Roy Jones Nandrolone

[Bruce]

Roy is my favorite athlete hands down, been watching him for 10 years. however, i heard he tested positive for juice before his fight with Hall in 2002, boxing said it was just ripped fuel that was banned from boxing, however, i found after researching on the internet that Ripped Fuel wouldnt show up on a test, and that Jones tested positive for Nandrolone. crazy. i don't really care though. i thought he was invincible, just human though. maybe thats why he aint been the same since Ruiz. still recovering or something. if you look at him during ruiz fight his face was all fat and he looked like he was on dbol. just wanted to share this as it is very interesting to me and no other group of people would look at it the same as you guys.

 

[sweed]

is that the dude in your avatar?

 

[help4john]

is that the dude in your avatar?

Yes it is....and he used more than Ripped Fuel and Deca too.

 

[Apexx]

I heard him and Brad Pitt have the same supplier

J/K I have absolutely no idea if Roy Jones ever juiced. This just seamed like
one of those kind of threads

 

[Bruce]

I heard him and Brad Pitt have the same supplier

J/K I have absolutely no idea if Roy Jones ever juiced. This just seamed like
one of those kind of threads

i can get you a link if you want. he has so much power in boxing that it was hidden away quite nicely, what else was he using, anyone know. fuck bradd pitt he couldn't beat up the man who ended Holyfield and outweighed him by 50 pounds

 

[Bruce]

is that the dude in your avatar?

yeah thats him at middleweight, before juice, i have a picture of him all juiced but can't fit it in avatar. apparently sugar ray leonard used to juice. shane moseley admitted to using balco, and vargas just tested positive for wintsrol. of course he is getting fucked, doesn't have the power moseley or jones have

 

[Madcow2]

I was always a big Roy Jones fan. I think it was his sister who lived behind me in college back in the day. Boxing, like any other sport that can benefit from strength and speed isn't going to be totally clean. That said, the use of nandrolone is surprising. That's a serious dumb ass move for an athlete who knows he's going to be tested. The clearance time can be over a year for testing purposes. Tested athletes know to avoid it - this is testing 101. Maybe he got sold a counterfeit and thought he was getting something else (primo or something maybe as most injects are cheaper not more expensive). Maybe someone deliberately screwed him. Who knows but if this was his choice and he knowingly used it, you need to find a different idol.

 

[Bruce]

I was always a big Roy Jones fan. I think it was his sister who lived behind me in college back in the day. Boxing, like any other sport that can benefit from strength and speed isn't going to be totally clean. That said, the use of nandrolone is surprising. That's a serious dumb ass move for an athlete who knows he's going to be tested. The clearance time can be over a year for testing purposes. Tested athletes know to avoid it - this is testing 101. Maybe he got sold a counterfeit and thought he was getting something else (primo or something maybe as most injects are cheaper not more expensive).

agreed howevever finding out that it is nandrolone is nearly impossible, i was able to find a copy of his test on the internet after using google and searching Roy Jones positive for steroids. it showed he was way above the normal nandrolone level, thats how they know. funny thing is that he guy he was fighting, Hall tested positive with higher levels of nandrolone. boxing has kept it silent though, so i guess roy can do what ever he wants. my opinion is that he is juicing right now while everyone thinks he is waiting to get hungry again. Roy is always hungry especially after getting knocked out. so when his system is clear, he will come back woop ass to regain his pride and retire.

 

[smaretick]

yeah thats him at middleweight, before juice, i have a picture of him all juiced but can't fit it in avatar. apparently sugar ray leonard used to juice. shane moseley admitted to using balco, and vargas just tested positive for wintsrol. of course he is getting fucked, doesn't have the power moseley or jones have

Wow...surprised sugar ray used to use. I used to watch all his fights back in the day. Watch him now on the Contender...him & Stallone make an interesting pair

 

[help4john]

...surprised sugar ray used to use.

Are you fellas serious? Never heard that Sugar Ray ever used.

I'll check....but I believe Jones has used Var in the past as well.

 

[Bruce]

tommy hearns and marvin hagler both claim that sugar ray took steroids to move up 15 pounds to fight them at middle weight. tyson learned about steroids from guys he was in jail with, and holyfield was known for working out with admitted steroid users. there is no proof that sugar ray used, however, hearns was a good guy and i don't think he would make that up he beat Ray. hagler on the other hand was sour as hell so probably just went along with it. you never know. fighters with lots of power can get it taken care of obviously. i will tell you that i have every sugar ray fight on dvd as well as Roy, from ringdvd.com, its the bomb if you like boxing, and in his fight against hearns he looks like he took steroids he is cock diesel compared to his 135 pound frame, in the fight Roy tested positive for juice before, he is a nut, and looks unreal, his arms are huge. he is running around the ring kicking his own ass everytime he knocks the guy down, he is dancing while pummeling Hall. pretty obvious.

 

[cboogsrun]

Roy is my favorite athlete hands down, been watching him for 10 years. however, i heard he tested positive for juice before his fight with Hall in 2002, boxing said it was just ripped fuel that was banned from boxing, however, i found after researching on the internet that Ripped Fuel wouldnt show up on a test, and that Jones tested positive for Nandrolone. crazy. i don't really care though. i thought he was invincible, just human though. maybe thats why he aint been the same since Ruiz. still recovering or something. if you look at him during ruiz fight his face was all fat and he looked like he was on dbol. just wanted to share this as it is very interesting to me and no other group of people would look at it the same as you guys.

His face was fat? Maybe he was at his natural weight and you usually see him when he's dehydrated and around 4% body fat. He was still showing great abs. He weighed in at 193 with sweats on. He weighed in at 172 for most of his lightheavy fights. Some websites have said he swelled up to 205 before the first Tarver fight. Could just be rumors

Boogs

 

[maldorf]

The night Tarver knocked out Jones was probably the best night of boxing ive ever watched. It was about time that he went down, being such an egomaniac. I think tarver won that first fight too. Jones is finished

 

[Bruce]

The night Tarver knocked out Jones was probably the best night of boxing ive ever watched. It was about time that he went down, being such an egomaniac. I think tarver won that first fight too. Jones is finished

tarver lost the first fight sorry, he should have been able to beat a dehydrated weak jones who dropped 30 pounds of muscle not fat, very bad idea. second fight was a lucky punch on a still weak roy. after losing to Glen Johnson tarver showed us that he was in the right place at the right time knocking out roy, johnson fought a still weak roy, but he did it decisively the first time. tarver is done, and is probably gonna end up knocked out by hopkins or jones. if he doesn't lose again to johnson. jones will be back. ray leonard got knocked out and beaten badly before his resurgence and fights with hearns and hagler, ali lost as well the best have to lose sometime. doesn't mean they don't come back and whip ass

 

[galaxy]

Well the winter olmpics had cross country skier testing postive for nandrolone due to there use of nitro tech or similiar supplement due to it containing nor andro without there knowledge.

 

[maldorf]

I think if Jones comes back it will be much like when Holyfield came back to fight again. Watching Holyfield get beat down was an embarassing sight, and Jones knows that his best days are gone and he doesnt want to hang around after his time is over like Holyfield did. Jones lost 2 fight back to back. In that last Tarver fight, Tarver was far ahead in points anyhow and would have won easily even without his "lucky" punch.

 

[mookie]

i can get you a link if you want. he has so much power in boxing that it was hidden away quite nicely, what else was he using, anyone know. fuck bradd pitt he couldn't beat up the man who ended Holyfield and outweighed him by 50 pounds

Roy Jones never fought Holyfield. Roy Jones was great but he is done now no heart never had one got by on his speed. I will give him credit he beat Hopkins and Toney but most of the time he fought bums.

 

[Sir-Que]

I didn't hear about Roy juicing, but I know they do, look at Tua. Dude looks like a walking beast. Holyfield, yeah he does look like he juices, you can see it in the traps.

P.S. Tarver did get a lucky punch, and he did lose the first match.

SQ-

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Uh, I am the biggest Roy fan alive, but I have to tell those of you who obviously don't box -- Tarver's punch was NOT lucky. It was calculated against a non-juiced, tired, dehydrated Roy.

Let us not forget that Roy was not only off cycle, he had to then lose 25 pounds. So we can all guess where his natural test levels must have been. And as much as it pains me to say it, Jones apparently did juice. Boxing underground says anavar was his favorite choice. Regardless of what it was, one can tell by his physique in his prime that something was probably up. The 175 lb body we saw in the Tarver fights is what a natural Jones looks like.

All that aside, he was, and maybe still is, one of the top five most talented boxers out there. Those of you who say he fought bums...dead wrong. I notice that once a boxer loses, everyone jumps on the "He was all hype" bandwagon. I guarantee you that Roy Jones is every bit the real deal. You think otherwise, you don't know shit about boxing.

You can look over on the anabolic board to see if I know boxing. Five years ago I predicted Hopkins to be the best middleweight in history. I stand by that today, along with most everyone else now. I wagered $1800 on his fight against Trinidad, calling the KO, the over-under, the cards (who was ahead), and the win. I called both the Mosely/Forrest "upsets", the Tzu/Juda KO, the Mayorga/Forrest KOs, both times, winning money both times, and the Trinidad/Mayorga KO. Most professional boxing experts didn't get all those. I did, however, miss-call the Tyson/Lewis fight, but becasue of Tyson's unpredictability, I never bet on his fights. Anyway, the point is, those of you who are trashing Roy might want to take a look at what you actually KNOW about boxing. It is truly a sport for champions only.

 

[Sir-Que]

Uh, I am the biggest Roy fan alive, but I have to tell those of you who obviously don't box -- Tarver's punch was NOT lucky. It was calculated against a non-juiced, tired, dehydrated Roy.

Let us not forget that Roy was not only off cycle, he had to then lose 25 pounds. So we can all guess where his natural test levels must have been. And as much as it pains me to say it, Jones apparently did juice. Boxing underground says anavar was his favorite choice. Regardless of what it was, one can tell by his physique in his prime that something was probably up. The 175 lb body we saw in the Tarver fights is what a natural Jones looks like.

All that aside, he was, and maybe still is, one of the top five most talented boxers out there. Those of you who say he fought bums...dead wrong. I notice that once a boxer loses, everyone jumps on the "He was all hype" bandwagon. I guarantee you that Roy Jones is every bit the real deal. You think otherwise, you don't know shit about boxing.

You can look over on the anabolic board to see if I know boxing. Five years ago I predicted Hopkins to be the best middleweight in history. I stand by that today, along with most everyone else now. I wagered $1800 on his fight against Trinidad, calling the KO, the over-under, the cards (who was ahead), and the win. I called both the Mosely/Forrest "upsets", the Tzu/Juda KO, the Mayorga/Forrest KOs, both times, winning money both times, and the Trinidad/Mayorga KO. Most professional boxing experts didn't get all those. I did, however, miss-call the Tyson/Lewis fight, but becasue of Tyson's unpredictability, I never bet on his fights. Anyway, the point is, those of you who are trashing Roy might want to take a look at what you actually KNOW about boxing. It is truly a sport for champions only.

Oh I do know shit about boxing, both Tarver and Jones are counter punchers, so yeah he ment to throw the punch, but Taver is not a power puncher and if they fought again he'd never knock jones out in the second round, never.

SQ-

 

[benevolent anarchist]

Yes but you don’t believe that AAS affect chin strength, do you?

I’m a big RJJ fan as well, but the second Tarver fight exposed Roy as having a weak chin and altered everyone’s perception of him. During the nineties when he was beating everyone, some said he was dodging fighters while others said it was simply a result of weak middleweight divisions. After the second Tarver fight you have to look back at those years and wonder who was right.

 

[lefler]

all this "lucky punch" talk is crap!

you either get knocked out or you didnt.

to me the lucky punch is just a damn exuse to why you just got your ass kicked.

 

[Madcow2]

A rock solid 100% shot to the chin when you don't see it coming will knock almost anyone out providing the fighter can hit hard. You fight enough times, eventually someone is going to land one of these. Obviously skill and other factors can offset the odds but roll the dice enough and everyone can loose. It's part of the game.

 

[mookie]

Uh, I am the biggest Roy fan alive, but I have to tell those of you who obviously don't box -- Tarver's punch was NOT lucky. It was calculated against a non-juiced, tired, dehydrated Roy.

Let us not forget that Roy was not only off cycle, he had to then lose 25 pounds. So we can all guess where his natural test levels must have been. And as much as it pains me to say it, Jones apparently did juice. Boxing underground says anavar was his favorite choice. Regardless of what it was, one can tell by his physique in his prime that something was probably up. The 175 lb body we saw in the Tarver fights is what a natural Jones looks like.

All that aside, he was, and maybe still is, one of the top five most talented boxers out there. Those of you who say he fought bums...dead wrong. I notice that once a boxer loses, everyone jumps on the "He was all hype" bandwagon. I guarantee you that Roy Jones is every bit the real deal. You think otherwise, you don't know shit about boxing.

You can look over on the anabolic board to see if I know boxing. Five years ago I predicted Hopkins to be the best middleweight in history. I stand by that today, along with most everyone else now. I wagered $1800 on his fight against Trinidad, calling the KO, the over-under, the cards (who was ahead), and the win. I called both the Mosely/Forrest "upsets", the Tzu/Juda KO, the Mayorga/Forrest KOs, both times, winning money both times, and the Trinidad/Mayorga KO. Most professional boxing experts didn't get all those. I did, however, miss-call the Tyson/Lewis fight, but becasue of Tyson's unpredictability, I never bet on his fights. Anyway, the point is, those of you who are trashing Roy might want to take a look at what you actually KNOW about boxing. It is truly a sport for champions only.

Roy Jones is the most talented he's faster then a lightweight but he has no heart and I know boxing and to say he didn't fight bums your crazy look at his record he fought Toney, Hopkins, Tarver and who else some decent fighters the rest bums. He ducked Hopkins for a rematch knocked out by Tarver and wouldn't give Toney a rematch. To lose 25lbs for a bout is what alot of boxers do. Gatti and Trindad lose about 30lbs before there bouts I use to drop 20lbs before a bout so to lose 25lbs is no excuse. To say Bernard Hopkins is the best middleweight of all time is a bold statement and most people won't agree with you that Hopkins is the best middleweight of all time he is top 5 but not the best. Sugar Ray Robinson, Harry Greb, Marvin Hagler, Jake Lamotta and Mickey Walker are usually in most boxing mags top 5. I love Bernard Hopkins I sometimes train at his gym Champ's I spar With Ivan Robinson when I am leaving he is coming in the guy is always in shape. I rate Hopkins # 3 on the all time list.

 

[Fukkenshredded]

He ducked Hopkins because Hopkins wasn't woth the risk. Hopkins was the only fighter who could have beaten him, and Hopkins still isn't big money even though he is arguably the best boxer currently fighting. Sometimes all heart is not as good as heart AND cunning, and what Roy lacks in heart (which isn't much -- he faught Tarver, didn't he?), he definitely makes up for in cunning. That plus left him momentarily when he fell victim to the catcalls of fans like you and gave into his heart and ego, sidestepping his common sense. Even he said he never should have done the rematch so fast.

And what about this list of bums? Do you even know who Roy's opponents were? Toney and Hopkins weren't the only fighters, my friend. Jorga Vaca and Jorge Castro were largely underrated fighters, despite the fact that they won the often mocked WBC titles. Montel Griffin is a bum now, but who was saying that in their first fight? You? I highly doubt that. Otis Grant and Reggie Johnson were made to look silly only because they were so seriously outclassed. But lets get back to this "only Hopkins, Toney and Tarver" thing. What does it say that he beat them, all in their primes? And yes, Hopkins was in the beginning of his prime. In fact, it can be said that the Roy fight was what pushed him all the way there. All he lacked was savvy. That's a good example of heart vs. savvy, in fact. It takes everything. If you are one of those "all heart" boxers, then rate yourself right there with Vinny Pazienza, a so called bum that Roy absolutely dessicated, practically without even getting hit. I remember my friends, make that my BOXER friends (pros, both), who told me that Paz was gonna beat Roy on heart. What a fucking laugh. Every combat specialist knows that emotion is a LIABILITY in combat. You do what you know is right. Not what you feel. Anger, rage, hope and heart are all part of the same thing -- emotion. Let one get the best of you and any other can creep up. Case in point: Jones/Tarver. Tarver simply out-witted Jones. What better time to catch him when you KNOW he is off cycle, has lost twenty five pounds of muscle, and is angry and tired? You say you lose 25 pounds before a fight -- is that muscle? I doubt it. It certainly isn't in Trinidad's case, or Gatti's. No excuse? Tarver is Roy's twenty pound senior, and punches as hard as ANYBODY in that weight division. He knocked out iron chins before he ever even got to Roy. And what's this other people are saying about Tarver being a bum? I don't think so. Anyone who reaches the level of champ is not a bum, period. There are lots of boxers on this board, but I doubt there are any world champions.

If you are one, then props to you.

 

[mookie]

Far from a world champion I won the 2000 Pennsylvania Golden Gloves in the lightweight division. Tarver is far from a bum but he is not known as a knockout artist what iron chins did Tarver knock out before Jones nobody but Harding who beat him the 1st time. Did you see the Hopkins fight the both felt each other for 12 rounds boring fight. You left out some names he fought when he was champion Clinton Woods, Glen Kelly, Richard Frazier, Bryant Brannon, Tony Thorton, Derrick Harmon, Juloi Casear Gonzalez, Eric Lucas not your world class fighters you think the champion of the world should be fighting. Vinny Pazienza was a blown up lightweight if anybody did juice it was him. If your boxing friends where telling you Pazienza was going to beat Roy they have been punched in the head one too many times. Look I like Jones but you don't get the nickname Reluctant Roy for no reason.

 

[cboogsrun]

yeah thats him at middleweight, before juice, i have a picture of him all juiced but can't fit it in avatar. apparently sugar ray leonard used to juice. shane moseley admitted to using balco, and vargas just tested positive for wintsrol. of course he is getting fucked, doesn't have the power moseley or jones have

Vargas has plenty of power. When was the last time you saw Mosley knock someone out. Shit he's won one fight in his last 5. Personally I like to watch all 3 fight. Well not Roy so much anymore, he's too rich and doesn't have the ambition to fuck people up anymore.

Boogs

 

[cboogsrun]

I think if Jones comes back it will be much like when Holyfield came back to fight again. Watching Holyfield get beat down was an embarassing sight, and Jones knows that his best days are gone and he doesnt want to hang around after his time is over like Holyfield did. Jones lost 2 fight back to back. In that last Tarver fight, Tarver was far ahead in points anyhow and would have won easily even without his "lucky" punch.

Ok your a fucking idiot. It was a 4 min fight stupid. And Jones won the first round easily and was on his way to winning the second. Fuckin retard

 

[cboogsrun]

Uh, I am the biggest Roy fan alive, but I have to tell those of you who obviously don't box -- Tarver's punch was NOT lucky. It was calculated against a non-juiced, tired, dehydrated Roy.

Let us not forget that Roy was not only off cycle, he had to then lose 25 pounds. So we can all guess where his natural test levels must have been. And as much as it pains me to say it, Jones apparently did juice. Boxing underground says anavar was his favorite choice. Regardless of what it was, one can tell by his physique in his prime that something was probably up. The 175 lb body we saw in the Tarver fights is what a natural Jones looks like.

All that aside, he was, and maybe still is, one of the top five most talented boxers out there. Those of you who say he fought bums...dead wrong. I notice that once a boxer loses, everyone jumps on the "He was all hype" bandwagon. I guarantee you that Roy Jones is every bit the real deal. You think otherwise, you don't know shit about boxing.

You can look over on the anabolic board to see if I know boxing. Five years ago I predicted Hopkins to be the best middleweight in history. I stand by that today, along with most everyone else now. I wagered $1800 on his fight against Trinidad, calling the KO, the over-under, the cards (who was ahead), and the win. I called both the Mosely/Forrest "upsets", the Tzu/Juda KO, the Mayorga/Forrest KOs, both times, winning money both times, and the Trinidad/Mayorga KO. Most professional boxing experts didn't get all those. I did, however, miss-call the Tyson/Lewis fight, but becasue of Tyson's unpredictability, I never bet on his fights. Anyway, the point is, those of you who are trashing Roy might want to take a look at what you actually KNOW about boxing. It is truly a sport for champions only.

I would agree with everything you said except in the 2nd fight Roy was tired. It was in the 2nd round.

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Props to you on the Golden Gloves championships -- especially in Pennsylvania. I know who you are now...lol. I have to concede the point that Roy had some lackluster opponents while he was champion. But who was there except Hopkins? Toney? There are mixed stories about why that never happened. BTW, knocking out Harding is enough to establish the fact that you throw a champion punch. Its like Holyfield being misconstrued as a non-powerful puncher. Wrong. He could hit, its just that those heavyweights like Mercer simply cannot be dropped by anything short of a cement truck. But in the light-heavies, Holyfield was a wrecking ball.

Who would you say is the most promising upcoming fighter? For me, and you are gonna laugh at this, but I'm gonna go with Ricky Hatton. I will say it right here -- and all of you can give me the "I told you so's" if time tells, but Hatton takes Tzu by KO late.

As good as Cotto is, Hatton would eat him alive in just a few rounds. So Tzu is the only logical choice for him, and he wins it late, making everyone, even the Brits, believers.

 

[mookie]

Props to you on the Golden Gloves championships -- especially in Pennsylvania. I know who you are now...lol. I have to concede the point that Roy had some lackluster opponents while he was champion. But who was there except Hopkins? Toney? There are mixed stories about why that never happened. BTW, knocking out Harding is enough to establish the fact that you throw a champion punch. Its like Holyfield being misconstrued as a non-powerful puncher. Wrong. He could hit, its just that those heavyweights like Mercer simply cannot be dropped by anything short of a cement truck. But in the light-heavies, Holyfield was a wrecking ball.

Who would you say is the most promising upcoming fighter? For me, and you are gonna laugh at this, but I'm gonna go with Ricky Hatton. I will say it right here -- and all of you can give me the "I told you so's" if time tells, but Hatton takes Tzu by KO late.

As good as Cotto is, Hatton would eat him alive in just a few rounds. So Tzu is the only logical choice for him, and he wins it late, making everyone, even the Brits, believers.

I like Hatton alot tough sob but Tszyu scares me it is going to be a interesting fight I tell you one thing someone is going to be bleeding with those two in the ring. I don't like Cotto I thought he was the real deal til I saw the Corley fight he outweighed him by 20lbs and still had alot of trouble with him. I like Jeff Lacy and Jermaine Taylor they both look good. When Gerald Mcclellan almost died against Nigel Benn it affected Jones alot he seemed to always take the mandatory challenge instead of taking the top guys. On his defense there wasn't many top guys out there. Met Roy a couple times in AC nice guy his biceps are huge.

 

[Fukkenshredded]

You make an interesting point about Jones with the Mcclellan incident and how it affected Roy. Jones has said more than once that he is reluctant to hit his opponents more than necessary. It is a garrish thing to say, but the Nunn/Mcclellan fight was one of the best, if not the best, fight I have ever seen. The tragic result was even more disturbing than the Chavez/Taylor championship defense.

 

[Bruce]

Uh, I am the biggest Roy fan alive, but I have to tell those of you who obviously don't box -- Tarver's punch was NOT lucky. It was calculated against a non-juiced, tired, dehydrated Roy.

Let us not forget that Roy was not only off cycle, he had to then lose 25 pounds. So we can all guess where his natural test levels must have been. And as much as it pains me to say it, Jones apparently did juice. Boxing underground says anavar was his favorite choice. Regardless of what it was, one can tell by his physique in his prime that something was probably up. The 175 lb body we saw in the Tarver fights is what a natural Jones looks like.

All that aside, he was, and maybe still is, one of the top five most talented boxers out there. Those of you who say he fought bums...dead wrong. I notice that once a boxer loses, everyone jumps on the "He was all hype" bandwagon. I guarantee you that Roy Jones is every bit the real deal. You think otherwise, you don't know shit about boxing.

You can look over on the anabolic board to see if I know boxing. Five years ago I predicted Hopkins to be the best middleweight in history. I stand by that today, along with most everyone else now. I wagered $1800 on his fight against Trinidad, calling the KO, the over-under, the cards (who was ahead), and the win. I called both the Mosely/Forrest "upsets", the Tzu/Juda KO, the Mayorga/Forrest KOs, both times, winning money both times, and the Trinidad/Mayorga KO. Most professional boxing experts didn't get all those. I did, however, miss-call the Tyson/Lewis fight, but becasue of Tyson's unpredictability, I never bet on his fights. Anyway, the point is, those of you who are trashing Roy might want to take a look at what you actually KNOW about boxing. It is truly a sport for champions only.

u and i see on the same page my friend, everyone roy ever fought was 25-0 or some great record, he just made them look like bums. there was a saying in the 90's a light heavyweight has as much a chance to beat jones as winning the lottery. Tarver would be destroyed by jones in a healthy body, even without juice.

 

[Bruce]

Oh I do know shit about boxing, both Tarver and Jones are counter punchers, so yeah he ment to throw the punch, but Taver is not a power puncher and if they fought again he'd never knock jones out in the second round, never.

SQ-

sorry boss but you just proved you don't know shit about boxing, tarver is known as a one punch knockout punchder in boxing, ask larry merchant jim lampley, hell just listen to his fight against jones they explain that. he isn't a power figher like tsyu but he is a one punch knockout guy and that is how he has dispatched all his opponents with one nasty punch.

 

[mookie]

You make an interesting point about Jones with the Mcclellan incident and how it affected Roy. Jones has said more than once that he is reluctant to hit his opponents more than necessary. It is a garrish thing to say, but the Nunn/Mcclellan fight was one of the best, if not the best, fight I have ever seen. The tragic result was even more disturbing than the Chavez/Taylor championship defense.

Mcclellan was my favorite fighter he was knocking everybody out in the 1st round he destroyed Julian Jackson twice the second time Jackson didn't even wonna be in the ring with him. Mcclellan beat Roy in the amateurs would have been a great fight in the pro's. I see Taylor every now and again about 2 years ago he came in my gym wonna to spar with Calvin Grove barely could talk it is a damn shame he was fast as Roy with his hands.

 

[Bruce]

my last comment for now is that i don't care who tarver was fighting if they got hit by that punch they were done for the night, a perfect punch not so lucky. watch roy jones whole career on dvd, if you want to preach. fukkenshredded knows his shit. roys chin is iron, okay he was weak. i have every one of his fights, in his career roy was known for not blocking, why cause he could take any punch, he took punches to get in better ones. he always took mandatory challengers and beat hopkins with a broken left hand, so he had no reason to go back to middle weight to fight the guy. and for the record winky wright can fight hopkins any time any place. he is the only fighter that any one has been ducking. he is boring, but nearly unbeatable.

 

[mookie]

sorry boss but you just proved you don't know shit about boxing, tarver is known as a one punch knockout punchder in boxing, ask larry merchant jim lampley, hell just listen to his fight against jones they explain that. he isn't a power figher like tsyu but he is a one punch knockout guy and that is how he has dispatched all his opponents with one nasty punch.

Not true he has a record of 22-3 with 18ko's but anytime he has fought anybody that was good it either want to a decision or he lost. Glen Johnson Roy Jones Eric Harding beat him he knocked Harding out the 2nd time and decisioned Reggie Johnson and Montell Griffith he has power but he is not known as a one punch knockout puncher.

 

[mookie]

my last comment for now is that i don't care who tarver was fighting if they got hit by that punch they were done for the night, a perfect punch not so lucky. watch roy jones whole career on dvd, if you want to preach. fukkenshredded knows his shit. roys chin is iron, okay he was weak. i have every one of his fights, in his career roy was known for not blocking, why cause he could take any punch, he took punches to get in better ones. he always took mandatory challengers and beat hopkins with a broken left hand, so he had no reason to go back to middle weight to fight the guy. and for the record winky wright can fight hopkins any time any place. he is the only fighter that any one has been ducking. he is boring, but nearly unbeatable.

Bro if you have every one of his fights why did you think he fought Holyfield.

 

[Bruce]

bro every one of his knockouts has been with one punch, sorry. i have a boxing dvd collection that lacks none. he is quite boring and yes he is a counter puncher, but he waits and unloads usually one big punch

 

[Bruce]

i don't understand your question

 

[Dirty V]

Bruce10 you need to watch that Tarver-Jones #1 fight again bro, Tarver out puched Jones, There are more than a few who watched the fight that feel Tarver got the better of it. This was a fight that after it was over, Jones was banged up and swollen. Tarver looked like he had not been hit at all. Bottom line Jone got Knocked the F**k out 2 times in a row!!!

 

[mookie]

i don't understand your question

You thought Roy fought Holyfield.

 

[mookie]

bro every one of his knockouts has been with one punch, sorry. i have a boxing dvd collection that lacks none. he is quite boring and yes he is a counter puncher, but he waits and unloads usually one big punch

Your sentence really did make sense your right he is a counter puncher one punch ko artist is Tyson in his prime Thomas Hearns, Gerald Mcclellan, Tarver is not someone going in to destroy you he breaks you down with his counter punching and finishes you off. Counter punchers are not ko atrist.

 

[Bruce]

i never said that roy fought holyfield, he fought ruiz who ended holyfield's career. if you like i can list every fight for you along with the figher's record and how roy dispatched of them, or tarver if you wish. i hate first fight with tarver because it is depressing, and there will always be those who feel a certain way. jones was weak and dumb from dropping 25 lbs of muscle, not fat, ask a doctor what that would do to you. its what made Roberto Duran say no mas. he was tough as they come. but tarver did not win. he should have been dominant and wasn't therefore he lost. also roy looks untouched i just watched it. tarver did nothing, if anything i could agree it was a draw.

 

[mookie]

i can get you a link if you want. he has so much power in boxing that it was hidden away quite nicely, what else was he using, anyone know. fuck bradd pitt he couldn't beat up the man who ended Holyfield and outweighed him by 50 pounds

What is this then.

 

[mookie]

If you do mean Ruiz he didn't end Holyfield's career Ruiz couldn't break an egg with his power. That's why Roy fought him.

 

[Bruce]

look bud i don't need to argue with you but to give you an idea here,
feb 18 97 Tarver ko in 2nd round vs. Garcia
4/29 tarver ko in round 3 vs. Jason Burrell
6/21 Tarver ko in 3rd vs. Tracy Barrios
8-12 Tarver ko in 1 vs. Shelby Gross
10/28 tko round 2
12-02 Tarver tko round 2
his next 8 fights he knockout out 7 of his opponents all before the 8th round, usually in the 3rd or 4th. need more names i have them. he lost to harding and then came back to knock him out in round five. and the tko's in early rounds mean he was throwing such a beating that the fight was stopped.

 

[Bruce]

really, no one will fight ruiz, he is unhittable because of his awkward style, and yes he ended holyfield there was no ko but, holyfield will got up from bowe numerous times he is a machine, the fact is after the hits he took in the fight with ruiz he took injuries that have ended his career. and roy fought him, cause holyfield was washed up, tyson ducked him, fact, he used to call tyson and say take the s of my chest. and it is also a fact that he really wanted lennox lewis, who retired rather than fighting him after the way he beat the shit out of a 240 pound man at 193. i hate tarver don't think he is great, and i don't think ruiz is that special but is hard to beat and people hate fighting him, just watch how much trouble James Toney will have with him. i like roy, mayweather, bernard sherely on heart, jermaine taylor, tzyu and hatton is my fav new fighter. holyfield is also the biggest juicer ever in boxing his lifting buddies are notorious for steroids.

 

[mookie]

I no about his early fights I went to a couple they where at the Blue Horizon he was fighting under Russell Peltz back then most world champions ko most of there early fights there all clubfighters he is a counter puncher not a one punchput ko artist just a fact. If you box you would know this. Counter punchers are not one punch ko artist.

 

[Bruce]

What is this then.

key words man who ended holyfields career

 

[Bruce]

bro thats fine we can get technical all day, the fact is when tarver is described by the boxing experts they say that he is a counter puncher who knocks people out with one calculated punch. if you don't agree its cool.

 

[mookie]

really, no one will fight ruiz, he is unhittable because of his awkward style, and yes he ended holyfield there was no ko but, holyfield will got up from bowe numerous times he is a machine, the fact is after the hits he took in the fight with ruiz he took injuries that have ended his career. and roy fought him, cause holyfield was washed up, tyson ducked him, fact, he used to call tyson and say take the s of my chest. and it is also a fact that he really wanted lennox lewis, who retired rather than fighting him after the way he beat the shit out of a 240 pound man at 193. i hate tarver don't think he is great, and i don't think ruiz is that special but is hard to beat and people hate fighting him, just watch how much trouble James Toney will have with him. i like roy, mayweather, bernard sherely on heart, jermaine taylor, tzyu and hatton is my fav new fighter. holyfield is also the biggest juicer ever in boxing his lifting buddies are notorious for steroids.

Well I finally agree on something with you Holyfield did juice but Ruiz is a bum everybody will have trouble fighting him cause all he does is hold. I loved when Roy beat his brains in he is by far the most boring fighter.

 

[Bruce]

i am gonna get the site that had the article that spawned all this, it talks about roy hiding his nandro test with ripped fuel bs. and vargas testing for winny, and holfield and his crew, as well as the men tyson met in prison that got him so big, all big names in the steroid community. i'll pm it to you when i find it, shit took forever to find on google, jones has some power in boxing they don't want that shit leaked. yeah ruiz is awkward but if the big guns can't knock him out or even dominate him you gotta respect him, u don't have to watch him. though i will watch toney, i hope he goes nuts like roy. only roy thrashed him thats all i am saying. remeber this though ken norton was very awkward though not super talent. he was just balanced and knew how to handle fighters. he beat ali's ass. he used to cross his hands like an x almost when he fought, and dude was so jacked, hence the name black hercules, no one wanted to get to close. ruiz reminds me of him, but i don't like to put them in the same sentence on principal.

 

[FlexManning]

tarver lost the first fight sorry, he should have been able to beat a dehydrated weak jones who dropped 30 pounds of muscle not fat, very bad idea. second fight was a lucky punch on a still weak roy. after losing to Glen Johnson tarver showed us that he was in the right place at the right time knocking out roy, johnson fought a still weak roy, but he did it decisively the first time. tarver is done, and is probably gonna end up knocked out by hopkins or jones. if he doesn't lose again to johnson. jones will be back. ray leonard got knocked out and beaten badly before his resurgence and fights with hearns and hagler, ali lost as well the best have to lose sometime. doesn't mean they don't come back and whip ass

Ah, c'mon. Tarver's a dick, but I thought he was robbed against Johnson. Even the Lederman card showed him winning pretty smoothly.

As far as the juicing in boxing angles, truth is that boxers are to my knowledge only tested around the date of a fight, and sometimes even that's iffy depending on deals behind the scenes. It would be pretty damn hard for some of these muscular heavyweights to keep lean mass otherwise due to the extreme cardio they must do. Obviously it's not just the heavyweights though, as others have been caught redhanded.

To illustrate how little many boxers care about the tests, Tyson often would smoke weed shortly before a fight although that's an automatic DQ (and in fact he lost a fight due to such).

As far as Jones, Ali did in fact lose and come back but it bears noting that he lost and came back and subsequently suffered progressively more severe brain damage as have Bowe, Holyfield, and a host of others. Had Ali hung up the gloves at Jones' age he might be able to speak.

 

[Bruce]

Ah, c'mon. Tarver's a dick, but I thought he was robbed against Johnson. Even the Lederman card showed him winning pretty smoothly.

As far as the juicing in boxing angles, truth is that boxers are to my knowledge only tested around the date of a fight, and sometimes even that's iffy depending on deals behind the scenes. It would be pretty damn hard for some of these muscular heavyweights to keep lean mass otherwise due to the extreme cardio they must do. Obviously it's not just the heavyweights though, as others have been caught redhanded.

To illustrate how little many boxers care about the tests, Tyson often would smoke weed shortly before a fight although that's an automatic DQ (and in fact he lost a fight due to such).

As far as Jones, Ali did in fact lose and come back but it bears noting that he lost and came back and subsequently suffered progressively more severe brain damage as have Bowe, Holyfield, and a host of others. Had Ali hung up the gloves at Jones' age he might be able to speak.

no doubt flexmanning, but i think jones will come back more like sugar ray, he got pummeled and his career was over, then he came back with a surgence and took on hearns than hagler, although in the way end he was embarassed again by losing to no names. as i said and you would agree, he has time to juice now and the testing won't be till the fight, he knows how to manipulate and he'll be back var, deca, and all to woop ass

 

[SPOONY LUV]

you mean one of the top pro athletes to ever walk the planet used steroids in the 21st century????WoW i'm amazed...............

Look--for all you guys out their that think steroids are just for building muscle or gaining weight....Stop being so niave'.....pro ping pong players have tested positive for steroids...John McInrow said he used steroids...Now with that in mind instead of being amazing that some PROS use steroids, just believe almost every pro in all most every pro sport uses them and you will then be aware of the "dirty little secret" that people have been talking about for decades....Welcome to the club of knowledge!!!

 

[Bruce]

you mean one of the top pro athletes to ever walk the planet used steroids in the 21st century????WoW i'm amazed...............

Look--for all you guys out their that think steroids are just for building muscle or gaining weight....Stop being so niave'.....pro ping pong players have tested positive for steroids...John McInrow said he used steroids...Now with that in mind instead of being amazing that some PROS use steroids, just believe almost every pro in all most every pro sport uses them and you will then be aware of the "dirty little secret" that people have been talking about for decades....Welcome to the club of knowledge!!!

thanks man, we understand this, me and some other guys are big boxing fans especially roy and wondered his preferences and we like to talk boxing. i think we understand, i wrote a post about mcenroe if you look.