I so far have gained 9 pounds of LBM off of Havoc. I ran it at 30/30/30/40mg a day along with 5 pumps of Dermacrine everyday as well. No side effects except Back pumps when I took Amp02 pre workout. These gains probably sound far fetched to some of the more experienced gear users, but I had virgin receptors. I trained balls to the wall and ate consistently at 1000 kcal above maintenance. After the first week of Havoc i could not take Amp02 because it caused severe back pumps in the gym. I used 4 Lipoflame for my preworkout supp with no problems. I just started my PCT of Sustain Alpha 5 pumps 2x day and POST CYCLE and UNLEASHED at 2 servings a day each. We will see how much of my gains I will keep after my PCT is complete. I imagine I will continue to gain throughout PCT, just as a product of my training, diet, and supplementation. Havoc is a Steroid and if you are under 21 I would save that bottle until you are finished growing. It should last a couple of years if stored in a cool dry spot. Good Luck.