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right guys, this year(after 1.5 years out) i am thinking of playing rugby again but am wondering how it will affect my training (bodybuilding)....will i loose mass even if i just stick to the compound basics but eat loads?
I wanna try and gain weight, is this possible with rugby aswell?
All the rugby players i know are pretty huge and strong as hell, even though they are training twice a week, playing 1-2 games and lifting weights.....how should i train, compound basics?


help....american football and rugby players any veiws???
 
re bodybuilding and rugby. in all reality, my man, if you really want to excel in rugby, you will have to forsake certain elements and results of your bodybuilding. reasons?
i) the aerobic component of rugby means that you will have to do much more running, even if it is only short sprints, than you would do as a bodybuilder. this will compromise your energy reserves and tax your anaerobic system - in season, that means that you will probably get a little weaker in the gym.
ii) no serious rugby player i know does nine different exercises for one body part (like calves), as do bodybuilders. many of those exercises are meant for hypertrophy mainly, and in rugby if it ain't useful weight, meaning working towards your power and speed into contact, you don't want it. most bodybuilders are very large, yes, but not as strong as athletes or powerlifters in terms of power:weight ratios.
iii) whereas the exercises which DO contribute to your power and speed are mainly core exercises and full body exercises, i.e. squats, deadlifts, power cleans, snatches, hang cleans, clean pulls, and plyometrics. even for the core lifts, the reps are usually no higher than 6 or so (save for warmups) in order to increase strength and neuromuscular response. bodybuilding works in ranges mainly for hypertrophy of 8 - 12 reps. this will affect the sorts of "pumps" you get in the gym, and will eventually affect the look of the muscle, turning it from that round, almost inflated look of a bodybuilder into a much more skeletal and practical muscle of an athlete.
iv) those exercises also stress the core strength area, namely the waist, and will thicken it up considerably. where you once had a v-taper, you will now be a little more "blocky" as a result of increase abdominal and lumbar strength and mass.
v) consider also the injury probability - everyone i know who plays anything like serious rugby gets injured for a time during a season, and that will keep you out of the gym, especially if your priority is on the pitch. that too will affect the sheer size of your muscles.

all that said, though, i wouldn't worry too much about the loss of too much muscle mass. look at lomu, jason robinson, the south african front rows, etc. they are big, yes, but none of them would qualify for a serious bodybuilding competition. they could however smack the living shit out of any bodybuilder with a dumptackle and get around just about any Olympia competitor with relative ease. what muscle you see on a rugby player is there because he or she USES it, not because it comes from an exercise out of FLEX magazine.

hope this helps - i'd say go for the rugby, but then you have to make up your own mind. i also think from my own experience that women prefer the athletic look to the pumped up bodybuilder look - but then few men are actually bodybuilding just for women, as opposed to trying to look intimidating to other men.

my two cents worth.
 
ummmm.....well,

from my experience.....

Rugby = large quantites of alcohol after game


nuff said regarding your question WPH. If you can stick to your water you'll be fine.
 
oi, rugby players are far fitter than bodybuilders superbabe!

I dont think any players from pro sides are allowd to drink anymore....thats why most of the fat bastards have gone.
If you compare rugby at a high standard now to 5 years ago, the players are sooo much fitter, i think alot of that is to do with the cutting down on the booze.
You telling me you dont drink? I fucking do, but am still pretty fit all round, i just dont do it all the time, nothing wrong with that is there?

That is the thing, most of the rugby players i know drink like mad, play loads of rugby, train 2-3 times a week with their team and lift.....granted they eat like troopers, but how do they stay so damn huge(and most are lean too!!!)
does it just come down to genetics???

Fuckers!!!
 
Superbabe said:


nuff said regarding your question WPH. If you can stick to your water you'll be fine.
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Na, i think i will stick to the protein drinks, the prayers and the vitamins bruthhhhhaarrr!!

Does anyone else remember Hulk Hogan saying that shit???

''you know something macho, dude!!!
I've been to the top of the mountain Bruthhaaarr, I've walked through the valley of the shadopw of death........An ive got the largest arms int he world......for all the lillte hulkamaniacs out there.....''

Hulk did rule!
 
I dont know what some of u people think us rugby players do, but im currently playing for pontypridd rfc youth side and even at our level if the coach sees us drink were out of the team and our conracts are ripped up in our face. Yes we are a fitter than bbers and to answer one of wph q's to stay lean and strong a lot use, guess what - juice, even at my level there is at least 10 player that i know have juiced. I havent yet but i will have to face reality and do it some time so i can keep my place. The wru turns a blind eye to all of this and they say the drug test but they dont. an we get a lot of aur supplement given to us they give us ready made recovery drinks(protein, carbs etc) after traing and games and they give us 3kg tubs of whey from aviform every 2months during the platying season. As has been said before our weight training just tends to consist of 3 sessions a week focusing mainly on the compound lifts. The combination of this and the cardio has gotten me in the best shape of my life big ,strong , lean and fast. Wph i will mail u with my training schedule that i have for this season when i find it if u want m8

Hulk
 
superbabe spoeaks of...

...Collegiate Rugby in the US, I bet. It's the same as a frat with balls.

That is all most americans know of rugby.

I play D2 Mens in the US and drinking is still very much a part of the sport, however, things are changing as we try to get the "soccer mom" appeal (read: financial backing).

I can say in aspects of strength, talent, athletism, HEART, cardio, etc, ruggers are far more fit than any other athletes I can imagine. No other sport demands as much.
I am talking SPORT-long distance running is not a sport, it's complete destruction of the body.

Rugby Forwards (I am a hooker) are the fittest beings on earth!

Now, if you have plenty of mass and in no need of bulking, go for it! The change will do you good, work the heart and lungs, while strengthening the tendons and such.

Good Luck and let us know what happens!

Rugger
 
do explosive and core lifts only

i would suggest 2 days core 2 days explosive

explosive- cleans, snatches, push\powerpress
core- bench squat deadlifts ETC then maybe 1 complementary exercise per body part- shoulder press, tri extensions, pullups or pulldowns and curls

for running- plyometrics speed training and lots of endurance.
long and short sprints, explosive jumps bounding etc
 
as a young girl I was captian of the boys rugby...I think Rugby is in the heart not in the gut. Rugby is the most soul destroying sport if your soul is not in it but if it is...by god it gives you everything a man neads (yes, I will kick Mr Gracies poultry flesh). It is not about great bodybuilding vs great rugby..a great MAN knows what to choose but to do both is a matter of diet and the secret here is clear..muscles tears fater than fat and fat is an art form...so wher si that fucking beer?
 
I do 3 sessions a week during the season, and 4 when off season. My club still trains over the summer though.
In the weights sessions i do cleans, deadlifts, barbell rowing, push presses and shrugs. IN the other i do squats, bench pressing, tricep dips and close grip bench pressing.
On the last weights day, i do what evr i feel like, usually more benching and squats.

I play number 8 at the moment and am gaining well.
my bench is 130 kg, my deadlift is 190 kg and i can squat 175 kg.

Rugby is the best, and HARDEST sport on earth.
The second being rugby league, now those guys now how to hit.
Did any of you see that scott gibbs program on BBC 2 a couple of weeks ago?
 
Wow, kracker impressive stuff pal.
How old are you?

I am 18, i bench 80kg.....i dont know what my best dead or squat is, i dont do reps below 8 on sqauts and dont always deadlift, i dont really do them much really.
well, i just started doing a 'back combo' that consists of 6 deadlifts, 6 barbell rows and 6 shrugs all in the same set and weight....good stuff!
:)
 
yeah, i saw the gibbsy doc, good stuff!
I play center and i think he is a great example for all players and other sports men alike...he rules!
shame he has retiered from the international game now :(
I still watch him though, i live in swansea and have a season ticket, so when i am not playing, i go and watch.

COME ON THE WHITES!
 
wellsh
I think your best bet is Deca or Equi cause of all that abuse. I tore my hammy the second day of double days cause i was running Fina and Test with not enough eq. I'd say hit the deca hard, cause if your gonna drink you don't want anything harder than deca (ie test dbol drol) your in england get some norman hellas andd hit it up. All the guys on my team do all that core power stuff. Id say hit it like a bber on the weights and the Deca and cleans are good to avoid hammy tears 20/20 hindsight.
 
Well, i am lifting twice a week now.
Doing one fittness session with the team and a skills session plus a game a week, so things are quite hard going.

I am eating more to try to gain some weight. Started creatine to add power,speed, strength and weight.

I dont wanna take steroids!!!!

Yeah, alot of the guys i play against are on them and it shows with the tackels they put in, but i am holding my own and consider myself to be a hard hitting tackler.

I am currently doing cleans, squats, bench, shoulder press, rows, pushdowns and forearm work. I have started doing some extra neck exercies to prevent injury and thicken up that area(i think it looks intimadating...big neck+traps=dont fuck with me!)

CHEERS GUYS, KEEP THE REPLYS COMING!
 
I play, i dont use steroids. But since the game has gone pro, alot of people now do, i dont understand why they dont drug test!!!!
 
Rugby Workout

I play D1 Rugby and am still searching for the perfect balance of bodybuilding and true "Rugby Shape". As you know rugby DEMANDS endurance. Trying to bodybuild and stay in rugby cardio shape absolutely sucks. One thing is build mass during the offseason by heavy lifting and of course running 2-3 times a week for a few miles. Two months out from season start working reps more with lighter weight and running more. During season lift to maintain. Good Luck!!!! Also different positions on the field demand different things --- forwards need more power, backs need more speed and agility.
 
I play football and its a pretty tuff and a violent sport/.. but i dont think i would ever play rugby...u guys r crazy...

give u lots of credit


i posted early, for am sport like rugby u just build power, and power endurance.
 
haha, are we crazy?
Football is pretty mad at times...way too much padding though!

It is hard to build mass during the on season. I tend to stick with powerlifting style exersices and 'quick' or olympic lifts. These two styles of training build far more power and strength than some girly isolation bodybuilding exercise will.

Rugger88, where do you play(team and position?)

I play in a local Swansea team at center.
 
Bodybuilding and Rugby go together just fine as long as you don't workout the day before a game, or the day after a game (you shouldn't be able to move the day after):D
 
Natymike said:
Bodybuilding and Rugby go together just fine as long as you don't workout the day before a game, or the day after a game (you shouldn't be able to move the day after):D
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yeah true, i can move much, well i can drive home.....but can't move the day after.
 
I work out 2-3 times a week during season. Generally on Mon, I do Chest and back.

On Wed., ill do my power day-
4-5 sets cleans
3-5 sets deads
2-5 sets full squats

On Fri, ill hit arms and shoulders.

We play on Sat.
Practice Tues, Thurs.

my team- www.backbayrfc.com
 
I have changed my routine a little now, and it is going quite well:

Monday:

back, shoulders and legs

thuesday:

fitness session with team

wednesday:

power cleans, bench press and arms

thursday:

team skills session

friday off:

saturday:

game

sunday:

rest
 
Re: superbabe spoeaks of...

rugger said:
...Collegiate Rugby in the US, I bet. It's the same as a frat with balls.

That is all most americans know of rugby.

I play D2 Mens in the US and drinking is still very much a part of the sport, however, things are changing as we try to get the "soccer mom" appeal (read: financial backing).

I can say in aspects of strength, talent, athletism, HEART, cardio, etc, ruggers are far more fit than any other athletes I can imagine. No other sport demands as much.
I am talking SPORT-long distance running is not a sport, it's complete destruction of the body.

Rugby Forwards (I am a hooker) are the fittest beings on earth!


Wooooo there. I play Outside Centre and Fullback and I have to say that fullback is just as hard, if not more.
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Re: Rugby Workout

rugger88 said:
I play D1 Rugby and am still searching for the perfect balance of bodybuilding and true "Rugby Shape". As you know rugby DEMANDS endurance. Trying to bodybuild and stay in rugby cardio shape absolutely sucks. One thing is build mass during the offseason by heavy lifting and of course running 2-3 times a week for a few miles. Two months out from season start working reps more with lighter weight and running more. During season lift to maintain. Good Luck!!!! Also different positions on the field demand different things --- forwards need more power, backs need more speed and agility.
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Where do you play???
I'm D1 too. Texas baby.
 
Forgot this. Forwards need more power, and backs just need speed and agility???!?!?!?!?

What about the Centres. There always the backs pounding it up the line and taking/giving the hits.
And fullbacks, ya, most of their tackles are at full speed, that doesn't require maximum power???

cheers
 
All rugby players need power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have played hocker(when very young), flanker, center and wing.

The biggest hits are inthe center, you get big, strong guys running full speed at you...in forward play you get big, slower guys running over much shorter distances at you...the hits are big, but centers are the king of hits and hard tackles!
 
WPH

I disagree. Flankers make the biggest hits on the centers that break through the line. I prop, so I don't even think I'm biased. Season starts next weekend for me. My schedule for season is:

Mon Chest Calves
Tues Training > Back Bi's after
Wed Shoulders Tri's
Thur Training
Fri off
Sat games
Sun legs @ night
*also throw in cleans once a week whenever I can
 
you're going to find it hard going to do legs the day after a game.
My legs kill after a game, and ache even more the day after!

I have played flanker, hooker, center and winger.....center tackles are by far the hardest hitting....more space for back row players to run at you, oppositte number has alot of room to bulid up speed...
 
use your head on the thigh - brings down the biggest man with ease!

Something I used a lot in my highschool rugby days as a hitman winger ;)

Its funny becuase here I was a winger taking out forwards left right and centre :p
 
i really need to know what to do here

on season rugby goes from mon-fri, usually with 2 games/week and the rest are practices, the practices are basically 1-2 hours of non stop balls out running and hitting. my coach is a psycho when it comes to fitness cause thats what gives our team the edge over the others. i was never really into bodybuilding before but for next season i wanna prevent any muscle loss from the crazy sprinting i have to do but not get too fat. im planning to bump in a couple more calories but am still lookin for a good split to go along with it. any ideas?

basically mon-fri on evenings and some mornings i have rugby so i need to get a good split around that. i dont wanna have rugby hurt my lifting or vice versa
 
Dont bother lifting on any days you do rugby.
Dont train the day before a game.

Basically, you will get a strong, fast and powerful body from fitness training with your team if you do press ups, free squats, sit ups, carrying people in races, tackle bag drills, resistance drills with pads, scrums ect in training you are taxing strength so just eat loads of protein and complex carbs.......

you wont get fat traing 5 days per week!!!!!!!
dont care who you are.

Your coach sounds like a hard ass!

Good luck in your games pal....:)
 
Hey, interesting thread - here's my input.

I've played rubgy from an early age and played both codes. I have played prop, second row, and no. 8 in my life and decided that when I got to Uni, I wouldn't join a squad in my first year so I could enjoy my freshman year and also try and get myself big and strong in the gym for the year after (everyone else looked so much older/bigger/stronger!).

I'd never been to a gym regularly/seriousely before and made some rapid gains. Feeling more confident and stronger I went and signed up for rugby league in my second year and all I can say is Bam! Wow! Playing Prop (@ 6''2', 18st) I really enjoyed the physical nature of the game - and the way the half backs ran straight at me with the ball :)

However, training twice a week with the team, coupled with the fact you can't train hard the day before a game and are f*cked the day after, and Uni life in general meant that my time spent in the gym died off and my lifts plummetted :(

This year I've had to start from scratch again and again my lifts are increasing all the time but this year I'm thinking of taking up powerlifting because I don't think my genetics would ever let me get lean enough to BB.

Just my £0.02 worth. Good luck!

TauRine.
 
cool.......sounds good my friend. Powerlifting is definately the way to go for rugby and sport in general. Bodybuilding makes you look fit, but really bodybuilders are very unfit!!!!

dont do too much weights, plyometrics are a great way to increase explosive power.

I used to train as a powerlifter doing a bb split, but now i juts power lift 2 days per week, plyo/sprint, train with club and enjoy my nightlife like i expect you do as a fellow student!!!

good luck
 
:beer:

WPH: What are your routines? If I do take up Rugby League again next year I'm thinking I'm definitely going to want to squeeze deadlifts, squats, and bench in there somewhere!

TauRine.
 
i am 21 years old and at the moment pushing my way into the sport. i have read all that you all have posted and i just think its great. i can't wait to start. i am converting from bodybuilding to strength and speed training, so this is a big change for me considering the fact that this would have completed my 5th year in bodybuilding. i don't know if the games is nice to short stalky folk but i feel that everyone needs to stay the fuck out of my way!!!!!
 
I change my routine quite a bit, i have'nt lifted weights for a month now :( because my shoulder took a huge hit and is totally fucked at the mo......got a game next wednesday and then the following saturday, so need to recuperate!

Here is what i do weights wise in the 'on season'

Day 1:

Power cleans 3 sets of 5
bench press 3 sets of 5
squats 3 sets of 8-10*
upright rows 3 sets of 8-10*
leg press 3 sets of 5
push press 3 sets of 5
d/b curls 3 sets of 8-10*

Day 2:

Power cleans 3 sets of 5
incline press 3 sets of 5
squats 3 sets of 8-10*
bent over rows 3 sets of 8-10*
leg press 3 sets of 5
push press 3 sets of 5
d/b curls 3 sets of 8-10*

*i find that 5 reps does'nt work aswell on these lifts

Dont use too much weight if you have'nt done push press or cleans before, learn the correct technique and work up slowly.

Running: (track running)

-warm up with 1600 metre slow jog (twice around track)

-sprint 50 metres 3 times
-sprint 40 metres 3 times
-sprint 30 metres 3 times

then do something like this:

-Jog 50 metres, sprint(90% effort) 20 metres, jog 50 metres, sprint (90%) 20 metres

After you have done the straight sprinting which are great for all around speed and power, the interval running helps you in a 'game situation' because you are speeding up and slowing down as you would do in a game.

Remember to warm up fully before lifting weights or sprinting, stretch your whole body to help flexibility and avoid potential injury.

Hope that helped
 
thanks buddy! i am a little bit nervous at the moment but i am sure that will pass. thanks for the sprinting routines, is this what most do??

what are your stats?
are there many short people in the game
 
Depends on your quickness/ speed/ size level.

If you are short, smaller and quick as shit- scrum half
If you are short and fast as hell- winger

If you are short and thick and strong, I would say hooker.
 
Rugby the toughest sport on earth? - :rolleyes: You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

I played that shit for three years in college and all it's just an excuse to fight. Then your average rugby player likes shout shit about how tough they are.

The sport itself is NOT tough.

If you want to fight then step in a boxing ring (or even a wrestling ring) for 12 rounds...I'd love to challenge any rugby player to step in the ring with me...then I'd fuckin show them what a tough sport was.
 
And welsh power house...I toured England & Wales for three weeks and the majority of rugby players are fat fucks who like to try and stomp your face while you're down.

Thats what one fat fuckin prop did to me...I shattered his jaw.
 
Rugby is a tough sport, very physically demanding. yeah alot of fighting goes on, but thats not the tough side of it......i would far rather take a punch in the face than be dumped on my neck or head by a 250lb monster.

you shattered his jaw??????? oh my God dont ever mess with tis guy, what a hero, i want to be like you some day, maybe if i was'nt such a pussy i would do a real sport.

what a macho cunt you are....come down to my club, try shattering my jaw.....boxing does'nt work when it's 15 on 15 u silly cunt
 
Well I suppose it depends on what you call tough, there are many more tough sports than rugby.

From what I have played, I wouldn't call it tougher than your average sport. The big guys are unfit and usually fat and the smaller backs are fitter but not powerful. I would go as far to say that even Football is a rougher sport to play than rugby.

And about me shattering the guys jaw...If some fat fuck stomps my face then of course I'm gonna retaliate (The cunt only just missed my eye). Imagine it...me a 160lb skinny fuck taking out a 220lb+ rugby player. I don't care how many guys are on the pitch supporting him. As long as he gets what he deserves then I dont give a shit. I dont go out of my way to start a fight out of the ring, boxers can't do that. And yes, as it happens, I shattered his jaw and he spent the next few months recovering from having his face re-built.

You'd rather be dump tackled than punched in the face? Serious injury from tackling is fairly rare, you just get a bit winded. A clean shot from a trained fighter causes a lot more damage.


By the way, the most macho guys I've ever met have been rugby players.

"U silly cunt"
 
NYguy said:


From what I have played, I wouldn't call it tougher than your average sport. The big guys are unfit and usually fat and the smaller backs are fitter but not powerful. I would go as far to say that even Football is a rougher sport to play than rugby.
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Try playing in New Zealand or South Africa. There are wings that make you look like the size of one of their testicles. Guys 6'5" 250lbs and are more fit then 90% of scrum halfs. Oh, and I'd like to see you try to shatter my jaw. If i took a cheap shot on you on the field you wouldn't be moving for a while.

Cheers
 
rugby players unfit??????????
backs not powerful????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jonah lomu, 6'5'' 295lbs runs 100 metres in 10:08 unfit, not powerful???? him running at you has the same impact as a car hitting you at 20mph.

im not trying to make rugby out to be the hardest sport in the world, neither am i saying that i am tough or that rugby players are all solid. Football tougher.....plz!!!!! take off the pads, helmets ect take out all the stoppages add some rucks, mauls and a few fights and you have something to compare rugby to.

http://www.rugbyfootball.com/rrr/injuries_rise.html

http://football.about.com/gi/dynami...w.exsands.com/Misc3/rugbyinjurysta_udd_ex.htm

read for yourself
 
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