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Saw Bill Phillips in Hong Kong

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waldo

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Ok maybe you guys won't be too interested on this but I saw Bill Phillip last night in a Chinese Restaurant with 2 other guys, one of them really skinny and the other pretty fat out of shape guy. I dont know if anyone on this board has seen him in person but he is not that big, maybe 200 - 205 lbs. He looks much more bigger in magazines pics. Well he was downing a couple of beers and having nice fatty spicy chinese food.:p :p

I have seen local Chinese guys bigger than him.
 
He's not known for his size really...know for his "health" promoting...whatever that is. I heard he's a real asshole too
 
the mechanic said:
Personally I think he is a homo...a big sell out....and a wanna be.
But I also am on lots of test and tren.
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The Tren has nothing to do with it brother. You are 100% right imo. He is as sellout as they come if you ask me!!!
 
hahahahahah

"health promoter." yeah, right. The owner of the gym I work at said he attended a dinner party/seminar that he was at. Said he was so drunk and coked up that he made a fool of himself.
 
I agree there IS nothing wrong with making $$$... whatever floats his boat man... :)
 
I don't fault anyone for making money, the reason that Bill Phillips sucks is because he's a lying cocksucker, who misleads a lot of assholes who don't know his background. Also those who don't know their asshole from a turnip.:)
 
I think he is a VERY smart man for what he did. The author of "anabolic review" ....15 years later he wrote "body for life" which is all about the natural fitness life style. I bet if his background was more exposed, people wouldn't buy his products. Even thought I think it was a clever career dissision, I have to agree that he did sell out in a way.
 
i kinda agree with the selling out part but look at him and look at the amount of people who have changed their lives with his program, and look at the number of dollars he has accumulated
 
i have to say, if i was in the position where i could just plain sell out and become rich, even though everyone will think im an ass, hell id do it. and i bet 99% of you guys would too. geez, slap my face on a box of tampons i dont give a shit as long as they pay me good.
 
Bill's a good guy, everybody's so quick to knock him because he is A SMART BUSINESS MAN!

If you're in the bodybuilding business, you have 2 choices.

a) Cater to the market of hardcore, drug using bodybuilders. Maybe a 2million dollar a month market.

~or~

b) Cater to the market of 25-45 beginner bodybuilders, guys who are new to the market and open to trying new products.


If you said "a", you're a shitty business man.

If you said "b", you're a smart man and will look forward to giving away $250k Diablo's in a contest to promote your company, just for the hell of it.


I don't think Bill could give a rats ass what anybody thinks of him. I wouldn't, not with my 3 Ferrari's and 2 $100k Benz's in the garage and a 4 million dollar house in Colorado.

(for those who don't know, a $4 mill house in CO would be like a $16 mill house out here in Cali)
 
Well I agree that Bill is one hell of a business man. I think I should start a distribution for Hong Kong market for EAS since supplements are so damn expensive here. I could make alot for a side business.
 
actually your wrong pusher. bill made his debut my catering to the steriod heads, buy selling them the truth. the early (quarterly issues) of MM were all geared to drug use and how the industry was a joke. I find it very amusing of how mr weider was the pun of his jokes, simply to follow in the mans footsteps and sell out. Is he a good business man?? Hell yes. Did he sell out to the people who actually got him started ?? hell yes he did. But on the other hand take this board for instance, you have enough dipshits to fill a small country. Everyone is out doing one another, 1 little, 2 little, 3 littile grams of test. Give me a break I dont see top bodybuilders today as some genetic freaks, more the contrary like ones who are willing to go to the extremes with there health, chemical daredevils. Im sure it got old hearing about another dumb shit hurting himself. Even on this board people dying, kids not even working out looking for a quick fix, and the abuse goes on. Im not a advocate of AS use, but when it turns into a clown side show u have to draw the line, and im sure these are the main factors in this guys decison to turn his approach towards health. THe guy definatly sold out to me, but of course I was always interested in how the facts were laid out, the biochemistry of the body and for awhile there the only place to get the truth.
 
actually your wrong pusher. bill made his debut my catering to the steriod heads, buy selling them the truth. the early (quarterly issues) of MM were all geared to drug use and how the industry was a joke. I find it very amusing of how mr weider was the pun of his jokes, simply to follow in the mans footsteps and sell out. Is he a good business man?? Hell yes. Did he sell out to the people who actually got him started ?? hell yes he did. But on the other hand take this board for instance, you have enough dipshits to fill a small country. Everyone is out doing one another, 1 little, 2 little, 3 littile grams of test. Give me a break I dont see top bodybuilders today as some genetic freaks, more the contrary like ones who are willing to go to the extremes with there health, chemical daredevils. Im sure it got old hearing about another dumb shit hurting himself. Even on this board people dying, kids not even working out looking for a quick fix, and the abuse goes on. Im not a advocate of AS use, but when it turns into a clown side show u have to draw the line, and im sure these are the main factors in this guys decison to turn his approach towards health. THe guy definatly sold out to me, but of course I was always interested in how the facts were laid out, the biochemistry of the body and for awhile there the only place to get the truth.
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I hear you and I do agree.
 
You can make money and not "SELL OUT" at the same time. Bill Phillips is a F**kn sell out plain and simple.......Keep eating chinese feed food you chubby f**K!.......I bet you he would love to do just one more FINA/PROP cycle!....But if the media found out.....Bye Bye endorsments and political correctness...
 
liftsiron said:
I don't fault anyone for making money, the reason that Bill Phillips sucks is because he's a lying cocksucker, who misleads a lot of assholes who don't know his background. Also those who don't know their asshole from a turnip.:)
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Exactly, and that is why those of us who are negitive towards him actually know his background.
If you are looking at this only in a business sense, then yes, he has made a fortune in an industry that is tough to do so. But IMO, his fortune came by way of deceiving many into believing a "perfect" body is attainable with his over priced products, by the lure of winning a sports car..........much like hanging a carrot in front of a horse.
 
Who are any of you to say Bill sold YOU out?

Many of you were still getting training tips from Kiana's Flex Appeal when Bill was struggling with a newsletter he used his own money to put out.

Bill also made A LOT of money selling steroids, then growth hormone, then fake growth hormone.

Would you rather he not "sell out" and keep selling drugs?

Who the fuck are you guys to critisize anything he does?

Without Bill, how many of you would have ever heard of Dan Duchaine? Dan was in business for years before he started writing for MM2K, but unless you lived in Venice Beach you'd have no idea who he was.

Who brought creatine to the market?

Who are any of you to say he sold out? Business is business, if you can sell 20 million copies of a newsletter to the "mainstream" market, who in their right mind would bother selling a fraction of that to the "hardcore" market?

Here's a newsflash, almost everybody in the supplement/magazine business got the money they needed to start up shop.....by....you guessed it.....SELLING DRUGS!

So guess what? By your standards, EVERYBODY'S A SELL OUT!!!
 
BTW, before you go calling him a sellout...

Check out the '98 ownership of......

MUSCLETECH
- Bill Phillips 15%
- Will Brink 5%
- Bob Kennedy 50%
- Dr. Pasquale 20%
- Zulak 10%

Will Brink also took 2% from SportPharma and Next Nutrition.

Bill Phillips also took 20% from Osmo, and 25% from Genapharm.


Watch who you call "sell outs" when you only know half the story.
 
Mr_Pusher said:
BTW, before you go calling him a sellout...

Check out the '98 ownership of......

MUSCLETECH
- Bill Phillips 15%
- Will Brink 5%
- Bob Kennedy 50%
- Dr. Pasquale 20%
- Zulak 10%

Will Brink also took 2% from SportPharma and Next Nutrition.

Bill Phillips also took 20% from Osmo, and 25% from Genapharm.


Watch who you call "sell outs" when you only know half the story.
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:FRlol: don't mean to laugh bro but were do you dig up this shit?
 
DJtictac said:
i have to say, if i was in the position where i could just plain sell out and become rich, even though everyone will think im an ass, hell id do it. and i bet 99% of you guys would too. geez, slap my face on a box of tampons i dont give a shit as long as they pay me good.
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Not me. It is not in my nature to mislead people and outright lie to them so that I can make a buck. I hate people like that.
 
pusher your obviously a pussy with bill phillips pic on your wall with him in his lace up workout pants. Bill didnt bring creatine to the market, if u have followed MM from the beginning , he descovered EAS and there product creatine and just bought them out. I believe the biochemist was anthony almada who came up with it. And if u just clicked in when he started the car and prize money, im sorry to say he was already selling out then. Maybe u should do your homework before you fart on this board. And to put it simple you were wrong, by saying "he only took the side of the health/ fitness camp to make money". You were probably at home stroking your 2 inch pud looking at the diablo and hitting creatine and hmb on your bowflex. Hate to inform you but he already sold out at this time. The man was good for discovering credituels in the arena of steriods and biochemistry and that is how he made his money. To put it simple if you go back to the quarterly mags, ths is where he grabbed his leap to stardom and his portehole to fame, bringing truth to a community that had been lied to by the weider camp. The guy who is so health conscious if i can remeber right, use to say that nicotine was one of the best diet drugs, and that dmso wasnt just for animals. Obviously you came in kinda late in the ball game , maybe like the 7th inning. And too all of you that think money and power cant be just as strong of addiction as muslce and strength your wrong. To each his own, maybe when you achieve one you will want the other until there isnt much to achieve. my .03 cents
 
rottweiler75 said:
pusher your obviously a pussy with bill phillips pic on your wall with him in his lace up workout pants. Bill didnt bring creatine to the market, if u have followed MM from the beginning , he descovered EAS and there product creatine and just bought them out. I believe the biochemist was anthony almada who came up with it. And if u just clicked in when he started the car and prize money, im sorry to say he was already selling out then. Maybe u should do your homework before you fart on this board. And to put it simple you were wrong, by saying "he only took the side of the health/ fitness camp to make money". You were probably at home stroking your 2 inch pud looking at the diablo and hitting creatine and hmb on your bowflex. Hate to inform you but he already sold out at this time. The man was good for discovering credituels in the arena of steriods and biochemistry and that is how he made his money. To put it simple if you go back to the quarterly mags, ths is where he grabbed his leap to stardom and his portehole to fame, bringing truth to a community that had been lied to by the weider camp. The guy who is so health conscious if i can remeber right, use to say that nicotine was one of the best diet drugs, and that dmso wasnt just for animals. Obviously you came in kinda late in the ball game , maybe like the 7th inning. And too all of you that think money and power cant be just as strong of addiction as muslce and strength your wrong. To each his own, maybe when you achieve one you will want the other until there isnt much to achieve. my .03 cents
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Yeah, brother. I've got a poster of Bill on my wall. :rolleyes:

What makes you think for a second that I "clicked into the game in the 7th inning"?, at the time he gave away his Diablo and price money? I really could give a rats ass what he does, but I'm suprised at how many of you are so eager to player-hate on the man because he wanted to make a buck -- especially when every other mag editor and supplement company CEO has done the exact same thing.

I've been "in this game" since before 95% of the 17yr olds here even knew what the internet was. I've been around since all that was available was fucking fitness.weights Usenet/Dejanews news groups. 95% of these kids here have never even seen a Cold Fusion message board.

Come to think of it, most the wife-beater-baggy-Addias-pants-wearing kids on this board "gett'n swole" off 200mg Deca & 20mg Pink's, would never have known about buying steroids on the net if it weren't for MM2K.

Everybody can just sit back with their bag of Doritos, a warm can of Pepsi, and run their mouth on the internet. Talking about how "swole" they are and how they'll have a pro card in 3 years or less. Everybody can talk about how they'll never "sell out", when there's nothing they can sell out for....they don't drop $5k on a printing press and $4k for distribution for 4 issues a year. No, all they can do, and ever will do, is run their mouths on the internet saying how much better they are than everybody else, how smart they are, and how their daddy can beat up your daddy.

My problem isn't with people dogging Bill Phillips, my problem was with people dogging somebody over business decisions. Decisions they will never be faced with in their life. Never will these arm-chair-quarterbacks ever have to debate whether or not to make 12-million dollars a year, or to make 120-million dollars a year. No, their biggest "business" decision will be to finance a 15 yr mortgage, or a 30 yr mortgage.
 
Mr_Pusher said:



Yeah, brother. I've got a poster of Bill on my wall. :rolleyes:

What makes you think for a second that I "clicked into the game in the 7th inning"?, at the time he gave away his Diablo and price money? I really could give a rats ass what he does, but I'm suprised at how many of you are so eager to player-hate on the man because he wanted to make a buck -- especially when every other mag editor and supplement company CEO has done the exact same thing.

I've been "in this game" since before 95% of the 17yr olds here even knew what the internet was. I've been around since all that was available was fucking fitness.weights Usenet/Dejanews news groups. 95% of these kids here have never even seen a Cold Fusion message board.

Come to think of it, most the wife-beater-baggy-Addias-pants-wearing kids on this board "gett'n swole" off 200mg Deca & 20mg Pink's, would never have known about buying steroids on the net if it weren't for MM2K.

Everybody can just sit back with their bag of Doritos, a warm can of Pepsi, and run their mouth on the internet. Talking about how "swole" they are and how they'll have a pro card in 3 years or less. Everybody can talk about how they'll never "sell out", when there's nothing they can sell out for....they don't drop $5k on a printing press and $4k for distribution for 4 issues a year. No, all they can do, and ever will do, is run their mouths on the internet saying how much better they are than everybody else, how smart they are, and how their daddy can beat up your daddy.

My problem isn't with people dogging Bill Phillips, my problem was with people dogging somebody over business decisions. Decisions they will never be faced with in their life. Never will these arm-chair-quarterbacks ever have to debate whether or not to make 12-million dollars a year, or to make 120-million dollars a year. No, their biggest "business" decision will be to finance a 15 yr mortgage, or a 30 yr mortgage.
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you seem like you know your shit bro. alot of people here may not like you but who really gives a fuck. i like the way you say shit that's on your mind. what line of buisness are you in? you seem like you know alot about the supp business and the people who run them. im just interested in how you know so much about titus and phillips etc.
 
when ever the other guy makes a buck, the other people call him shit. let's face it, you all want his money and his lifestyle.

i don't see why so many of you people are shitting on bill phillips. like it or not, he has done SOME GOOD for a lot of people. for instance, there are a few people in my office that got his 'body for life' book. yeah, i snickered, but i figured what the hell, if it works then do it. well, it worked for them and they're in a lot better shape now then they've ever been in their life. and no, they don't buy his eas products. they don't buy anyone's bs products. they just learned how to exercise and eat correctly based on his book. how can you shit on a person for doing that?

if anyone of you who has ever led a perfect life for which NO ONE can say, 'yeah s/he was a real asshole for doing.....', then let's hear it. stand up to the plate. if you do, you're a liar. i'm sure there's someone out there in the world calling you a piece of shit.
 
I'm a personal trainer for now, and have a lot of friends/associate's in the bodybuilding and supplement industry. You need to read between the lines and listen to everybody's side of the story before you "pick sides" or jump on the bandwagon, a lot of the internet kids don't do that... the just jump on the team that they think is "going to win". I've run a few business, and in business, you can't be afraid to change directions and give the market what they demand.

You don't see 260lb contest-condition bodybuilders in mag's like Muscle Media or Mens Health mens health because that's not their market. It's very hard to cater toward the hardcore, drug-savy market, since very few of them are willing to shell out $6 to read the same drug profiles, diet tricks, and 2-4 month old gossip -- not when they can get up to the minute news online through newsgroups and mediums such as this.

Dan Duchaine built his business and rep through word of mouth. He didn't have message boards to advertise on, he never had "Mod-approval". If you wanted a list, you had to mail him a letter requesting one, and he'd mail it back to you. Did he "sell out" because he dropped the snail mail and started getting into email/fax orders? Hell no.

At least Bill, Dan, Brock Strasser, Labrada, Pat Arnold, ect...have actull bodybuilding experience. You'd be overwelmed to see how many supplement company CEO's have never touched a weight in their life! At least these guy's know what it's like to be a bodybuilder, trying to diet and train for shows while working part time at the doughnut shop. Bill offered people contracts, no name guys like Danny Hester and Roger Applewhite, he put money in these guy's pockets because they helped him make money. You know how many companies will just scoff at the idea of paying[/] a bodybuilder to use his picture in their ads? You'd be very, very, very suprised to know how many of the common faces you see in FLEX, Planet Muscle, Ironman, ect... are getting nothing more than free protein power for the use of their image.
 
If the man helped some people change their lives, then all the more power to him. Like its said before, I think some people are just jealous of the mans success.
 
I tell it like it is. I don't name-drop to try to gain respect. I don't ass-kiss to gain friends. My concern isn't with the 90 people who don't like me, and it's not the 10 people who do like me. My concern is getting people to think about both sides of the coin.
 
If I wanted demographics I would have gone to kinkos!!! There isnt any question the guy is one hell of a business man, the argument started if he sold out. Obviously you answered that by saying "if I was Bill I wouldnt care what anyone thought". Basically they guy wouldnt be giving away a diablo in a nationally known magazine if it wasnt for the hard core community that got him to that status. To be honest do u think anyone would of listened to the guy, or bought his magazine if it was whats it is now. He wouldnt be no different the the other 8 mags out there. Basically he needed a stepping stone, hence a good businessman who sold out. And I wouldnt be so hard on the guy if he didnt paint a picture of himself in the quarterly mags of the early 90"s as being anti weider and what he stands for. You may think this is good business, you might have your 4 ferraris, your mansion in colorado, but to me your nothing more than a kirby vacuum salesman with money. In my opionon that is what is wrong with the world today, to many dipshits who step on anyone to be number one.
 
It's something called a "business plan", head down to your local community college and pay $11 for a class called "Introduction to Business" or "Business Marketing". You'll learn a few things.

The world if full of whiners and winners.

The whiners whine about how shitty the world is, and about how their toes are getting stepped on.

The winners worry about how they'll pay their bills, and step on as many toes as they need to.
 
He is a good businessman, but he is slimy. I watched "Body of Work" recently, the film about the first 10 winners of the Body for Life program. I remember a line Bill Phillips and everyone else repeated at least 10 times during the film that you needed bodybuilding AND supplementation(EAS ofcourse) to make any progress. Like without the supplements, you won't make the "transformation."

I am sorry, but I have used every legal "take my dough" supplement in the book that swear results and are completely useless. My first cycle was pretty cheap compared to all that crap!

Bill Phillips has inserted his dick into every EAS product buyers arse! I do like the articles in MM however.
 
Concerning the products and the "Body for Life Challenge".

-- I've known almost a dozen people over the years who've literally, pardon the cheesy line, "transformed" their physiques, or lack thereof, duing the 12 week "Challenge". They got results from hard work and dedication, and not even a quarter of them actually used EAS products. They did it for themselves, they didn't save the EAS labels to send them in for reinbursement. They didn't give a shit about the "contest", or who won. What mattered is what they saw in the mirror.
 
Mr_Pusher said:
Concerning the products and the "Body for Life Challenge".

-- I've known almost a dozen people over the years who've literally, pardon the cheesy line, "transformed" their physiques, or lack thereof, duing the 12 week "Challenge". They got results from hard work and dedication, and not even a quarter of them actually used EAS products. They did it for themselves, they didn't save the EAS labels to send them in for reinbursement. They didn't give a shit about the "contest", or who won. What mattered is what they saw in the mirror.
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Good point... that makes a lot of sense...
 
It doesnt take much of a man to be egotisticle, and to try to reach number one in a materialistic world. Sorry to tell you but not everyone needs to concieve to find fulfillment in life. I can definatly see what side you take and how you percieve the world. Save your high school football coach pep talks to people who admire the idealistic world of "money brings happiness", and I will work my 40 hours a week helping people feel better about themselves. It is as ironic as saying "everyone on this board wants to be a pro bodybuilder". Go down to your community college and for $11 try the class "religon for the taxman". You might learn a few things like greed is the poor mans gold.
 
Greed......hmmmm......

It's not greed that keeps non-competeting, drug-taking, health-risking, hardcore, train-on-christmass-day, bodybuilders training to the Nnnnth-degree.

It's perfectionalism.....if that's even a word.

Why make $100,000 a day, when you can make $400,000 a day?

Show me 100 self-made millionares, and I'd show you 99 perfectionist's. You said it, greed is the poor mans gold. The greediest men you ever meet are also the poorest men you'll ever meet. It's not greed that seperates you from Bill Phillips, it's goals.

Is your goal to be a millionare? Is your goal to change peoples lives and bodies? Is your goal to put out the best magazine on the market?.....Or, is your goal to put food on your family's table, take your family to movies and nice reastruants...is your goal for you and your wife to drive nice cars, and for your kids to wear nice clothes?

Everybody doesn't have the same goals. Some peoples vission of success is to live in a 3 bedroom house and drive a pre-owned Lexus, and have a stay-at-home wife to take care of the children. Others, view success as having a 6 bedroom house with a pool, and buying your first bright red Diablo to take out on the weekends while you drive your AMG SL55 to the office everyday.
 
Mr. Pusher I do believe that you have missed the entire point of this thread "did Bill Phillips sell out" the answer is yes. You seem to be on a philosphical marry-go-round as far as Bill Phillips is concerned. This leads me to believe that you don't have squat, and envy Bill for his money and toys regardless of the ruse that he used to attain his wealth. No one argues the point that Bill is one hell of an business man who has made a fortune. It seems even though that you have unlimited knowledge, as far as your idol is concerned, you forget how he started out and to whom he owes his first million dollars to. It sure wasn't main stream Amercia. I just paged through the Augest 1996 MM2K it was the issue in which it was anounced that Bill Phillips just bought EAS. At least half of the mag was about steroids, clen, and even an article about DNP. Even a moron can see the total switch a roo
B.P. where MM2K is concerned. :elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

p.s. By the way where did you ever come up with you stats regarding ownership of muscletech? Is this also something that you just happened to pull out of your ass?
 
Ok tony robins you win. You go to the gym with your bill phillips lace up panties, maybe die your hair blonde, and get all psyched up listening to your eminem cd, while your wait for someone to get of the tony little gazelle freestyle. Your obviously are lost in your own thoughts and cant understand the point, and personally I think your attitude is what is wrong with america these days. You obviously have some childhood trama of being the poor kid, if your so quick to judge a man by his checkbook and not his character. I am glad u realized you have no goals, but for some of us, it doesnt take sitting head of the class at jr college nite class to figure out how we can become successful in are own arena. Thanks for flipping back through your cliff notes though.
 
Final point is:

Nobody here knows Bill any better than I do, and to judge a man's character without knowing him is pathetic and petty.

....and sorry to burst your bubble, but I grew up in a nice suburban neighborhood, I've never been poor, and I wouldn't consider myself rich. I was never spoiled, but I never expected anything to be given to me. I started working when I was 12 years old. I worked hard to obtain what I have, and I've achieved many goals. No, I don't drive a Ferrari, but I'm not bitter towards those who do.....which is more than I can say about many of you, considering your "fuck Bill, he owe's his millions to me" attitudes.
 
Were In any of my post does it say I want money??? It is actually something you seem to be after bro!! basically my arguement is he sold out, and basically you cant deny that point. Dont worry pusher you can always win the diablo next year!!!
 
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