Sarms Nutrient Partitioning

[Furinkazan]

Hi guys,

After a lot of helpful advice off Dylan etc, I am running a sarms triple stack, and eating 1000 cals below maintenance to cut, as I was about 23% BF.

However, I am not getting the cutting effects I ideally want. I think my calories are still too high because I am getting awesome recomp effects (which obviously I am extremely pleased with, but I would like to lose fat faster). My maintenance cals are approx 2600/2700 so I'm eating 1500 cals a day and hitting at least 210 grams of protein.

I wondered if this is due to the nutrient partitioning effects of GW? Should I drop my cals even more?

Some advice/help would be appreciated - I hope the above makes sense.

Thanks in advance,

Furin

 

[Furinkazan]

I should add I really want to cut down fat a lot with this cycle, then maybe a recomp cycle later, get down to a decent BF % then a good bulking cycle. (Just some thoughts anyway)

 

[stevesmi]

I would say you need to slow down here. you aren't going to build Rome overnight my friend. seems like you are getting great results so far and you need to stay the course. fast women, fast money are bad. so are fast results. you aren't going to go from 25% body fat to shredded overnight nor should you want to. this is going to take a lot of dedication

also GW nutrient partitioning? I think you are confused on that. GW isn't a hormone nor is it a SARM.

 

[25homes]

Bro takes time to lose lots of fat don't take cals too low body will try to protect itself

 

[Furinkazan]

I would say you need to slow down here. you aren't going to build Rome overnight my friend. seems like you are getting great results so far and you need to stay the course. fast women, fast money are bad. so are fast results. you aren't going to go from 25% body fat to shredded overnight nor should you want to. this is going to take a lot of dedication

also GW nutrient partitioning? I think you are confused on that. GW isn't a hormone nor is it a SARM.

Yes I guess u r right Steve I was thinking just after I posted, well hey, I've only had 4 weeks! I'm being a greedy bastard.

GW: it's just that I read a post somewhere about GW having good nutrient partitioning effects and thought that may be why I am recomping rather than cutting.

I must say tho, sarms are amazing. Strength going thru the roof and that's on a 1000cal defecit!

I will just slow the fuck down

 

[Zyglamail]

cutting 1000 cals below maint is too much. Try 500 and be patient. Try high intensity cardio for the EPOC effect, steady state cardio is a waste of time. Use heavy compound movements for strength work to add muscl, muscle burns cals 24 hours a day, the more ya have the more cals ya burn just sitting still.

 

[Furinkazan]

cutting 1000 cals below maint is too much. Try 500 and be patient. Try high intensity cardio for the EPOC effect, steady state cardio is a waste of time. Use heavy compound movements for strength work to add muscl, muscle burns cals 24 hours a day, the more ya have the more cals ya burn just sitting still.

Not trying to argue here (I know I'm still really just learning about this) but if I am recomping well on 1000cal defecit why change it? Just thinking out loud

 

[gymrat827]

Not trying to argue here (I know I'm still really just learning about this) but if I am recomping well on 1000cal defecit why change it? Just thinking out loud

cuz sooner or later your going to hit a wall.....your not taking in enough cals. dial back to a 750 def and see how that goes.


Fat burning is a slow, steady, continuous process.

 

[Furinkazan]

cuz sooner or later your going to hit a wall.....your not taking in enough cals. dial back to a 750 def and see how that goes.


Fat burning is a slow, steady, continuous process.

Ok I will do that, thanks guys I appreciate the help a lot

That actually brings me to something else I was thinking of, how should I approach my cals during pct? Should they be upped?

 

[ibleedoranbla]

cutting 1000 cals below maint is too much. Try 500 and be patient. Try high intensity cardio for the EPOC effect, steady state cardio is a waste of time. Use heavy compound movements for strength work to add muscl, muscle burns cals 24 hours a day, the more ya have the more cals ya burn just sitting still.

This

 

[Furinkazan]

Ok I will do that, thanks guys I appreciate the help a lot

That actually brings me to something else I was thinking of, how should I approach my cals during pct? Should they be upped?

Anyone got any ideas on this?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

GW gets confused as a product with nutrient partitioning because of its anti-catabolic properties as it does not allow glycolisis (splitting of glycogen to create glucose) nor does it allow gluconeogenesis (creation of glycogen from amino acids, i.e. Using muscle as energy). Instead it allows lipolysis which is the breakdown of fat as an energy so you could technically put yourself in a caloric deficit while running GW to recomposition. Ostarine and S-4 both have nutrient allocation affinities and when at a caloric deficit this allows an anabolic state while burning fat. High var and especially tren have the same tendencies. When osta was introduced there was some speculation that it's caloric deficit muscle protection was superior to that of Anavar. However, I've never come across studies indicating either.

 

[Jbranken]

Ok I will do that, thanks guys I appreciate the help a lot

That actually brings me to something else I was thinking of, how should I approach my cals during pct? Should they be upped?

1) zyg is right, your cals are too low and you may go Into starvation mode. 1500 cals is simply not enough. The body says "not getting enough food. Hmm, better hold some fat"

2) GW isn't that great of a partitioner though it is anti catabolic. That's most likely ostarine and s4 that's adding muscle to your frame. You may be losing more weight than you think, but muscle is being added as well which is throwing you off

3) like Steve said, give this time. When you have that much excess fat covering the midsection, it's hard to tell when Things are happening. The abs will start showing through eventually and progress will be much easier to track as they become more and more visible

As for pct, I'd eat at maintenance or maybe slightly below if you'd like. This will help prevent muscle loss

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

1500 calories would be a minimum BMR for many people. At that point you'd be maintaining just by laying in bed all day.

 

[Furinkazan]

thats great info thank you
any advice on what cals to aim for in my pct? i have now changed my calorific deficit from a 1000+ one to a 700 cal deficit


i really appreciate all the help thanks a lot

 

[Furinkazan]

i.e. my aim was 1500 now it is 2100 which is a 700 cal deficit
should I go a little higher? maybe to 2300? to make a 500 cal deficit

 

[stevesmi]

great advice and also I will add not everyone has the same results.. we all are different. a lot of those questions you have are not black and white answers because as you use these compounds you will learn how YOU react to them.

you are really really excited about this and its great that you are motivated but you need to stay consistent.. too many guys quit in this game or don't commit to it and they blame their marriage, or work, or their wife, or their kids, blah blah blah. either you are in or you are out.. there isn't an in between

 

[Furinkazan]

great advice and also I will add not everyone has the same results.. we all are different. a lot of those questions you have are not black and white answers because as you use these compounds you will learn how YOU react to them.

you are really really excited about this and its great that you are motivated but you need to stay consistent.. too many guys quit in this game or don't commit to it and they blame their marriage, or work, or their wife, or their kids, blah blah blah. either you are in or you are out.. there isn't an in between

Ok thank you all very much for your time

I'm defo in this game Steve!

Just one last question not sure if anyone saw it in my previous posts.

I don't want to lose muscle or gain fat in pct obviously, would I aim for maintenance cals during the pct period?

 

[stevesmi]

Ok thank you all very much for your time

I'm defo in this game Steve!

Just one last question not sure if anyone saw it in my previous posts.

I don't want to lose muscle or gain fat in pct obviously, would I aim for maintenance cals during the pct period?

depends on your pct. again no black and white answers.

generally you can expect to give back SOME of your improvements in a pct. you gotta expect that.. hell even guys that blast and cruise will lose some strength during their cruise because they go from running 3X hormones to a TRT dose.

just to let you know you can run these compounds in pct like GW and some SARM's. those will help you with your goals.

i'm not trying to be flakey with my answer but I have never once ran a cycle and pct and had the exact same results.. its all gonna change and be different, that's why I said this is a marathon, not a sprint.

 

[Furinkazan]

Ok thanks a lot

I love this forum

 

[hurricane]

Ok thanks a lot

I love this forum

best shot at keeping gains in pct is to use both osta and gw in pct.There are many logs here to back this up.