Second Cycle NPP, Test Prop

[70m1]

Hi all,

Would love some advice on my second cycle,

Low dose test, short cycle as I want to keep DHT sides as low as possible.

Thinking:

Weeks 1 - 8:
NPP 700mg/ week - 100mg every day
test p 350mg/ week - 50mg every day
Adex 0.5mg ed
caber 0.25mg ed


Stop NPP two days before last test shot, pct 2 days after last test shot: nolva and clomid.

Any advice?

 

[dye1337]

Looks good to me! NPP gave me pretty good gains but made it hard to eat, make sure to force feed yourself.

 

[70m1]

Thanks, I hadn't heard that before.

Does any one know seriously what the deal is with finasteride when using low dose testosterone and high dose nandrolone?

I have heard

1. nandrolone converts to dhn via the 5-ar enzyme and has a higher affinity to the 5-ar enzyme then test so will out compete it so no finasteride is needed.

2. As finasteride blocks the 5-ar enzyme there will be less conversion of test to dht and nandrolone to dhn therefore reducing hair loss

3. Finasteride will make hair loss worse... (how?)

 

[RickRock13]

In my opinion your test dose is too low, and your NPP dose is too high. I have some recommendations, but first we need your stats. Those are the rules and what we need if you want advice

 

[70m1]

Hi there:

22 years old
5ft 10
92kg
bf: shoulder and chest serrations. Dont know percentage though perhaps 12%?

 

[ppgfreak]

I also think the NPP is to high. I have gotten nice gains from small amounts of test, so I'm ok with that.

But Nova? Really?

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[RickRock13]

You have a few problems going on here. I would run the test at 500mg per week and the NPP at no more than 300-400mg per week. Higher dose of NPP than that will give you some bad sides and some serious shutdown.

You also don't need to dose every day. EOD is fine.

NEVER use Nolva for PCT, especially for any nandrolones like NPP. That has man-tits written all over it. Just use Clomid for your PCT along with Unleashed/post cycle and Formastanozol

 

[70m1]

Thanks for your thoughts,

I chose a low dose of testosterone as I don't want the androgenic side effects that go with it. By the time I had combated the DHT and oestrogen I didn't gain a thing from my first test cycle.

That's why I would prefer to go with a high dose of an anabolic compound and low dose of test - but keep the test to keep myself "running properly".

As for nolva what's the problem with pct? Most boards agree with nolva and clomid as pct protocol?


EDIT: @Rickrock13 I was under the impression that you don't use nolva when using nandrolone due to man boob's - BUT once it has cleared from my system (2-3 days) what would be the problem?

Also I was under the impression that NPP was very safe and only causes progesterone side effects which caber can combat quite easily.

Also regarding shut down - very small doses of nandrolone shut down natural test completely, so why is a higher dose any worse?

And thanks I'll look into this "unleashed / post cycle" (an off counter supliment) and Formastanozol

Cheers

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks for your thoughts,

I chose a low dose of testosterone as I don't want the androgenic side effects that go with it. By the time I had combated the DHT and oestrogen I didn't gain a thing from my first test cycle.

That's why I would prefer to go with a high dose of an anabolic compound and low dose of test - but keep the test to keep myself "running properly".

As for nolva what's the problem with pct? Most boards agree with nolva and clomid as pct protocol?

If you want to run a lower dose of test, then that's fine. It just may limit what benefits you can get from it.

NPP will give good gains at even 200mg per week, so going all the way to 700mg is completely unnecessary for a cost to benefit ratio. Higher dosed Nandrolones can lead to a whole host of problems. I would just keep the dose moderate at 300-400mg and you will make good gains from that.

If you search this site, you will find a lot of info on why to not use Nolva, particularly with the Nandrolones. It's a recipe for disaster when it comes to recovery and stabilizing your hormone levels, and many end up with Gyno as a result of it. You don't need it at all, just drop it and run the clomid

 

[70m1]

As unleashed and post cycle are OTC supplements does any one have a link as to where I can buy in the UK?

Sorry if against the rules

 

[RickRock13]

As unleashed and post cycle are OTC supplements does any one have a link as to where I can buy in the UK?

Sorry if against the rules

You can get them at ntbm and they will ship to the UK

 

[70m1]

You can get them at ntbm and they will ship to the UK

Cheers, thanks for all your help

 

[calpoly]

I've always wanted to us NPP good luck