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Your a piece of shit flat out, the flag was part of American History. Your too blind to realize that. Stop with your outrageous views. I guess that your views make you feel important. You are really a piece of work. Did your daddy rape you? Were your deprived of food?



If you don't like the country get the fuck out. Stop all your bitching. He thinks by his views he can feel better about being himself, yeah right. Stop with the views bitch, nobody wants to hear your shit.


Yeah, Im white. Im a "little white pussy" as tyson said. Would you ever post about that? Huh prick? would you?

FUCK NO!, Look at both ends of the spectrum before you open your dickhole.
 
Hey Golfer, I'm cool with you bro. I think this is way too much of a touchy subject to ever really get into. There are just too many things to consider. The war was fought because of slavery. The Flag represented the Confederate States. Those states were the ones that were fighting to keep slavery alive in this country. Yes the Flag is part of American History, but so was slavery but it wasn't morally right for American to bear with slavery. So my question is why keep a symbol of something we fought a war over to defeat?
 
The north wanted our raw materials, the only way they were produced was by the slaves. They bought the materials for cheap and sold them for high prices. The north dominated the Industry. They wanted materials but were against slavery, sounded like they were talking out both side of their mouth to me.
 
The war was not overy slavery, but states rights. The North wanted to abolish slavery, true, but with mechanization in agriculture beginning it would have ended anyway/ The north had the "luxury" of high morals because the north was industrialized, which eliminates he need for slaves, Every agrarian society before the industrial revolution had slavery of some kind.

The south was not yet industrialized, and faced a larger economic impact, in the short term, than the north.

Want to know what another big issue was??

Train tracks, now ask me why!

BTW I'm from New York!
 
needleboy said:
The war was not overy slavery, but states rights. The North wanted to abolish slavery, true, but with mechanization in agriculture beginning it would have ended anyway/ The north had the "luxury" of high morals because the north was industrialized, which eliminates he need for slaves, Every agrarian society before the industrial revolution had slavery of some kind.

The south was not yet industrialized, and faced a larger economic impact, in the short term, than the north.

Want to know what another big issue was??

Train tracks, now ask me why!

BTW I'm from New York!

Good post.





Ryan is too much of a fucking tool to respond.
 
needleboy said:
The war was not overy slavery, but states rights. The North wanted to abolish slavery, true, but with mechanization in agriculture beginning it would have ended anyway/ The north had the "luxury" of high morals because the north was industrialized, which eliminates he need for slaves, Every agrarian society before the industrial revolution had slavery of some kind.

The south was not yet industrialized, and faced a larger economic impact, in the short term, than the north.

Want to know what another big issue was??

Train tracks, now ask me why!

BTW I'm from New York!


my god, that sounded halfway intelligent.

why were train tracks involved? i don't know how continental trade would affect the slavery market, but i remember that 'moving slaves west' or something like that was a big issue.
 
a key issue, but one of many that fall under states rights. Again the south would have ended slavery inevitably within 25 years!

Now ask me about haw train tracks start a war.

PS History books are written after the fact by the winner of wars. Bettter to read writings of people involved before and during on both sides!!
 
nordstrom said:



my god, that sounded halfway intelligent.

why were train tracks involved? i don't know how continental trade would affect the slavery market, but i remember that 'moving slaves west' or something like that was a big issue.

Glad you asked. A large source of jobs in the south had to do with freight trains. Many states had different width tracks, making it necessary to load and unload cars at the state border, The federal gov't passed a law saying that all tracks had to be of a certain width. This would have cost the south many valuable jobs!
 
Doesn't matter where you are from. Where're not talking about that NY :P Just want you guys to agree that the flag does represent slavery to a certain extent. Sorry that I didn't list every single reason why the war started. RyanH was talking about slavery and the flag, so that's all I spoke about. Both sides have points. I see how people would say, it's just a flag, but to others it's not. it reminds them of how their family members were used as tools. One definitely out-weighs the other. Ok I'm gonna dead this now, because I don't want any bad blood with you guys, like I said before you're a cool bro Golfer and this is the type of shit that stirs up probs PEACE.
 
Pure you are cool bro, i have a big problem with RyanH, the kind of problem that would get violent, real violent. Maybe i need some counseling.
 
Bro, every flag from a nation over 150 years old has flown over slavery. It was a big issue, but not as much as others!

So all flags must be Banned??
 
Sushi X said:
occording to ryan, anything that does'nt fit the liberal agenda should be banned.


Thats why he never responded about the tyson thing, or when vince carter made a racists comment to a white guy guarding him.
 
Golfer18 said:
Pure you are cool bro, i have a big problem with RyanH, the kind of problem that would get violent, real violent. Maybe i need some counseling.

dont let him get to ya, read his post, alot of times you will find contradictions and flat out false statements. and then drill him on them. and then he'll leave the thread.
 
I was reading an article in sports illustrated this month. It was talking about tyson calling a white male trying to break up his fight at the press conderence and he called the guys a "a little white pussy" nothing was said in the media, if a white guy did that to Tiger woods or shaq it would be all over the news.


I will get back you on the vince thing, i forgot all the details
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
Slavery was definitely a very key issue in the war. Not trying to be a smart ass, but it's in all the text books

How else are you going to explain a reasoning of a bloody war to a bunch of little kids. They have no knowledge of economic theories or principles...The civil war is in the books as being the result of slavery because
A. Most teachers are liberals and look to make it a race issue when ever they can.
B. It's easier to explain to people that a war which thousands of people were killed was caused by slavery rather than a bunch of people trying to make the almighty dollar.

We learned about the Civil was in 2nd grade. How would a 7 year old understand that economic influances was the reason behind the civil war...Just tell them it was to free the slaves, no explanation needed..

Kev
 
Golfer18 said:
I was reading an article in sports illustrated this month. It was talking about tyson calling a white male trying to break up his fight at the press conderence and he called the guys a "a little white pussy" nothing was said in the media, if a white guy did that to Tiger woods or shaq it would be all over the news.

glad someone else on this board get aggravated by the double standard.

I remember Iverson releasing a rap song that was derogatory towards gays and other races. Nothing happened to him.

John Rocker said something derogatory towards gays and other races. His life has been a living hell ever since.

I'm getting close to just accepting this double standard and bowing down to the black race and all their insults because there really is no stopping it.
 
Golfer, oh shit I am loving this. Smack him for James Brown. HIT ME! huh, TWO TIMES! huh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
The Flag represented the Confederate States. the Flag is part of American History, but so was slavery but it wasn't morally right for American to bear with slavery. So my question is why keep a symbol of something we fought a war over to defeat?
---------God Damn, a thread so good I had to post twice------
I don't think the Flag represents slavery pre se. It was the flag at the time and slavery wasn't the whole issue. It is just a sticking point of whitey getting sick and tired of the groids still whinin about shit they have only heard of. CHWAMMIES!!
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
Slavery was definitely a very key issue in the war. Not trying to be a smart ass, but it's in all the text books

and Cristopher Columbus was nice to the indians.. I read that in social studies when I was a kid too.
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
Slavery was definitely a very key issue in the war. Not trying to be a smart ass, but it's in all the text books

If the Nazis had won WWII the Holucaust would be written about in a different light as well.

Remember the winner gets to write the history books!!!
 
dballer said:


and Cristopher Columbus was nice to the indians.. I read that in social studies when I was a kid too.
Oh dballer, wasn't he a piece of shit? Incredible what that prick did. Glad he wasn't white...... or was he....?
 
Kahn said:

Oh dballer, wasn't he a piece of shit? Incredible what that prick did. Glad he wasn't white...... or was he....?

He sure was deemed GREAT in my textbooks... yet The Confederate Flag makes people racist....:(
 
C'mon Ryan stop being the bitch you are for a while and answer my question why you never post about the blacks making racists comments to the whites.
 
you know he has deemed this thread beneath him. Nobody has prepared an arguement for him on this yet. He's a pawn. Liberal cracker.
 
He can't argue the vince carter or tyson attack on whites, that is why he isnt here.
 
Actually, it was my understanding that Colombus' men were the ones who fucked the indians up. They did it while he was on his voyage back to spain.
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
How did he become a MOD anyway? I don't ever see any post on the Anabolic board. Is he here just to draw up drama?

yes.. he is.
 
Yeah George should get off his ass and fire him, sorry George but he blows.
 
Students sue over rebel flag actions
By LISE FISHER
Sun staff writer
Two students suspended from Santa Fe High School last year for displaying the Confederate battle flag have filed a federal lawsuit against the Alachua County School Board alleging a violation of their constitutional right of free speech.

Franklin Jay "J.J." Scott Jr. and Nicholas Thomas, both 17-year-old juniors, were suspended from the Alachua County school in the fall, the lawsuit states.

Scott had a small flag on his truck's antenna and was suspended for two days. A zoning exception allowing him to attend Santa Fe also was revoked, the lawsuit said. Thomas wore a T-shirt titled "Legends in Gray" showing Confederate soldiers marching through a field carrying the flag. He wore the shirt twice and received two one-day in-school suspensions.

"You can't penalize Southerners or people who have Southern heritage from their own expression of their own pride," said Tampa lawyer Frank Jakes, who is representing the students and their families.

"Students have First Amendment rights that they do not give up the moment they walk on school grounds. In the absence of a disruptive effect, they have every right to display appropriate symbols.

"There was no unrest in any way in which the flag was a catalyst," Jakes said.

A staff attorney will have to review the lawsuit, Grace White, spokeswoman for the school district, said Tuesday.

"Based on our policy, our dress code, our code of conduct, usually what happens is, if any kind of dress is not conducive to a learning environment or any type of behavior is not conducive, than we have to deal with it quickly and appropriately," White said.

Alachua County's school policy states that students must "dress in a way not offensive to others or inappropriate at school and at school-sponsored events including, but not limited to, exposed underwear, saggy/baggy pants, clothing promoting drugs, alcohol, tobacco, gang identification, weapons and/or sexual behavior" and "not disrupt the learning process."

Under a "free speech" section, the policy states that students must "recognize the rights of others by expressing yourself in a manner which does not disrupt the orderly process of education, violate school rules, or infringe on the rights of others."

Laura Scott, Franklin Scott's mother, said she wasn't aware of racial tensions at the school that might have prompted concerns.

"I do not think that he was displaying it in any way that would cause problems," she said. She said he had been told before about showing the flag. That day, he rolled up the flag and put a tube over the antenna.

"Out of respect of what he had asked them, he had actually put it away," Laura Scott said. "Even though he did put it away, they still revoked his zoning."

Her son, who now attends Buchholz High School, has relatives who were Confederate soldiers, she said.

His forefathers include his great-great-grandfather and great-great-uncle, who fought at the Battle of Olustee in 1864, the lawsuit states. A re-enactment of the battle is held annually near Lake City.

The other student's relatives could not be reached Tuesday.

When the 2000-2001 school year began, the lawsuit states, Franklin Scott learned from Santa Fe employees and administrators that the School Board had decided to ban displays of the Confederate battle flag. "Innumerable" students at Santa Fe were disciplined or told to remove the flag or clothing depicting the flag.

At that time, School Board members and Santa Fe Principal Lamar Simmons received a flurry of e-mail about the situation, many from other parts of the country.

"We who live in the South believe our students should be allowed to honor their Southern heritage, even by wearing historical shirts," Elijah Coleman wrote. "If you have class troublemakers, then that should be handled on an individual case basis."

"Unfortunately, you have now become a part of this ongoing trend of cultural genocide of all things Confederate," wrote G. Elliott Cummings, a past commander for the Maryland Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

The Florida Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans is supporting the lawsuit.

Simmons, who has been principal at the school of 1,164 students since the mid-1990s, did not return calls Tuesday.

University of Florida law professor Fletcher Baldwin said lawsuits like this generally "don't stand a snowball's chance in hell" and are usually filed for notoriety.

But, Baldwin said, the School Board's defense could be hurt by "the underlying equal protection component."

"Are you just outlawing that Confederate flag or outlawing all symbols of hate, or what are not hate symbols but unfortunately have been made symbols of hate?"

If rules aren't applied uniformly, the School Board could be viewed as taking sides, he said.

"The School Board can't take political sides in an issue like this."
 
we had a problem witht that in school once. some black kids wore malcom x stuff to school and the pricipal let them do it. a guy wore a rebel flag shirt that had the rebel x on there and the words malcom who? he was told to take it off whereas the kids wearing malcom x shirts were'nt told a thing. i figured if they get to wear that then others should get to wear the rebel flag shirt. maybe not with malcom who on it but a shirt nonetheless. well they solved all that, the liberals got school uniforms mandated now so everyone wears the same colors. it's a communits move i tell ya, make everyone look the same,destroying individuality and eliminates socio-economic competition and making them easier to control, and you have no more problems. it'll backfire on them soon enough.
 
JohnyJuice said:
But Malcolm X shirts are cool, cause he wasnt a hateful man :rolleyes:


malcolm was alot of things. hateful, spousal abuser, racist, sexist, criminal. However, considering the environment he grew up in that type of thing is expected.

besides, he rose above that to be proud of something everyone else told him to be ashamed of. while high yellows were reveling in their skin color he said 'i hate every drop of white rapist blood in me'. He stood up for the idea that he wasn't inferior or a mistake.
 
Sushi X said:
well they solved all that, the liberals got school uniforms mandated now so everyone wears the same colors. it's a communits move i tell ya, make everyone look the same,destroying individuality and eliminates socio-economic competition and making them easier to control, and you have no more problems. it'll backfire on them soon enough.



i think conservatives support it.

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/UniformLinksEffects.html

besides, i've always felt it was the conservatives who wanted to limit freedom & force their morality on the world (war on X,Y,Z; anti burning the flag, anti aclu, anti prison rights, pro school uniforms, etc).

liberals (within reason, mind you) just want to extend rights to people regardless of whether they are considered respectable or not.
 
First, I do not respond to personal ad hominem attacks from certain members, which Golfer customarily throws out.

Of course, Golfer can continue to throw all the attacks he wants, and well, I, just simply won't respond to any of his arguments or his threads----which is the policy I've now adopted---I have simly not chosen Golfer as someone I will bother debating.

I'm always happy to respond to rational, coherent, logical, and even plausible arguments, even when they drastically differ from my own.--so long as expressed with a mere peppercorn of intellect and integrity.

I have done just that most recently in Bigguns "Something to ponder" thread since he met the above criteria--if you need more information please visit that thread.

Good day,
Ryan.:)
 
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RyanH said:
First, I do not respond to personal ad hominem attacks from certain members, which Golfer customarily throws out.

Of course, Golfer can continue to throw all the attacks he wants, and well, I, just simply won't respond to any of his arguments or his threads----which is the policy I've now adopted---I have simly not chosen Golfer as someone I will bother debating.

I'm always happy to respond to rational, coherent, logical, and even plausible arguments, even when they drastically differ from my own.--so long as expressed with a mere peppercorn of intellect and integrity.

I have done just that most recently in Bigguns "Something to ponder" thread since he met the above criteria--if you need more information please visit that thread.

Good day,
Ryan.:)


What Ryan is trying to say is:

Leave me alone, my butt-gina hurts!!!
 
nord, conservatives, from what i see, want to preserve the rights that are already in act, such as freedom of religion and the right to bear arms, just to name a few from the top of my head. liberals want to destroy that and take it all away. you forget though, i'm only moderately conservative and i'm libertarian. i could care less about the uniform issue cause that happend many years after i got out of school. my beef is the way liberals always find something wrong with people's right to do something and want to change it to suit their own screwd up agenda. i don't know, it's all messed up. i'll wave my flag with pride despite what others think and if it offends them tough.
 
nordstrom said:



malcolm was alot of things. hateful, spousal abuser, racist, sexist, criminal. However, considering the environment he grew up in that type of thing is expected.

X was at his best when they offed him. I didn't know he was a wife beater though, how'd you hear that? Where did youget that from? I only read the Haley biography so my info is skewed. I always like the fact that J. Edgar never got shit on him but sent a tape of MLK pounding another woman to MLK's wife.
 
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Since Im a new user with only 100 some posts no one cares about what I have to say, but Ill say it anyway...

I don't blame RyanH for not defending himself in this thread but I dont know why hes trying to pull this "Im so superior to you that youre not even worth my time" nonsense. Just say you wont respond to personnal attacks and leave it alone.

And I also think it was totally unnecessary to promote all those new moderators. The last thing a board like this needs is policing, especially by moderators who let their emotions affect their work.

Oh yea, Golfer 18, I totally agree with that white double standard bullshit youre talking about.
 
Sushi X said:
nord, conservatives, from what i see, want to preserve the rights that are already in act, such as freedom of religion and the right to bear arms, just to name a few from the top of my head. liberals want to destroy that and take it all away. you forget though, i'm only moderately conservative and i'm libertarian. i could care less about the uniform issue cause that happend many years after i got out of school. my beef is the way liberals always find something wrong with people's right to do something and want to change it to suit their own screwd up agenda. i don't know, it's all messed up. i'll wave my flag with pride despite what others think and if it offends them tough.


Good points. Too bad ultra-conservative Bush is running roughshod through our civil rights eh?
 
Kahn said:


X was at his best when they offed him. I didn't know he was a wife beater though, how'd you hear that? Where did youget that from? I only read the Haley biography so my info is skewed. I always like the fact that J. Edgar never got shit on him but sent a tape of MLK pounding another woman to MLK's wife.



in his youth he was. it was in the Haley biography, he used to beat up his white girlfriend.
 
Sushi X said:
nord, conservatives, from what i see, want to preserve the rights that are already in act, such as freedom of religion and the right to bear arms, just to name a few from the top of my head. liberals want to destroy that and take it all away. you forget though, i'm only moderately conservative and i'm libertarian. i could care less about the uniform issue cause that happend many years after i got out of school. my beef is the way liberals always find something wrong with people's right to do something and want to change it to suit their own screwd up agenda. i don't know, it's all messed up. i'll wave my flag with pride despite what others think and if it offends them tough.


yeah, they do want to preserve those 2. but stereotypically (i don't know for sure) it is usually right wing conservatives who are anti miranda, anti prisoner rights, anti drugs, anti burning the flag, anti aclu, anti internet freedom of speech, anti gay rights, etc. i assume by your posts that you just want your freedom (due to the fact that you joined the LP). but it seems like far right conservatives have a system of values that they want to enforce on the public, just like the far left do. it is just a different system.

me, im apolitical. i have no power so i don't even try. if i feel the need to break the law i do so in the privacy of my own home with no witnesses. if i am anything i guess i am a progressive party believer. or libertarian.
 
well, i'm for prisoner's rights but i don't think we need to baby them or give them the royal treatment. the liberal movement seems to think so.

i don't like flag burning but it's not my place to stop it. when the person catches themselves on fire then they will learn not to mess around.

drugs, well i don't like them but i do see where the benefit would come in by at least decriminalizing them. it would keep more people out of prison which eliminated overpopulation, and keeps the cost down, not wasting tax dollars.

i'm definately anti-aclu. they are a joke.

i'm all for freedom of speech.

i'm for gays having the right to live a productive healthy life such as you or i. what they do in private is their business like what i do in private is mine.

yes i want to preserve mine and everyone esle's constitutional rights. i don't like the idea of having the constitution re-written to appeal to conservative or liberal ideaology. leave it alone and preserve the rights it established.

my beef with ryan is his i'm superior to you attitude. i could be wrong but that's what i get from his posts anyway. it's still no reason to slam him at every corner.
 
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