Second cycle what should I go with

[Pumpdup]

Hi I realize this is my first post and from reading the stickes/common sense this can come off shady. I am not asking where to obtain the substances in question just looking for advice from more experienced people.

I did 2 cycles of M1t two years ago and did develop gynecomastia from which I still have (no PCT - post cycle therapy - )

Now I would like to start another cycle and performed correctly I was thinking of Sus250 or testosterone enanthate. Not sure if I should run both and not sure the amounts etc.

For PCT i was thinking of Nolv. maybe at 20mg a day?

Since I have gynecomastia would you suggest doing Nolv. during my cycle at 10mg a day?

I would also run proper cycle support supplements liver detox etc.

Ive researched a great deal to come up with what I have and would like some more information.

Profile - 21, 250lbs, 6'3 ~16%BF. Thanks in advance and let me know if more info is needed.

 

[holy ghost]

take care of your gyno first

get some letro and nolva for now.....

 

[xrsist]

gota love prohormones...

as ghost said take care of your gyno first

 

[rambleon]

2 week of letro/femera @ 2.5 mg ed then 2 week @ 1.25 mg ed. If that doesn't help start looking at surgery. As the guys said u do not want to start a cycle before getting ur gyno sorted.

 

[AAP]

Assuming that you are going to stick with your original plan and do a cycle anyway without worrying about the gyno...

I would suggest hitting a high dose of anabolics for the cycle. At 250lbs you are going to need more anabolics than a 190lb man would require. Yeah, a small dose will boost you but why even bother to hop on the diesel if you are not going to ride it for what it's worth and get the most benefit out of it.

At 16% BF, you don't need androgens or other water retaining compounds. I would stick with things like EQ, primo, anavar, winstrol, etc... a high does will ensure you have enough to gain muscle while losing BF.

But if you are comfortable with your fat levels, then stick with a single ester test. Unless you are doing a high dose of 1 gram weekly or more and frequent injections (at least EOD), using a blend like sust is a waste unless you are actively planning your dose around the short esters involved.

I would avoid nolva at all costs. All nolva does is prevent binding to the active receptors, it doesn't eliminate estrogen. So when you come off, you still have all this estrogen floating around your system and next thing you know.. wham! You get hit by rebound side effects.

Read a bit and get the protocol for using femera to eliminate as much of the current gyno as possible. Take a small break for a couple of months, then come back with your tailored made cycle and gyno prevention (aromasin) on hand and hit it up.

 

[slat1]

At 250lbs you are going to need more anabolics than a 190lb man would require. .

I have to disagree there.
I naturally produce 302ng/dl on a range of 300 to 1,200ng/dl and I am 250lbs.
That means I don't produce shit for natural test.
100mgs a week puts me at 1,000ng/dl.
250mgs a week puts me at 3,000ng/dl. That is 10x what I normally produce at 250lbs.
250mgs a week for ten weeks will produce great, clean gains if the person knows how to eat properly and work out right.

 

[AAP]

I have to disagree there.
I naturally produce 302ng/dl on a range of 300 to 1,200ng/dl and I am 250lbs.
That means I don't produce shit for natural test.
100mgs a week puts me at 1,000ng/dl.
250mgs a week puts me at 3,000ng/dl. That is 10x what I normally produce at 250lbs.
250mgs a week for ten weeks will produce great, clean gains if the person knows how to eat properly and work out right.

Are you refering to using test?

 

[slat1]

Are you refering to using test?

Yup.
All of the above numbers are from when I was working with an Endo and having my blood work done monthly.
Nothing like having blood drawn that much. Made me sick to my stomach.

 

[slat1]

I should have specified I was refering to the amount of test a person can get results from.

 

[AAP]

Yup.
All of the above numbers are from when I was working with an Endo and having my blood work done monthly.
Nothing like having blood drawn that much. Made me sick to my stomach.

My advice was strictly from the point of using anabolics without test. I was speaking of excluding androgenic related compounds and using strictly anabolics.

 

[kidd73]

My advice was strictly from the point of using anabolics without test. I was speaking of excluding androgenic related compounds and using strictly anabolics.

What is the benefit of using anabolics without androgenics? Or should there be a good mix of both?

 

[AAP]

What is the benefit of using anabolics without androgenics? Or should there be a good mix of both?

He has a high level of bodyfat. Excluding water retaining compounds like test, dbol, etc.. will give him a better way of judging how his physique is responding and gaining are being made. Just seeing the scale numbers go up doesn't indicate anything. Except you weigh more.

He did not state what his goals were so I am assuming that he wants to end the cycle LOOKING more muscular than when he started. One way to do that is drop some BF% so he actually sees the muscles he already has. Anabolics help in this and a high dose of them will also contribute to muscle growth as opposed to weight gain.

Then again, maybe he just wants to weigh more and play lineman in the NFL. In that case I would definately tell him to use test to get his weight and overall body mass (as opposed to muscularity) up.

 

[Pumpdup]

Thanks a lot for the replies, I was going to tackle the gynecomastia first before jumping into another cycle.

I was going to dose it like this 2.5mg Femera - letrozole - ed for 4 weeks then 50mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for 4 weeks after. via "needtogetaas" advice.

After I tackle the Gyno I will move onto a cycle, I suppose this just gives me more time to research and perfect the cycle, as there is soooo much I still don't know.

Yea also my goals where to drop BF% maybe get down to 12% but really dont care about the % just how I look, and of course gain LBM.

 

[xrsist]

Thanks a lot for the replies, I was going to tackle the gynecomastia first before jumping into another cycle.

I was going to dose it like this 2.5mg Femera - letrozole - ed for 4 weeks then 50mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for 4 weeks after. via "needtogetaas" advice.

After I tackle the gynecomastia I will move onto a cycle, I suppose this just gives me more time to research and perfect the cycle, as there is soooo much I still don't know.

Yea also my goals where to drop BF% maybe get down to 12% but really dont care about the % just how I look, and of course gain LBM.

heres the best place to learn..

make sure your diet is dialed in also.
%BF plays a big role in how good you look so learn what to eat and what not to eat.

enjoy

 

[Pumpdup]

Yea my diet/training are in check, I balloned up to 293 after my m1t cycle cuz I stopped training and didnt know what to eat but over the last 7 months dropped 40lbs with solid muscle gains, but there is probably still a lot of work to do before I jump into a cycle like you said.