Second cycle advise

[Half_Natty]

Im looking to start my second cycle at the start/mid July and am looking for advise on this please or past expierence if you've ran something similar.

1st Cycle
Sus 250 @ 750mg PW 1-12
NPP @ 300mg PW 1-10


2nd Cycle
Test Prop (Testolic 50mg/1ml) 350mg PW/50mg ED 1-20 Weeks
NPP (NandroRapid100mg/1ml) 350mg PW/50mg ED 1-10
Tren Ace (TrenaRapid100mg/1ml) 350mg PW/50mg ED 14-20
Clenbuterol (Sopharma 0.02mg/1tab) 0.5mg PW/0.1mg PD 16-18 and 1st two weeks of PCT.

Everything is in amps but I'm going to transfer to vials so I can pin ED to help keep my blood levels stable and hopefully minimise sides.

My plan is to bulk for the first 14 weeks and then cut for the last 6 and the 1st 2 weeks of PCT using clen. so 8 week cut in total.

I know Tren is supposed to be for people that have a few cycles under their belt due to sides but from what i've read, the sides don't lessen from having more expeirience. Is it more of an 'earn your stripes first' drug in that sense? Ive seen cycles where people have ran tren and npp together with test but I think this will be to much for me which is why i've split them up. (I'm not opposed to dropping the Tren either, it's just my logic from what i've already reasearched). Also do I need a break after the NPP or can I go straight into the tren to shorten the length of the cycle?

I will be running HCG at 1000iu's PW from about week 6 or if the shrinkage starts earlier.
I will run anasrozole 0.5 EOD Throughout and Caber 0.5 EOD while on NPP and the Tren.

PCT plan is the day after last pin 500iu's HCG ED for 10 days
Then clomid 100/100/50/50
And Nolva 40/40/20/20

Current Stats are:
6 foot
185lbs @ about 12-15% bf

Thanks in advance!

 

[Half_Natty]

If the Tren is really a no go then I was thinking either Masteron or primo depot?

 

[BulldogMatt33]

Don't run 2 19-ers at the same time. If you go with test P, then u can start pct the day after, but I'd go with e or cyp. What AI are u going to run?
Also, do not go into cut after bulk, because you will have a hard landing. I would run test + npp or primo as 2 nd cycle

 

[Half_Natty]

Don't run 2 19-ers at the same time. If you go with test P, then u can start pct the day after, but I'd go with e or cyp. What AI are u going to run?
Also, do not go into cut after bulk, because you will have a hard landing. I would run test + npp or primo as 2 nd cycle

Hey man, thanks for the reply.

Can I run the 19-ers one after the other or is that what you mean?
I'm only using prop so I can keep my blood levels as stable as possible. If im pinning the NPP EOD or ED I may as well run prop so I dont have to wait around for it to kick in. (Plus I've already bought enough Prop and NPP)
I'll be running Anastrozole as my AI. 05mg EOD
Why can't I bulk then go into a cut? Not being arguementitive just in-expeirienced

Thanks again!

 

[BulldogMatt33]

Hello mate. Yes, that is what I meant. Deca is harsh, though not as bad as tren, but both will shut you down and can feck up your balance pretty good. If you bulk and go to a cut, then you need to switch a good 1000kcal food intake within a short period of time, which would trigger leptin shut down and cortisol release even off cycle. As you get to the end of an AAS cycle you slow down your progress and would need some slow, phased cool down period to keep the gains anyway. So if you want to recomp then go on a 10-20% calorie deficit and start the test-tren combo, or eat at maintenance level instead of bulk. The gains would be suboptimal but you would lose a bit of fat AND gain some muscle at the same time and it is easier to manage. Hope this helps bro

 

[Half_Natty]

Ok cool thanks for the advice man. I'll do it in two separate cycles then.
Slow and steady wins the race!

 

[BulldogMatt33]

Good luck buddy , keep us posted!