Second law of Thermodynamics

[AGENT SHAGWELL]

Hi Chesty I think Captain Awesome is worried you might be threathening his awesome stature........

but I must applaude him on his snappy comeback....not too shabby....not too shabby at all...

 

[Fonz]

Captain Awesome:

THATS exactly the type of response I'd expect from
a person who is angry at not being able to understand
concepts that others can grasp.
If people followed your ridiculous rationale we'd still be
stuck in the stone age.

Grow up, and educate yourself.
Furthermore, concepts learned in high school
are SO BASIC its not even funny.

The more knowledge you possess, the more
enlightened you become.

I'l bet you read a book a year. LOL

Pretty pathetic little boy.

Godspeed

Shag-o-ma-tic is ba-ck hehe.....(couldn't resist LOL)

 

[AGENT SHAGWELL]

Ahhhyyyeeeahhh....its the Fonz.......

 

[Justtryingnot2getfat]

So, WHATEVER CREATED THE UNIVERSE IS
NON-LINEAR.

Hehe, bet you didn't know that one.

actually Fonz, i did

the continuous expansion of the universe (vs. cyles of collapse and expansion) is a rather strong evidense of a creative event, and thus a Creator. This Creator provided the enormous energy that composes the mass of the universe and thus by definition must reside outside of it nor is bounded on a linear (expanding) time scale. Thus God exists.

More importantly, due to the laws of evolution and natural selection we previously thought that with enough effort, in theory, the continuation of life as well as inannimate matter could be accurately measured and thus capable of predicting (in theory) future existence. this leaves us with Deism at best and a God who, having once set the clock is no longer at the controls. Alternatively, you could have a God to whom EVERY action is attributable as divine writ - this seems to us a "cruel" Deity for allowing murderers to work thier way or cataclismic events to occur to the detriment of human (or animal or even plant) life.

Fortunately, via our increasing understanding of quantum theory, we understand that while evolutionary theory is an excellant predictor of both past and present occurrences and modalities, it can only do so as a statistical mean!!!! What quantum theory then shows is that a small but certain amount of all matter cannot be predicted as to what state it will flux into at any one occurrence - the idea that statistically the coin toss will approach 50% but it is impossible to determin the outcome of each flip - notice the outcome is not totally random (it must be ahead or tail not a 5) but indeterminite. Yet enormous ramifications could be depending upon this one flip (especially if u will owe the bookie 50K u dont have if u lose).

This leaves us with a Deity who set the origional clock, who allows the seemingly external (to us and Him) ellement of chance and natural selection to predominate and thus cannot be attributed to for all happenings (tho being outside of time He may be aware of the eventual outcome) yet has left room to influence events, and is thus active, in the universe (and our) affairs.

THIS is, methinks a topic worthy of discussion.

 

[Justtryingnot2getfat]

i dont see anything in that whole piece of crap you wrote that gives any evidence of the existence of some deity.

that is because it requires two very important capabilities that you seem to be unwilling to avail yourself of:

1) reading
2) thinking

by availing yourself of these quite natural gifts that all posess to some varying degree you might (or might not) be able to coordinate an elightening and meaningful response based on at least a remote understanding of the premise here undertaken - whether it agrees with my conclusions or not.

 

[chesty]

Well that may be, but It does bring up an interesting point.

Suppose for an instance at the moment just prior to the Big bang, what was outside of the singularity? and what was outside of it? To what are we expanding into and to what will we collapse into (if we do collapse)

By the way, the crap I have spewed so far, I do use to make a living and quite a good one.

I also, do not believe that any of this is above anyones head and I am probably the least able to comprehend most of what physics is and talked about.

 

[Fonz]

listen i read and understood everything. so you figure that because a coin toss is not always exactly 50 percent heads and 50 percent tails that god must have predetermined the results of the coin toss? thats retarded. you try to make it sounds smart by throwing in the words quantum physics but you dont even use any quantum physics.


you mention the big bang theory and say the power needed to cause the bang had to have been provided by god. well then why didnt the mass have to have been provided by god? obviously people who believe in the big bang theory dont believe the mass was provided by god so why the hell should they believe the energy was provided by god? you gave absolutely no more evidence than the obvious crap that has been said a million times.

you just said a bunch of crap and then said it proves there must have been a god, but in reality nothing you said proved the existence of a god. it was a bunch of bull. you may be able to fool a moron into thinking your intelligent by throwing in some fancy words but anyone with half a brain can see your entire argument is bullshit.

If I started to explain Quantum physics to you you'd probably
die from brain overload.

You strike me as a small-minded little-boy who just shuns
what he can't grasp/explain.

The reason this whole conversation is being kept in SIMPLEST
TERMS is for EASE OF COMMUNICATION you fool.!!!!!

In case you're wondering I STUDY AEROSPACE(masters), chesty
has done aerospace also, so we're qualified to talk about it.

And to answer your previous retard post, my financial burdens have
already been taken care of. Hence, I can devote my time to
RESEARCH.
I really do pity you. You think life is just about making money????
I'd rather contribute something to the human race as a whole than
just make pots and pots of money.

Your type of mentality is going to get you nowhere.

Judging from your responses, this whole thread is way over your
head anyways. Go take a hike, you're embarrassing yourself
more and more each time you post.


Godspeed

 

[Justtryingnot2getfat]

well i must say that that is an improvement.

so you figure that because a coin toss is not always exactly 50 percent heads and 50 percent tails that god must have predetermined the results of the coin toss? thats retarded. you try to make it sounds smart by throwing in the words quantum physics but you dont even use any quantum physics.

acutallyy quite the opposite - it is always 50% if a large enough statistical sample is taken yet the outcome of each flip is indeterminate. a better example is light which we always thought to act simply as a wave. yet we find that in shining it into a mirror a certain number of particals would pass through it rather than be refracted or reflected. perhaps it is 95:5 ratio but still significant. the problem is of course there is NO WAY of knowing which 5 of the 100 IDENTICAL light particles will pass through beforehand. - this is also a current problem with fiberoptic transmissions over teh long haul, tho they are building better mirrors, it seems that it can never be perfect.

the point is the law of natural selection would indicate either that there is no God or he is a Deist (now inactive)entity or a God who keeps the worlds a spinning by a "miracle" since all things could be measured (and thus determined) by observable physical laws and forces - the quantum theory adds chance back into the mix which kills all three possibilities becase chance alone doesnt explain the resulting end of the paleo charts (people) nor the functioning of the universe. if we look at the diversity of life before us there is little reason to think that the extint creatures would not have survived and so some unseen push (tho not necessarily a deity but then what?) seems to have come along at crucial times in life and the universes development. the proofs of thisare long and well regarded by even the most dedicated eveolutionists (btw: i do not ? evolution's occurrence only its significance). chance also opens up the power of choice to a previously deterministic fate devoid of meaning since "the fittest will alway ssurvive". this gives a Deity a hand in human affairs while preserving the consequenses of our own free will and resulting actions.

as to the big bang - go read a bit more - see what hawking and others believe -penrose is an athiest to be sure but even he is unable to disprove the significance of a singular event and a continually expanding universe.

 

[chesty]

To help humanity does not require a financial gain. You either want to because it pleases you to do so or you are selfish like most of us and do it because it makes you money and ups your position in life. Nothing wrong with that.

I do not believe in a god at all, I do not not have the answers either. But I find it interesting. In fact a Star Trek episode, where Dr. Crusher was trapped in a warp bubble was a very convincing theory to the multiple universe's and that we tend to create our own reality.

 

[Justtryingnot2getfat]

it is fortunate that the Deity in whom i belive is more merciful and suffering of such people than i but i do believe he spoke about you in his book - "the fool has said in his heart, there is no God"


BTW: the point is there is no definitive proff of God - and i think he wants it taht way - its call ed faith. Yet science has certainly not disproved His existence but rather offerred insite why He is necessary.

chesty -

Suppose for an instance at the moment just prior to the Big bang, what was outside of the singularity? and what was outside of it? To what are we expanding into and to what will we collapse into (if we do collapse)

good ? and here is a similar tact - all matter=energy and energy cannot be created or destroyed and is thus constant in the universe - where the heck did all the energy come from????? to create a singular event that enabled expansion to happen at just teh precise rate in order to form stars and planets without turning into all heavy elements that could never support life.


BTW: both of u guys are way above me im sure astrophysics, cosmology and paleontology/paleoarthropology origin theory are hobbies which i can indulg in all too infrequently

but to me it is vital to understand the importance of the answer than to only know how to obtain it.