second cycle

[callum84]

New to the forums, have been reading about steroids for just over a year, decided to try a 6 week winny only cyle, went ok, noticed a little gains, decent increase in strength and felt an overall better feeling.

I know what you all think about winny only cycles and was flamed on another site for it, i went with this simple cycle as a starter to see how my body reacted to it, im a bit paranoid in that respect. wasent really looking to bulk up, but to be honest was more of a waste of money in my oppinion.

Now ready to try another cycle, want to keep it fairly beginner level again, what would you all recomend, results vs side effects. Would prefer to stay with orals, or weekly injections and not daily. looking for some decent gains this time round.

I do cardio most days, work out 4 days out of 7, my diet is as well as can be expected.

Age 23
148lbs
5ft8

Thanks in advance

Callum

 

[GUARDIAN]

you probably don't want to hear this or have heard it befor but i would try to bulk up a bit naturally. i think u got some more growing to do. at 23 you should still have some good natural test levels. I would wait a few years.

with that said i think beginners should do primo & anavar (if they can afford it). it is a great first cycle and the sides should be minimum. if you got a good diet all your gains will be lean and most should be keepable.

drop the cardio. unless you got a really high bf and are trying to cut up or if you need the cardiovascular endurance for sports. save those spent calories on GROWING!

I havent answered all your questions but that should give you a head start.

 

[callum84]

you probably don't want to hear this or have heard it befor but i would try to bulk up a bit naturally. i think u got some more growing to do. at 23 you should still have some good natural test levels. I would wait a few years.

with that said i think beginners should do Primobolan - methenolone - & anavar (if they can afford it). it is a great first cycle and the sides should be minimum. if you got a good diet all your gains will be lean and most should be keepable.

drop the cardio. unless you got a really high bf and are trying to cut up or if you need the cardiovascular endurance for sports. save those spent calories on GROWING!

I havent answered all your questions but that should give you a head start.

thanks for the advice mate, most of the cardio is sports related. I used to weigh a lot more and do weight training but dropped most of this with the sports i got into few years back. Looking to bulk up again so cutting down the cardio might be a good idea, got a low bf.

I have actually been thinking about decca, wat you think?

 

[EricG]

Decca on your first injectable problably not a good idea. Like 8and20 said Primo is good shit with barelly no sides or a test since your trying to bulk.

-G

 

[GUARDIAN]

thanks for the advice mate, most of the cardio is sports related. I used to weigh a lot more and do weight training but dropped most of this with the sports i got into few years back. Looking to bulk up again so cutting down the cardio might be a good idea, got a low bf.

I have actually been thinking about decca, wat you think?

Decca is a more advanced aas imo. Stick with primo or test. If you choose test don't use an oral. I would suggest perhaps test prop 100mg eod (avg 350mg a week) or test-cyp or test-e 300-400mg ew. This way if you are prone to any sides you will know immediately that is the test as opposed to trying to decide whether its the oral or the injectible. I would run it in the neighborhood of 8-10 weeks.

Have an AI on hand such as arimidex.

PCT - HCG & Clomid or Nolva

 

[jumpmaster82]

primo and test should do ya good bro

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Well at
5'8
145
i think you got some more work to do on training and diet, you got to eat to get big and 23 you got time ,
What does your food intake look like for a standed day give us a look,you could put on another 20 lb natty in no time .

Brad.

 

[callum84]

cheers for the advice guys, going to go with testosterone cypionate 300mg ew. have some novaldex already, would this be enough for any in cycle problems?

as for pct, novaldex and HCG. Ive heard a lot of conflicting info about HCG, a lot of people not using it as they think its not needed, suppose if you guys use it its for a good reason. See it comes in the form of - 3 X 1500 IU in amp & 3 X 1ml amp...... any info on this??

Sorry about all the questions but just one more, ive still got around 200 5mg winny tabs left, would it be any benefit adding these to the cycle, or starting these untill my test arrives??

ll post up my diet and see if you can give me any advice there aswell.

thanks
callum

 

[needtogetaas]

you probably don't want to hear this or have heard it befor but i would try to bulk up a bit naturally. i think u got some more growing to do. at 23 you should still have some good natural test levels. I would wait a few years.

with that said i think beginners should do Primobolan - methenolone - & anavar (if they can afford it). it is a great first cycle and the sides should be minimum. if you got a good diet all your gains will be lean and most should be keepable.

drop the cardio. unless you got a really high bf and are trying to cut up or if you need the cardiovascular endurance for sports. save those spent calories on GROWING!

I havent answered all your questions but that should give you a head start.

what he said...
eat sleep train. o ya tee bag the floor!!!!!!!!!

 

[GUARDIAN]

cheers for the advice guys, going to go with testosterone cypionate 300mg ew. have some novaldex already, would this be enough for any in cycle problems?

as for PCT - post cycle therapy - , novaldex and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . Ive heard a lot of conflicting info about HCG, a lot of people not using it as they think its not needed, suppose if you guys use it its for a good reason. See it comes in the form of - 3 X 1500 IU in amp & 3 X 1ml amp...... any info on this??

Sorry about all the questions but just one more, ive still got around 200 5mg Winstrol - stanozolol tabs left, would it be any benefit adding these to the cycle, or starting these untill my test arrives??

ll post up my diet and see if you can give me any advice there aswell.

thanks
callum

u probably can recover from 300mg of test ew without hcg but u may still want to have it on hand. the sponsors of this board have some interesting all natural pct choices to subsitute for hcg. I am not as familiar with those so someone else will have to give u advice on how to take them. Get the 3x1500iu amps.

For oral winstrol a good dose is 50-75mg ed and you got about a 20 day supply. I would save it and see how u do with the test. imo winstrol is more "cosmetic" than anything for those with lower bf to begin with. but others swear by it.

 

[callum84]

New to the forums, have been reading about steroids for just over a year, decided to try a 6 week Winstrol - stanozolol only cyle, went ok, noticed a little gains, decent increase in strength and felt an overall better feeling.

I know what you all think about Winstrol - stanozolol only cycles and was flamed on another site for it, i went with this simple cycle as a starter to see how my body reacted to it, im a bit paranoid in that respect. wasent really looking to bulk up, but to be honest was more of a waste of money in my oppinion.

Now ready to try another cycle, want to keep it fairly beginner level again, what would you all recomend, results vs side effects. Would prefer to stay with orals, or weekly injections and not daily. looking for some decent gains this time round.

I do cardio most days, work out 4 days out of 7, my diet is as well as can be expected.

Age 23
148lbs
5ft8

Thanks in advance

Callum

Sorry my weight is 158lb - 72kg, bad conversion from kilos lol

 

[callum84]

u probably can recover from 300mg of test ew without HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - but u may still want to have it on hand. the sponsors of this board have some interesting all natural PCT - post cycle therapy - choices to subsitute for HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . I am not as familiar with those so someone else will have to give u advice on how to take them. Get the 3x1500iu amps.

For oral winstrol a good dose is 50-75mg ed and you got about a 20 day supply. I would save it and see how u do with the test. imo winstrol is more "cosmetic" than anything for those with lower bf to begin with. but others swear by it.

Ill go with the HCG, its cheap enough so no reason not to.

Thanks for the help, appreciated

 

[needtogetaas]

Ill go with the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , its cheap enough so no reason not to.

Thanks for the help, appreciated

non of the products can truly take the place of hcg.. They do however work in many Wondrous ways to make pct more smooth and enjoyable.

 

[callum84]

another quick question guys, the test im getting comes in 2ml Amps, 100mg/1ml.
Id be easier upping the dose to 400mg right, thats 4ml to inject, heres the question, would i be better doing 2 shots of 2ml each with a 3ml syringe or get bigger syringes and shoot all at once.

Cheers

 

[xrsist]

Well at
5'8
145
i think you got some more work to do on training and diet, you got to eat to get big and 23 you got time ,
What does your food intake look like for a standed day give us a look,you could put on another 20 lb natty in no time .

Brad.

what he said

test only for a first cycle is plenty, if you cant grow off that either diet or training is shit plain and simple

 

[xrsist]

Primobolan - methenolone - and test should do ya good bro

why would he need prim.o and test for a first inject cycle? tell me why you think either alone wouldnt be enough?

 

[xrsist]

hmm..

 

[hurricane]

if u never did test before .. do it alone .. its gonna be your base for just about every cylce in the future ... see how your body reacts to it ..

 

[xrsist]

hmm...

 

[perryscoon]

hmm winstol only huh. I'm not sure who convinced you to do that but your results were exactly as I would expect, not much.

Run some test. Doesn't matter what kind. But at least 350mg per week for 8-10 weeks. You will be much happier with the results than before.

 

[xrsist]

Primobolan - methenolone - and test should do ya good bro

why would he need prim.o and test for a first inject cycle? tell me why you think either alone wouldnt be enough?

once again hmm..

 

[jumpmaster82]

why would he need prim.o and test for a first inject cycle? tell me why you think either alone wouldnt be enough?

test or primo alone would be fine alone for a first. But he's already taken winstrol in the past so its not really his first. I'm not by any means saying that either of those wouldn't be good by itself, but imo even in early beginner cycles its good to take more than one compound.
Is there any reason that test and primo would not be good in this situation?

 

[xrsist]

test or Primobolan - methenolone - alone would be fine alone for a first. But he's already taken winstrol in the past so its not really his first. I'm not by any means saying that either of those wouldn't be good by itself, but imo even in early beginner cycles its good to take more than one compound.
Is there any reason that test and Primobolan - methenolone - would not be good in this situation?

test or primo alone would be fine as he hasnt used either.. so if you take more than one compound in your first cycle and you experience sides how are you going to determine what is causing the sides?

 

[stev2843]

Bro stick with test only cycle! The best cycle i ever did was my first ever of 500mg test e.So that's why you are hearing guys tell you this! If i was you i would do 250 mg or 500 of test e. a week for 10 to 12 weeks then after 3 weeks do your pct.Keep it simple my friend!! Just my thoughts.