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S4 - Not Impressed

Mike177

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Hello All,
I am starting my 4th week of s4. I have used Ostarine in the past but this is my first run with S4. For the first week I started at 50mg (25 2x a day), then moved to 75mg a day until I finished the first bottle (50mg/mL, 30mL total). I ordered two more bottles and bumped the dose up to 100mg a day. I have been at 100mg a day for 3 or 4 days now, dosing 4 times a day ( 25mg upon waking, pre workout, post workout, and late night)

My goal is to cut fat. I have been dieting properly and doing cardio and I have lost weight as a result, however I have lost some strength as well. I have had a good libido, and good vascularity, but nothing to write home about and nothing too much better then normal. No muscle hardness or anything like that, and certainly no strength gains. I can't help but feel that my current results mirror what I have accomplished naturally in the past.

Now I know it's a SARM and not AAS, but I was expecting a little bit more.

As far as vision side effects I'm experiencing very little sides even at 100mg/day. Sometimes it takes a few extra seconds to adjust from light to dark, but I literally mean seconds. I am watching out for visual disturbances but have not noticed anything significant that I can directly attribute to the S4.

I have enough S4 to continue it at 100mg/day for around 25-26 more days (30 days total at 100mg). I have been eating 2300-2500 calories a day, I drink BCAA's while doing cardio, and lift very frequently. Recently I have cut back on cardio because I am worried about strength loss and drink BCAA's while lifting as well.

So any suggestions? Should I continue at 100mg/day and just see where it gets me or should I consider increasing the dose? My understanding was that over 100mg/day is not super productive, but the effects, and side effects, at 100mg a day are currently underwhelming. If ostarine didn't aggravate my gyno I would add it in the blink of an eye (I tried even at 5mg/day, it aggravates it still).

I feel that the S4 is doing something, but not much. Also the lack of vision sides causes me to question if this is an individual thing, as I know some people don't get bad vision sides, or if there is an issue with the quality of the S4. My experience with the vendor has always been good, but I know this is a new batch.

Thanks!
 
If 100 isn't working for you. I'd just bail on it. 100 can bring about nasty sides. It may not be for you. Why not do a mild, safe steroids cycle with less sides? 200 mgs of test and 400 mgs of Primo for 6 weeks can do wonders with virtually no sides at all.
 
i am quite certain you have a bad batch of s4 and i would write whichever company you bought it from and let the know... for you to not have any vision sides at that high of dose and to not have great muscle hardness can definitely signify a bad product...
 
If 100 isn't working for you. I'd just bail on it. 100 can bring about nasty sides. It may not be for you. Why not do a mild, safe steroids cycle with less sides? 200 mgs of test and 400 mgs of Primo for 6 weeks can do wonders with virtually no sides at all.

The biggest reason why I am trying to lay off AAS is due to the bad acne I get post cycle. I have fine tuned my PCT to include Accutane, this keeps it at bay but I really try to keep my accutane use to the bare minimum, not terrible at very low doses, but something to be avoided if possible.

I have heard that Primo is "only good" in long cycles. Can significant benefits be obtained from it in 6 weeks? I have Test Cyp, Enth, Prop, Var, Tbol, Epi, and H-drol on hand and hair loss is a major concern for me.
 
i am quite certain you have a bad batch of s4 and i would write whichever company you bought it from and let the know... for you to not have any vision sides at that high of dose and to not have great muscle hardness can definitely signify a bad product...

Hey there Dylangemelli,
I will let them know, I got it from the board sponsor Uniquemicals. I have had good experiences with their ostarine, but I got the S4 right when it was back in stock after they were out of it for awhile so there could be issues with the batch.

At 100mg I have noticed some minimal visual sides, but nothing anywhere near as bad as the things I have read about it. It's so minor I have to ask myself if it's placebo.
 
Hey there Dylangemelli,
I will let them know, I got it from the board sponsor Uniquemicals. I have had good experiences with their ostarine, but I got the S4 right when it was back in stock after they were out of it for awhile so there could be issues with the batch.

At 100mg I have noticed some minimal visual sides, but nothing anywhere near as bad as the things I have read about it. It's so minor I have to ask myself if it's placebo.

write them and let them know bro... they are good about taking care of everyone... there is definitely something wrong with it...
 
Do you think it would be a good idea to run it at say 150mg or 200mg for a short period to see if the visual sides become apparent? I'm thinking that's a bad way to test for the purity of a batch, but I really want to know if it's just me or the product. I would like to know if I should give up on S4 all together, or just get a better product. I am a bit disappointed, as I was looking forward to feeling this "winny/var like hardness" that I read reports of when used at high doses.
 
write them and let them know bro... they are good about taking care of everyone... there is definitely something wrong with it...

I already wrote them about it. I have never heard anything bad about unique and I hear their customer service is top notch. Will report back.
 
It just goes to show that everyone responds to things differently, and you may not be a great responder to S4. I would advise against increasing the dosage past 100mg. If you aren't getting much from that, then more isn't going to be any better.
 
It just goes to show that everyone responds to things differently, and you may not be a great responder to S4. I would advise against increasing the dosage past 100mg. If you aren't getting much from that, then more isn't going to be any better.

That was kind of my gut feeling about it. I'm going to continue at 100mg/day in 4 doses. My biggest concern right now is suppression with no gains.
 
Hopefully Dylan is right about It being a bad batch and hopefully Rick is wrong that you're a non responder. S4 is a wonderful chem if you can power through vision sides..
 
The biggest reason why I am trying to lay off AAS is due to the bad acne I get post cycle. I have fine tuned my PCT to include Accutane, this keeps it at bay but I really try to keep my accutane use to the bare minimum, not terrible at very low doses, but something to be avoided if possible.

I have heard that Primo is "only good" in long cycles. Can significant benefits be obtained from it in 6 weeks? I have Test Cyp, Enth, Prop, Var, Tbol, Epi, and H-drol on hand and hair loss is a major concern for me.

Complete message board myth.
 
I used uniquemicals s4 at 50 mg and had ridiculous vascularity and good gains. The visual side effects were extremely noticeable. Anything white was yellow and I could not see at all in dark spaces. You must have a weak batch

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Am I the only one who thinks that vision problems as a side effect is utterly fucked up?
 
I used uniquemicals s4 at 50 mg and had ridiculous vascularity and good gains. The visual side effects were extremely noticeable. Anything white was yellow and I could not see at all in dark spaces. You must have a weak batch

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When did you purchase your S4?
 
Am I the only one who thinks that vision problems as a side effect is utterly fucked up?

For those of us using it and getting check ups from the optometrist, nothing points to the vision sides causing or leading to permanent damage. I have terrible eye sight and they have actually slightly improved over the last two years. Not attributing that to s4, but its surely not making them worse. Others that have done multiple s4 runs have also reported good reviews from their check ups
 
Am I the only one who thinks that vision problems as a side effect is utterly fucked up?

100% agree bro. I am surprised folks are ok with this. Sure, the sides go away after use BUT we don't know what the long term sides COULD be and that is absolutely scary to me considering it is our eyes we are talking about here.

Considering there are multiple different AAS compounds that can do what s4 does (and so much more), ill stick with those.

I'd rather be on trt than blind


Just .02 bros, be safe
 
Do you think it would be a good idea to run it at say 150mg or 200mg for a short period to see if the visual sides become apparent? I'm thinking that's a bad way to test for the purity of a batch, but I really want to know if it's just me or the product. I would like to know if I should give up on S4 all together, or just get a better product. I am a bit disappointed, as I was looking forward to feeling this "winny/var like hardness" that I read reports of when used at high doses.

do not do that ! perhaps your body is taking awhile to adjust to the compound.Increasing dosage beyound recommmendation is not the answer.
 
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