in the vegas area ill see what they comeup with!! thanks for all tha support