Ryan..seriously...

[Frackal]

Do you disagree with ANYTHING a democrat will do, has done, or is doing...?

I mean, I try to be open-minded with you despite my own personal beliefs on why you're a dem, and what party I think you'll be affiliated with in the future..but this is just ridiculous...

So, question is...are you COMPLETELY blind-party or do you think for yourself from time to time?

 

[MP5]

Don't bother Frackal, it is like talking to a wall. I admit that I am a registered republican but there are certain things that I flat don't agree with that the party does, but not in Ryan's case.

 

[Weapon X]

I vote the issues, not by party. The GOP most often speaks to me on the issues, but not always.

 

[Frackal]

Well...and no offense meant to ryan, this is JMO, but I don't even think Ryan really believes what he says, kind of like the hippies who turned yuppies...I sense a real lack of sincerity from his posts...read them, they sound like the same type of bullshit the politicians spew...

Ex: "The honorable Clinton legacy will continue... blah blah"

What a crock of shit.

But I still think you're an ok guy Ryan, I like how you present your views w/o insults and get everyone all riled up.

 

[Laserdude]

Hey Frac, I believe that is his assigned job, just stir them up...and let it sort it's self out. If he loves the code of Bushido so much then why doesn't he move to Japan? I wish he would, then he might find out what kind of back stabbing SOB's they are. By the way they are the most BIGOTED people as a culture I have ever met.... If your not Japanese in Japan, you just don't plain fit in.

God help you if your parents were a couple of Japanese and Koreans, you are less then dirt there.......

 

[danielson]

he's a democrat mole sent here to guage public opinion for hilary's election in 2004.thats why. trust noone

 

[Frackal]

Ryaaaaannnn....

 

[Jimsbbc]

Ex: "The honorable Clinton legacy will continue... blah blah"

What a crock of shit.


LMAO, my sentiments exactly. I have to say that the Clinton admin really proved how the Denocrats intend to run the country...ass backwards. The Gore election scandal proves that they are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to win any election.

 

[RyanH]

Frackal----

I'll respond to this post since you clearly know how to engage in debate without resorting to the cheap, easy tactics some other members resort to in attempting to prove a point. (Of course, they rarely prove their points with their cheap rhetoric).

No. I do not agree with everything the Democratic Party has ever done. In fact, I'm disappointed that the Democratic Party has moved towards the center. The welfare reform legislation Clinton signed, although successful, was probably a mistake. The Democrats should have considered the hard-working union members in this country when NAFTA was approved. I also disagree with the Democrats move towards approving the death penalty. Further, the Democrats have let this current "Appointed President" get away with murder---I'm disappointed that AL Gore didn't slam-dunk Bush over his tax cut for the rich.

In short, the Democrats have sold-out to some Republican selfish ideas with much of its recent legislation.

Do I think President Clinton is perfect? No. But, I do believe he served his country with honor. More people have jobs today b/c of Clinton, the Environment has been protected better b/c of Clinton, workers earn a higher wage now b/c of Clinton. True, President Clinton has his personal flaws, but how many of us do not?

Why do we expect the President to be perfect in his personal behavior? Remember, to err is human. Overall, honor can come not just from personal behavior but from the work that you do.

President Clinton, more so than any President since President Johnson, has been a hard-working President who was with the American people every step of the way. You can feel that's overly optimistic, that's your choice. But, many of us honestly feel President Clinton cared about the American people----not just about the executives in the white ivory tower board rooms that the President Bush hangs out in.

In short, before you criticize Clinton, why don't you take a look at 1) what he did for the American people, and 2) How much he loved his job.

These two factors should tell you more about the man, than some trivial affair he had with an intern named Monica Lewinsky.

Ryan.

 

[Frackal]

I actually agree with most of what you said in your last post Ryan, I think Clinton did do some really good things while he was in office, I would personally pick Clinton over Bush, Bush over Gore, reason I say 'honorable' and laugh is not really because of the Monica Lewinsky incident per se, but how he handled it, ie, outright lying to the public...Now, I'm not saying that most and probably every other politician in this country doesn't do that all the time, they do. This incident is not the only reason I scoff at the honorable term.


But I wouldn't put the term 'honorable' before the name of any politician, with the possible exception of Jesse Ventura. (he wants to legalize gear :^)

 

[dballer]

"President Clinton, more so than any President since President Johnson, has been a hard-working President who was with the American people every step of the way. "

Ryan.

Both of whom have sided with communists in one way or the other. Bill used more Marshall Law on his own countrymen than any other American President.

 

[r00+]

Oh wait

Hey ryan you forgot a couple more affairs:
Gennifer Flowers
and
Paula Jones

It's interesting that most people forget that it's not a Presidents job to do anything except enforce exsisting law, and act as a balance for legislative bills passed by congress.

Clinton revolutionized the Office by being heavily legislative.

He was a terrible president if you consider that his job is to enforce laws, i.e. Waco and Ruby Ridge.

 

[needleboy]

Actually the best thing Clinton did was nothing. During his admin, he had the luxury of being president during the tech stock/dot com boom. He allowed the Fed to control inflation, and so litttle economic policy that the market economy was able to work the way it is supposed to.

He had NOTHING to do with the economic boom, he just simply did not fuck it up. This is in large part due to the Republican effort to block his Socialized Medicine plan, which was sort of a wake up call that no signifigant legistlation that would negatively effect the economy was going to pass.

Ryan H is a socialist, his belief that the Democrats have moved to far to the center is proof.

 

[MP5]

I would still like someone to explain to me how our tax system in this country caters to the rich! Seems to me since the less you make in the USA, the less percentage of your income you have to pay in taxes caters to the poor.

 

[needleboy]

because Socialist believe that all money is the property of the government. And that yopur income is what they allow you to keep. Because the rich get to keep so much (in $ ) it must cater to them. How else could Al Gore say with a straight face that a tax cut is a risky way to spend money. YOU DO NOT SPEND MONEY ON A TAX CUT, YOU SIMPLY TAKE LESS MONEY AWAY FROM PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!

 

[Weapon X]

Clinton did something alright. He passed around 300 Executive Orders during his terms in office. What are Executive Orders? They are laws established by U.S. presidents. These laws are not passed by the House or the Senate and create an end-run around the Constitution.

Check this shit, bros: http://www.cwfa.org/library/misc/1999-12_pp_eo-dictator.shtml

http://www.impeachclinton.org/resources.php3?nameid=worsteo

http://www.thewinds.org/archive/government/eobf6-97.html

“Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kind of cool.”
—Paul Begala, former aide to President Clinton

 

[liftsiron]

We are now seeing the second Bush economic boom. The richest 1% getting the biggest tax cuts, everyone else getting laid off. Rejoice we can all join the president in public prayer.

 

[MP5]

Didn't you get you check in the mail like everyone else? And that was retroactive, you will save even more in the upcoming year. Wait until you make some good money and the government TAKES 39% of it! Fucking thieves!

 

[Kryp2o]

Frackal----

I'll respond to this post since you clearly know how to engage in debate without resorting to the cheap, easy tactics some other members resort to in attempting to prove a point. (Of course, they rarely prove their points with their cheap rhetoric).

Damn . . . If this isn't the pot calling the kettle black. Major bullshit.

 

[Laserdude]

We all know about the three branches of government, executive, legislative, juducial, but the one branch we are never told about is WE THE PEOPLE, we the people can nullify many of the laws we disagree with as in Jury nulification. We can overturn any law we wish by attending a jury trial when called to service and declare the acused NOT guilty, like in a herb case violation, The courts don't want us to know we can do this so it is suppressed information. So how's that one work for you Ryan? Throw out the herb laws by just voting not guilty! Put the law on trial, not the people...

Of course this doesn't mean letting serious criminals go free, just the minor stuff....

Any thoughts, any one?

 

[Weapon X]

I am amazed to hear anyone else mention jury nullification! Wow, rock on, bro!
You've given me hope.

 

[RyanH]

I am amazed to hear anyone else mention jury nullification! Wow, rock on, bro!
You've given me hope.

WeaponX derives hope from a few fellow Elite users.

Sad, WeaponX.

 

[dballer]

WeaponX derives hope from a few fellow Elite users.

Sad, WeaponX.

Very sad... that more than a few fellow Elite users are afraid of speaking their thoughts as Weapon X does.
I think it is even cheaper and sadder to hide behind a pink triangle.

 

[Weapon X]

crimestop - Orwell's definition : "The faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. In short....protective stupidity."

P.S. - In Orwell's book, "Ingsoc" stands for English Socialism.