Second cycle what do you think?

[Wyllis]

Here is my second cycle

Deca 400mg 9 weeks
sust 250mg 9 weeks
Dbal 25mg 4 weeks
Nolv 1/2 tab a day

Any advice on this cycle would be appreciated.

Please keep in mind when giving me advice that this is only my second cycle.

Im thinking about lowering the deca and increasing the sust to 500mg weeks 3-6. Also doing dbal the whole cycle.

What do you think?

 

[decem]

increase the sust to 500mg wk 1-9
don't run the dbol more than 5 weeks
keep the deca where it is.

 

[hard]

From what I've absorbed from the dudes at this board ( and the results from my first cycle) I would say add 75mg e.d. of inj tren(fina) to the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle, ideally start it the same day your stop the dbol.

.02c from a newbie who reads alot.

Good luck with your 2nd - i'm starting mine in a few weeks and I'm gonna keep another 10lbs solid or die tryin'!

h.

 

[Wyllis]

Would these doses be too low for a second cycle

deca 200mg 9 weeks
sust 250mg 3 weeks, 500mg 3 weeks, 250mg 3 weeks.
Dbal 15mg wk 1, 25mg wk 2, 40mg wk 3, 50mg wk 4, 50mg wk 5, 40mg, wk 6, 25mg wk 7, 15mg wk 8.

This was my first cycle and I gained a load of muscle on it. I dont know whether it will be good for another cycle or should I increase the cycle to the one above.

 

[T-Biggs]

Well it doesn't look to bad although I would run the Deca at 300mg and the Sus 500mg (shots twice a week to make full use of the faster acting esters) for 10 weeks and up the dbol any where from 30 to 40mg a day for 6 weeks.
Don't use the Nolv. unless you start to see signs of Gyno (itchy, swelling, soreness around the nipple) because Nolv. will compete for your receptor sites (reseptors are what the roid bonds to) and will make your gear less effective. If signs do pop up then try Nolv. at 20mg a day for a week or until your symptoms are gone.
Now one thing you didn't include and is a must is clomid to kick start your natural test production. Now 3 weeks after your last shot of Sus start clomid like this:

300mg on day one-spread throughout the day
100mg for 10 days then 50mg for another 10 days


And as always take in at least 1-2 grams of protein per body pound, keep workouts intense, watch your diet and drink plenty of water-Good Lcuk!!!

 

[Wyllis]

I didnt include clomid because I thaught that everyone just took it for granted that everyone would be taking the stuff.

I will be taking the clomid and thanks for the advice I have only recently found out that I should take it when the sust half life ends (after three weeks).

Could you tell me say after Ive done three cycles and the third one is

sust 500mg 9 weeks
deca 400mg 9 weeks
dbal 25mg day 9 weeks

What would I do for my forth would I keep on the same cycle until the gains are not that good anymore and then push for a higher dose.

What Im really trying to say is that how do you know when you should up your doses for the next cycle?

 

[T-Biggs]

That is a good question and anyone can correct me if I am wrong but basically the only time I or really see anyone up dosages is when there is short time span between cycles because your receptors sites have not had enough time to get back to normal so more gear is needed to produce any results. Your body needs time to recover if you don't give it that time then you must up dosages. Also if you do the cycle you have listed and only gained say 10lbs but you really wanted to gain 20lbs then you know it is time to up the dosages (also consider that your diet and training could have been off then the dosages would not be a factor)-it all really depends on the individual and the situation.
So take note on your gains you achieve from this cycle-factor in the time between this and your next cycle then you can determine if the dosages need to be increased.
Another example is you see these pros taking in like 2,000mg of test per week, but they are probably on gear all year round or very, very short breaks in between cycles-were as a novice who does only two cycles a year can achieve great gains at a quarter of what they are ingesting-why because their body (receptor sites) had time to recover. I hope this answers your question

 

[Wyllis]

So if I gained 20lbs on my first cycle and wanted to gain say between 15 - 20lbs on my second cycle should I increase the doses or stay the same?

My diet is very good and so is my training.

Any help
Thanks

 

[MaxBiceps]

Whatcha Talkin' 'bout Wyllis??!!
Sorry, couldn't help myself.

It depends how long you stay off cycle. If you stay on this current cycle for eight weeks,
then go off for eight weeks and then jump back on another cycle, you won't grow as well
on the same dosages. Take more time off in between cycles, and your body will respond
better to those lower dosages.

Also, I'm with decam on upping the dosage to 500 mgs of sus a week.

 

[Wyllis]

I will tell you what Im talking about max.

I am very new to this game and I am having trouble determining whether or not I should increase the doses for my second cycle.

I have grown a shit load on my first one which was very low doses.

 

[T-Biggs]

Ok let's take it from here.......when was your first cycle? When do you plan on doing your 2nd cycle?

 

[Wyllis]

Just this week finished my first one and plan to do another around the start of October.

This was my first cycle

sust 250mg 3 wks, 500mg 3 wks, 250mg 3 wks
deca 200mg 9 weeks
dbal, 15mg 1 wk, 25mg wk 2, 40 mg wk 3, 50mg wk 4, 50mg wk 5, 40mg wk 6, 25mg wk 7, 15mg wk 8.

I am 5, 10 198lbs.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I think your cycle looks very nice but I would up the Sust to 500mg/week and start Clomid 3 weeks after your last shot of Deca and Sust

M18

 

[T-Biggs]

So basically you are taking off as much time as you were on, which is ok (I got to excited about my next cycle I waited 3 weeks then started-I was on before that for 12 weeks), however you will need to increase your dosages becuase your receptors have not been fully recovered/free of gear. I am not sure as to how long it would take to actually have freash receptor sites-I know guys that wait sometimes up to a year then to them it is like starting form scratch and their dosages are allot lower then what they have done in the past. It is kind of like the same concept that everyone preaches your first cycle will yeid the best results-why becuase your receptor sites have never been touched by gear. Does this make sense?

 

[imprint516]

def up the sus to 500mg. I guess keep the deca where it is and the dbols. you seeem to train hard and respond well so i would not worry and just use these doses. take it easy bro and dont wor ry about doses and all that. just do the sus at 500mg for 8 or 9 weeks I guess and keep the other 2 at the doses you said and just train hard and see how that goes. should go very well!! let us know!

 

[Wyllis]

I will do that.

I had a bit of trouble getting the question that I wanted answered accross. Thanks for bearing with me. Advice much appreciated.