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The_Eviscerator
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gilly6993 said:
I have been on a low carb cutting diet as well, so the results may be skewed downward.
RSOC Primobolan Test Results
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I have been on a low carb cutting diet as well, so the results may be skewed downward.
Bigpress26
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FUCK. this sucks. I just picked up 2 bottles of the redstar b/c I heard good things about it. Paid more that I wanted to also! Now I'm thinking i got ripped off. This sucks. Is this the final word? It's Fake? Is there any other way to test for primo or the existence of steriods in the oil? thanks
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satchboogie
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Date: 07/09/03 05:36 PM
Author: NEWGAC
Subject: Who is this guy?
You know that Butters and I really wanted to wait until we got back stateside to address this Primo testing bullshit but this Wallace character as it turns out, is posting links on EVERY board out there to the board he is the ADMIN on which he posts this "assay" supposedly done on our Primo. Wallace and I have a bit of history that I am sure Wallace will not deny it, or will you Wally? And Wallace has a definite axe to grind with me and RedStar.
I know, I know, he is putting up links to "his board" to tell the world about the "Badstar Primo" because he is the hero of the day and he is only looking out for your best interests because he is a true bro in every sense of the word. The sad thing is that we're finding a lot of bros believing this without even giving us a fair chance to defend ourselves. If Wally had a bridge for sale and described it on a piece of plain white paper, would you buy it?
Does this lab assay come on a letterhead? NO! Is there a telephone number on the assay that you can call to verify it? NO! Is the assay signed and dated by the person who read and performed it? NO! Does it look like something someone could copy from a real assay into MS Word without the graphics parts (like a signature or logo)? HELL YEAH!!! This "assay" looks like it comes from SRCS. However, SRCS, when we called them TODAY, AND WE DID CALL THEM AND YOU SHOULD AND CAN TOO IF YOU DOUBT IT, will not release the results of any customers assays to someone over the phone. They can't So all you have is something that looks like it was done it MS Word cloned from a legit SRCS assay put into a .pdf and now the Primo that so many bros have used and raved about is fokking bunk?!? I'm disappointed, I really am. There is no loyalty among too many people. Heck, if I am guilty, I should fry for sure (and I say that because I know I am not) and if I am guilty of selling plain oil with no steroids in it like this assay alleges, remember, it's not just that they didn't detect methenolone enanthate, they detected NO STEROIDALS in the bottle, then I should be banned from every board, tarred and feathered, whatever.
But damned, don't I deserve the benefit of the doubt? Don't I get a chance to defend myself and my product? I'm being convicted on the slimmest shreds of the most dubious evidence.
And I am pissed off now. And I am collecting names and e-mail addy's of anyone posting shit about us in any thread and if you're in Butters database, you are cut off forever.
I am truly pissed off, that I can't go away on vacation for a fokking week without shit like this happening. What, I don't get a break? I can't have a good time or a life without shit life this happening? This timing wasn't deliberate now was it?!?
Unreal, I have always come through for EVERY customer of mine, even when it costs me out of pockect. If someone's order is screwed up, they make it back in spades. If it is late, they get it doubled. And now because some William WallASS says my gear is bunk on every board (ever wonder why he never posted the scan on the boards but rather put links back to HIS board where he is the ADMIN and they have like 2000 posts total and 200 members?) it automatically is because he posts some scan that my 5 year old daughter could make in 10 minutes using Microsoft Office products?
CALL SRCS and ask to verify the scan. They will NOT do it!!! How very convenient for Mr. WallASS and his friends, isn't it?
Forget it, I am not dealing with this shit again. I'm posting a lab scan (with a letterhead and signature, I have to use SRCS even though I don't want to because WallASS claims he did and we need to be consistent) when I get back proving the PrimoMAX is legit, the stuff is being sent overnight to the lab, they will have a scan for me on Monday the 14th, the earliest I can get it from them. You have any idea how much this is costing me to do from where I am now?
And once I settle this shit and show that the PrimoMAX contains 200mg/ml methenolone enanthate +/- 5% either way I am dropping this issues and any doubters like flies.
And the business model is going to change. Sorry, I realized a lot today via e-mails from a alot of people. This is my vacation time I am doing this shit on. It's not fair to me, Butters, my kid, this is just taking up too much time. We're off the boards when I get back and we're only dealing with customers we know are solid. And we're not opening the doors up EVER again. You want to be a customer but aren't now? You'll need two (2) existing bros on my approved list to refer you to us personally. No exceptions. I'd rather have 500-1000 loyal bros who order $1K at a time then 6,000 hysterical shitheads ordering single bottles who freak out the second someone posts some dubious crap about me without giving me the chance to defend myself.
The retail end of Red Star is retiring FOR SURE. Wholesale only when I get back. If you are an approved customer and not slamming me here or at Anabolex or OSBB or wherever, you're good to go and you'll probably like the new service we're working out. The rest of you...pucker up and give my hind side a nice long smoocheroonie!!! GMUNK, they are ALL yours, enjoy them.
And WallASS, you're not the hero you think you are or want people to think you are, friend. You're a sycophant who is pissed because I would not kiss your ass way back when and you've had it in for me since that time. And now that a certain someone has come around with some money and a new board (and wait, did I hear he will have his own lab too?) you're trying to take a swing at me, the big guy, eh?
I'm not going anywhere, Wally...I've cut farts that caused me more stink than you will.
I'm NOT posting again until I get the results of the lab tests back from SRCS and have them scanned.
Frankly, I don't see the point. Either my stuff is as I say it is or it is not. If you used the PrimoMAX and don't think it has ANY steroids in it (never mind methenolone enanthate) then here is your chance to take a swing at me. If you are an up and coming bootlegger who wants to bash me with the hopes you'll get some extra sales out of it, then go for it (hear that Wally and crew?).
But until I get the labs back, everything you say and do is just a bunch of posturing. And when I get the results back, be sure and bend over, OK?
Phil
Author: NEWGAC
Subject: Who is this guy?
You know that Butters and I really wanted to wait until we got back stateside to address this Primo testing bullshit but this Wallace character as it turns out, is posting links on EVERY board out there to the board he is the ADMIN on which he posts this "assay" supposedly done on our Primo. Wallace and I have a bit of history that I am sure Wallace will not deny it, or will you Wally? And Wallace has a definite axe to grind with me and RedStar.
I know, I know, he is putting up links to "his board" to tell the world about the "Badstar Primo" because he is the hero of the day and he is only looking out for your best interests because he is a true bro in every sense of the word. The sad thing is that we're finding a lot of bros believing this without even giving us a fair chance to defend ourselves. If Wally had a bridge for sale and described it on a piece of plain white paper, would you buy it?
Does this lab assay come on a letterhead? NO! Is there a telephone number on the assay that you can call to verify it? NO! Is the assay signed and dated by the person who read and performed it? NO! Does it look like something someone could copy from a real assay into MS Word without the graphics parts (like a signature or logo)? HELL YEAH!!! This "assay" looks like it comes from SRCS. However, SRCS, when we called them TODAY, AND WE DID CALL THEM AND YOU SHOULD AND CAN TOO IF YOU DOUBT IT, will not release the results of any customers assays to someone over the phone. They can't So all you have is something that looks like it was done it MS Word cloned from a legit SRCS assay put into a .pdf and now the Primo that so many bros have used and raved about is fokking bunk?!? I'm disappointed, I really am. There is no loyalty among too many people. Heck, if I am guilty, I should fry for sure (and I say that because I know I am not) and if I am guilty of selling plain oil with no steroids in it like this assay alleges, remember, it's not just that they didn't detect methenolone enanthate, they detected NO STEROIDALS in the bottle, then I should be banned from every board, tarred and feathered, whatever.
But damned, don't I deserve the benefit of the doubt? Don't I get a chance to defend myself and my product? I'm being convicted on the slimmest shreds of the most dubious evidence.
And I am pissed off now. And I am collecting names and e-mail addy's of anyone posting shit about us in any thread and if you're in Butters database, you are cut off forever.
I am truly pissed off, that I can't go away on vacation for a fokking week without shit like this happening. What, I don't get a break? I can't have a good time or a life without shit life this happening? This timing wasn't deliberate now was it?!?
Unreal, I have always come through for EVERY customer of mine, even when it costs me out of pockect. If someone's order is screwed up, they make it back in spades. If it is late, they get it doubled. And now because some William WallASS says my gear is bunk on every board (ever wonder why he never posted the scan on the boards but rather put links back to HIS board where he is the ADMIN and they have like 2000 posts total and 200 members?) it automatically is because he posts some scan that my 5 year old daughter could make in 10 minutes using Microsoft Office products?
CALL SRCS and ask to verify the scan. They will NOT do it!!! How very convenient for Mr. WallASS and his friends, isn't it?
Forget it, I am not dealing with this shit again. I'm posting a lab scan (with a letterhead and signature, I have to use SRCS even though I don't want to because WallASS claims he did and we need to be consistent) when I get back proving the PrimoMAX is legit, the stuff is being sent overnight to the lab, they will have a scan for me on Monday the 14th, the earliest I can get it from them. You have any idea how much this is costing me to do from where I am now?
And once I settle this shit and show that the PrimoMAX contains 200mg/ml methenolone enanthate +/- 5% either way I am dropping this issues and any doubters like flies.
And the business model is going to change. Sorry, I realized a lot today via e-mails from a alot of people. This is my vacation time I am doing this shit on. It's not fair to me, Butters, my kid, this is just taking up too much time. We're off the boards when I get back and we're only dealing with customers we know are solid. And we're not opening the doors up EVER again. You want to be a customer but aren't now? You'll need two (2) existing bros on my approved list to refer you to us personally. No exceptions. I'd rather have 500-1000 loyal bros who order $1K at a time then 6,000 hysterical shitheads ordering single bottles who freak out the second someone posts some dubious crap about me without giving me the chance to defend myself.
The retail end of Red Star is retiring FOR SURE. Wholesale only when I get back. If you are an approved customer and not slamming me here or at Anabolex or OSBB or wherever, you're good to go and you'll probably like the new service we're working out. The rest of you...pucker up and give my hind side a nice long smoocheroonie!!! GMUNK, they are ALL yours, enjoy them.
And WallASS, you're not the hero you think you are or want people to think you are, friend. You're a sycophant who is pissed because I would not kiss your ass way back when and you've had it in for me since that time. And now that a certain someone has come around with some money and a new board (and wait, did I hear he will have his own lab too?) you're trying to take a swing at me, the big guy, eh?
I'm not going anywhere, Wally...I've cut farts that caused me more stink than you will.
I'm NOT posting again until I get the results of the lab tests back from SRCS and have them scanned.
Frankly, I don't see the point. Either my stuff is as I say it is or it is not. If you used the PrimoMAX and don't think it has ANY steroids in it (never mind methenolone enanthate) then here is your chance to take a swing at me. If you are an up and coming bootlegger who wants to bash me with the hopes you'll get some extra sales out of it, then go for it (hear that Wally and crew?).
But until I get the labs back, everything you say and do is just a bunch of posturing. And when I get the results back, be sure and bend over, OK?
Phil
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satchboogie
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a legitimate and understnandable situation.
for the time being, lets give redstar the benefit of doubt.
for the time being, lets give redstar the benefit of doubt.
gilly6993 said:
Hey bro, if you can send me 3mls of the product I can have it tested for you for about 80 bucks
There will be no lab results posted, you will just have to trust me, we won't make it public but you can share it with your fellow bros.
(this is only available to gilly)
Payphone_Johnny
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Well...the 'results' say that there is NO ACTIVE INGREDIENT whatsoever-something I don't believe for a fucking second.haxedout said:guys i have shot a total of 4800mg of the primomax so far and im already seeing results...nice pumps.. muscles are full and i have been dieting.. this stuff aint fake, thats for sure.. today i been hungry as shit.. anyone have hunger on primo?
If its working then there is 'something' in there
William_WaLLace
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My response to RedStars accusations.
Also the member decided to come out and reveal who he was, and that I dont have anything to do with the test, its just a publication of the results. The full responses are on bb4l, but i will post mine here, since I see someone posted GAC's.
Well Redstar, I guess instead of addressing the lab reports or dealing with issues you may have with your product(s), the same issues you have had twice in the past, you instead resort to an ad hominem attack, typical from what I have seen of your customer service. It is noteworthy to mention in my initial post on these lab results, I invited you to reply in a civilized manner, as well as others, who may have input on the subject, no bias present, just information that as an alleged reputable UG lab, you should deal with and want to address.
Let us first go into detail on how these lab results came to be and how my involvement came to be, since I apparently am at issue. You had a customer, a regular guy who got your product tested, and those results came back badly for you and him. My understanding is that he contacted you via e-mail, and was threatened by you or your group. Understandably upset he contacted a MOD on my board who also MOD’s on various other boards bmf. I was then contacted and asked if those results could be published on my site, I consented, and I knew I would be up against the wrath of RSOC, and that is how I became the purveyor of this news. Bmf can substantiate at what point my involvement was considered and that I did not ask for this responsibility, indeed I almost passed on it, I thought for a moment to leave it to someone else to face BadStar, because you do play ugly, and we know your not always honest.
Now you question whether the lab result is real or fake, or if it is simply made up, so let us address the issues, rather than call names. Well, sir you can call SRCS so can anyone else, and though they will not release personal information, such as who got the product tested, they will in fact verify that a sample of RSOC primo was tested. Anyone who desires there contact info can contact me and it shall be freely given. Certain parts of the tests were edited out such as the name, e-mail, and set ID # this was done at request of the person who had the product tested, for he is nervous at your revenge, I am not. You can ony threaten and cajole so many people into compliance RSOC.
You also insinuated that I did time in Club Fed, and am the head of a UG lab. These claims are patently false and without substance, though it is easier for you to attack me than to deal with your product issues. As stated before, and time and time again, I am in Law School, my last year, and many people from the boards can verify and back that statement up. I have spoken and made a great deal of friends over time on the boards, and some have my contact info, but I am sure you will not believe them if they come forth.
So I give you this offer in front of the whole internet world. I have spoken to Rick Collins on the phone in the past concerning his book (since we are in the same field, or I almost am), he has my name and phone number, and has called my home before, he knows who I am, where I go to school etc. I will offer all verifiable information to him concerning my identity, Drivers License, Passport, even my birth certificate, hell if money allows, I will even visit him. I will proffer what law school I attend, and any other information. Mr. Collins can run a background check, and if I have a record of any sort, besides traffic violations-lol, I like to speed; I will GIVE MY BOARD TO YOU, all server fees paid for one year.
We also have something in common. I know a past writer for MD, he lives where I do, and occasionally trains with me, he used to work for Blechman and Twinlab. A call can be made to your friend John Romano, verifying that indeed I own BB4L, and that I head no lab, and am in law school, so take your pick RSOC, the balls in your court.
Secondly, you claim I head a UG lab. I will tell you this and all my MODS know this for a fact and can verify this. No selling of AS by MODS or Admin is tolerated on BB4L. I started the board as a safe place for members to hang out without fear of the board being shut down because of a bust, or any other reason. I am also in law school, as stated previously. I have no desire to start a UG lab or head one and risk arrest and prosecution. I have worked to hard all my life, and can not risk what you and others risk to run your labs, I have chosen a different path. If you can substantiate that I SPEARHEAD a UG lab, again, I OFFER MY BOARD TO YOU. I believe BAD Star/GAC you should address the merits of your products and not make unverifiable, untrue personal attacks.
For example, you sold parabolan as trenbolone acetate. Later, it was proven that you sold masteron as trenbolone actetate. You blamed these problems on your supplier and crew, changed your name, and came back to the scene. Bad Star this is the third time your products did not test well, and I felt compelled as a member of the bodybuilding community to let people know the results of a test by a regular customer with no affiliation to yourself or to me. That’s the type of person I am, I do not like others getting screwed, and too much negative information has been clouding your products. I am sure you will have a test that will come at 100% or probably above, lol. I just don’t know how much credibility you should be afforded considering your history. This is the THIRD time you have been in this spotlight sir.
I do not deal in drama RSOC, my word is my bond. I made some promises to you in front of everyone in the world, now it is your turn to do a few things. Tell us why we should believe you? You who has been proven to lie twice, and now possibly a third. Also, you made claims about me, put up or shut up now my friend, nothing to hide here, can you say the same?
Also the member decided to come out and reveal who he was, and that I dont have anything to do with the test, its just a publication of the results. The full responses are on bb4l, but i will post mine here, since I see someone posted GAC's.
Well Redstar, I guess instead of addressing the lab reports or dealing with issues you may have with your product(s), the same issues you have had twice in the past, you instead resort to an ad hominem attack, typical from what I have seen of your customer service. It is noteworthy to mention in my initial post on these lab results, I invited you to reply in a civilized manner, as well as others, who may have input on the subject, no bias present, just information that as an alleged reputable UG lab, you should deal with and want to address.
Let us first go into detail on how these lab results came to be and how my involvement came to be, since I apparently am at issue. You had a customer, a regular guy who got your product tested, and those results came back badly for you and him. My understanding is that he contacted you via e-mail, and was threatened by you or your group. Understandably upset he contacted a MOD on my board who also MOD’s on various other boards bmf. I was then contacted and asked if those results could be published on my site, I consented, and I knew I would be up against the wrath of RSOC, and that is how I became the purveyor of this news. Bmf can substantiate at what point my involvement was considered and that I did not ask for this responsibility, indeed I almost passed on it, I thought for a moment to leave it to someone else to face BadStar, because you do play ugly, and we know your not always honest.
Now you question whether the lab result is real or fake, or if it is simply made up, so let us address the issues, rather than call names. Well, sir you can call SRCS so can anyone else, and though they will not release personal information, such as who got the product tested, they will in fact verify that a sample of RSOC primo was tested. Anyone who desires there contact info can contact me and it shall be freely given. Certain parts of the tests were edited out such as the name, e-mail, and set ID # this was done at request of the person who had the product tested, for he is nervous at your revenge, I am not. You can ony threaten and cajole so many people into compliance RSOC.
You also insinuated that I did time in Club Fed, and am the head of a UG lab. These claims are patently false and without substance, though it is easier for you to attack me than to deal with your product issues. As stated before, and time and time again, I am in Law School, my last year, and many people from the boards can verify and back that statement up. I have spoken and made a great deal of friends over time on the boards, and some have my contact info, but I am sure you will not believe them if they come forth.
So I give you this offer in front of the whole internet world. I have spoken to Rick Collins on the phone in the past concerning his book (since we are in the same field, or I almost am), he has my name and phone number, and has called my home before, he knows who I am, where I go to school etc. I will offer all verifiable information to him concerning my identity, Drivers License, Passport, even my birth certificate, hell if money allows, I will even visit him. I will proffer what law school I attend, and any other information. Mr. Collins can run a background check, and if I have a record of any sort, besides traffic violations-lol, I like to speed; I will GIVE MY BOARD TO YOU, all server fees paid for one year.
We also have something in common. I know a past writer for MD, he lives where I do, and occasionally trains with me, he used to work for Blechman and Twinlab. A call can be made to your friend John Romano, verifying that indeed I own BB4L, and that I head no lab, and am in law school, so take your pick RSOC, the balls in your court.
Secondly, you claim I head a UG lab. I will tell you this and all my MODS know this for a fact and can verify this. No selling of AS by MODS or Admin is tolerated on BB4L. I started the board as a safe place for members to hang out without fear of the board being shut down because of a bust, or any other reason. I am also in law school, as stated previously. I have no desire to start a UG lab or head one and risk arrest and prosecution. I have worked to hard all my life, and can not risk what you and others risk to run your labs, I have chosen a different path. If you can substantiate that I SPEARHEAD a UG lab, again, I OFFER MY BOARD TO YOU. I believe BAD Star/GAC you should address the merits of your products and not make unverifiable, untrue personal attacks.
For example, you sold parabolan as trenbolone acetate. Later, it was proven that you sold masteron as trenbolone actetate. You blamed these problems on your supplier and crew, changed your name, and came back to the scene. Bad Star this is the third time your products did not test well, and I felt compelled as a member of the bodybuilding community to let people know the results of a test by a regular customer with no affiliation to yourself or to me. That’s the type of person I am, I do not like others getting screwed, and too much negative information has been clouding your products. I am sure you will have a test that will come at 100% or probably above, lol. I just don’t know how much credibility you should be afforded considering your history. This is the THIRD time you have been in this spotlight sir.
I do not deal in drama RSOC, my word is my bond. I made some promises to you in front of everyone in the world, now it is your turn to do a few things. Tell us why we should believe you? You who has been proven to lie twice, and now possibly a third. Also, you made claims about me, put up or shut up now my friend, nothing to hide here, can you say the same?
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